The Post-Draft Thread (Grade the Wiz)

Post #1 » by **pineappleheadindc** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:10 am

OK - we'll lock up the pre-draft thread and use this one for analysis and grading of EG and the Wizards. Grades should NOT include and FA action.

Discuss.

tchmelik · Post #2 » by **tchmelik** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:14 am

With the way people are talking about this draft, it would seem as if EG passed up the reincarnation of MJ himself.

First off most mid to late first rounders never even contributed their first year in the league, they are first and foremost projects.

Second of all only top five picks usually contribute immediately meaning being a starter or at least a rotation player (NY outperformed all expectations I could have had for him)

Third, most second rounders are out of the league by the 2nd or 3rd year, so trading a second rounder for cash is all that uncommon, Agent Zero (Who BTW fell out of the first round, I don't actually think he was truly a second round pick in the purest since) and Michael Redd our once in a lifetime anomalies of the second round.

So this doom and gloom is unneeded, what did you expect EG to do? Draft a hall of famer right off bat. Some people on this board have their heads up their butts, their searching for something that just can't be found.

The wizards year will be next year when they have three expiring contracts (Daniels, Etan, and Haywood), thats when a deal can get done, there is no magical trade waiting around the corner fro the wizards they just dont have the assets right now. And Walker was not the magic piece to the puzzle of an NBA championship.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #3 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:16 am

EG it's as if Millsap's not better than Pecherov in your eyes. Passing on Hendrix at #47 was really bad.

Giving Walker to the Celtics for cash is incomprehensible.

One incredibly bad draft.

I would have selected F minus if it were an option.

Post #4 » by **pineappleheadindc** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:17 am

I should add this - if you're one of the guys giving EG an "F", please respond here and tell the board what you would have done. Am interested to see if there is a clear board concensus.

Thanks in advance.

queridiculo · Post #5 » by **queridiculo** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:19 am

We needed energy and athleticism off the bench and we got..... NOTHING.

Zip, nada, zilch.

I'm intrigued by McGee, don't get me wrong, but at the end of the day that cat isn't going to play a lick in the '09 season.

What a disappointment, the Walker deal was the kind of kick in the teeth that's hard to recover from. What a sad sad day.

JWizmentality · Post #6 » by **JWizmentality** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:19 am

Hold the phone, I was just going to bed and decided to give RealGM one last click. We traded Walker for cash?!?!? Are you serious???

closg00 · Post #7 » by **closg00** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:20 am

We needed to shore-up the bench with this draft and provide the trio with some relief from having to play 40+ minutes a night. EJ already does not know how to use bigs effectively, now he has a bench full of them. No help in the middle, No back-up PG. Grade F

Arenas4Three · Post #8 » by **Arenas4Three** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:20 am

We could of drafted someone better than McGee, who will be a project pick. We're trying to win NOW...especially if Gil and AJ resign. McGee, from what i keep on hearing, is not ready yet to be reliable and EJ hardly gives rookies minutes. If we wanted to win, we could of gone after Courtney Lee, Darrell Arthur, Dorsey, Chalmers, whoever is considered a "project".

We get an F. And Walker has great potential if he can stay healthy. Dude can beast it up. And we ship him away.

Post #9 » by **pineappleheadindc** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:20 am

JWizmentality wrote:Hold the phone, I was just going to bed and decided to give RealGM one last click. We traded Walker for cash?!?!? Are you serious???

Yes. True. To the Cs.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #10 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:20 am

tchmelik wrote:With the way people are talking about this draft, it would seem as if EG passed up the reincarnation of MJ himself.

First off most mid to late first rounders never even contributed their first year in the league, they are first and foremost projects.

Second of all only top five picks usually contribute immediately meaning being a starter or at least a rotation player (NY outperformed all expectations I could have had for him)

Third, most second rounders are out of the league by the 2nd or 3rd year, so trading a second rounder for cash is all that uncommon, Agent Zero (Who BTW fell out of the first round, I don't actually think he was truly a second round pick in the purest since) and Michael Redd our once in a lifetime anomalies of the second round.

So this doom and gloom is unneeded, what did you expect EG to do? Draft a hall of famer right off bat. Some people on this board have their heads up their butts, their searching for something that just can't be found.

The wizards year will be next year when they have three expiring contracts (Daniels, Etan, and Haywood), thats when a deal can get done, there is no magical trade waiting around the corner fro the wizards they just dont have the assets right now. And Walker was not the magic piece to the puzzle of an NBA championship.

I expect him to look at what Pritchard and Morey do, and that is draft guys based on performance derived by a state of the art set of objective measures.

I expect him to learn from his mistake last year, not having a defensive or third PG; or from his mistake of two years back--and that is to draft a ready player like Millsap instead of a project, like Pecherov.

I expect Grunfeld to insist on a top-notch character pick, instead of a guy who's already been called a coach killer. And a soft one at that.

EG flat out stunk tonight.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #11 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:22 am

pineappleheadindc wrote:I should add this - if you're one of the guys giving EG an "F", please respond here and tell the board what you would have done. Am interested to see if there is a clear board concensus.

Thanks in advance.

Chalmers in round one and Hendrix and round 2 and I'd have gotten an A+ grade.

Post #12 » by **pineappleheadindc** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:23 am

BTW - if I were EG, I may have considered Arthur with our first and best PG/combo G I could find with the second round pick.

FreeBalling · Post #13 » by **FreeBalling** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:23 am

EG Face on the Walker trade.

fugop · Post #14 » by **fugop** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:24 am

I voted D. I was lukewarm on McGee, not enthusiastic, but understanding. He's incredibly long. But trading Walker for cash killed the night. We should have just kept Walker. It worries me that Gilbert's deal is too big, and we've broken the bank.

Halcyon · Post #15 » by **Halcyon** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:24 am

My initial reaction was to give them an F, for picking McGee and trading away Walker for cash. However upon giving this some thought, he can probably be a more athletic Blatche. Now this is PURELY from watch some youtube clips, reading some analysis, nothing more. But I feel like at #18 you can't do much better than a guy like that; either it's a guy with the most talent, or the "safest" pick. Either way you'll probably only end up with a backup for the first few years, since our starters are set in stone.

I'll give them a D for now.

jivelikenice · Post #16 » by **jivelikenice** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:25 am

I would have gone Darrell Arthur or JJ Hickson. Either could can come in and be an immediate contributor to this team. I really don't understand the mentality of the Wizards. They draft and act as if they're coming off a title and have no holes to fill.

IF they were going to go upside, then why not gamble on a true big man in DeAndre Jordan instead of another skinny 7 footer.

Here's my preference of who I'd taken at that spot:
1. D. Arthur
2. JJ Hickson- Would have an immediate impact as a rugged PF who could develop into a double double guy....
3. D. Greene (Incredible upside, fills a hole as a backup 3 who can play some 4....And we DO need a backup 3 since Butler always misses some games)
4. DeAndre Jordan

JWizmentality · Post #17 » by **JWizmentality** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:26 am

Wow, don't mind our first pick but EG totally blew my mind with that trade. Holy Cow, I can't defend him on that one. That's a brain fart of EPIC proportions. Only picking up Brand in the offseason will get me excited about Wizards bball this season. I'm not even gonna bother extending my league pass.

What the hell
Fire EJ!!!

jivelikenice · Post #18 » by **jivelikenice** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:27 am

Halcyon wrote:My initial reaction was to give them an F, for picking McGee and trading away Walker for cash. However upon giving this some thought, he can probably be a more athletic Blatche. Now this is PURELY from watch some youtube clips, reading some analysis, nothing more. But I feel like at #18 you can't do much better than a guy like that; either it's a guy with the most talent, or the "safest" pick. Either way you'll probably only end up with a backup for the first few years, since our starters are set in stone.

I'll give them a D for now.

But why not take a safe pick?? Wouldn't you have Rondo, Boone, or Millisap over Pech? Stop gambling and get some steady players Ernie!!!

Wizards2Lottery · Post #19 » by **Wizards2Lottery** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:28 am

I personally don't care. A rookie wasn't going to take us out of the 1rst round,

This year is all about this pathetic coaching staff getting us out of the first round. I am not interested in anything else.

This year is ECF or bust. And by bust I mean bust for Eddie Jordan. McGee is irrelevant for next year.

Halcyon · Post #20 » by **Halcyon** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:29 am

None of the guys you listed are "safe picks." Arthur is an undersized 4 who fouls a lot, Hickson is pretty damn raw himself, and Jordan is a terrible basketball player with only athletic skills, probably 10 times more raw than McGee. With that said, I would have liked a Donte Grene pick personally due to his upside, but he's not a safe pick either.

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