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Hollinger's latest take on the Wiz 

Post#1 » by fishercob » Thu Jul 3, 2008 11:12 pm

John Hollinger wrote:Are the Wizards any better off by re-signing their stars?

In three seasons with the trio of Arenas, Antawn Jamison and Caron Butler, the Wizards have won 43, 41 and 42 games and haven't made it past the first round of the playoffs. The three players are 26, 28 and 32, respectively, so it seems likely that we've seen about the best we're going to get from them. They're an average team, and without an infusion of vastly better players around them, they'll keep being an average team.

Yet instead of blowing that trio up, the Wizards took a Bob-Beamonesque leap of faith this week. First they extended Jamison for four years and $50 million, and then they offered Arenas a monstrous six-year, $127 million package. Given that Arenas is coming off a major knee injury that kept him sidelined nearly all of last season and is heavily dependant on his quickness to be an elite scorer, his offer in particular appears to be a reach.

Washington is committing to these two for another half-decade and, in the process, tying up most of its salary flexibility. If either's numbers plummet, his contract will make him nigh untradeable, except in exchange for somebody else's flotsam. For better or for worse, the Wizards are stuck with these guys.

The Wizards' alternate reality was letting both go in free agency and using what would have been a big chunk of cap space to try to remake the team around Butler -- their best player this past season and the least expensive of the three going forward -- and whomever else they could have signed. At worst, it seems they would have come away with Maggette, and their cap situation would have been far better over the next five seasons -- in fact, they might have been able to get into the LeBron bidding in 2010; James recently named Washington, D.C., as one of his favorite cities.

One can take a glass-half-full approach and say the likes of Andray Blatche (22), Nick Young (22), Oleksiy Pecherov (23) and JaVale McGee (20) give the Wizards hope that help is on the way for their high-scoring trio. On the other hand, almost every team in the league can make the "maybe our young guys will turn out to be awesome" argument, and in Washington's case, Blatche is the only one of the four who was any good last season.

If Arenas is healthy, and the kids are better, and the team improves on defense, and none of the veterans fall off … then maybe the Wizards will push into the mid- to high 40s in wins and grab a No. 3 or No. 4 seed in the East. Is that the upside they're investing close to $180 million in over the next half-decade? It sure seems to me the fear of losing out on big-name stars caused Washington to miss out on a fantastic opportunity to remake its roster.



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John,
I always enjoy your analysis. As a Wizards fan, I find your take on their offseason both ironic and encouraging.

You boldly predicted a precipitous dropoff in Caron Butler's production before last season; now you suggest rebuilding around him. You were wrong about Caron last year, and I think you're wrong about the Wizards now.

While Gilbert was offered the max, it's still very unclear as to how much he'll sign for. Signs point to him leaving ownership with some salary flexibility for future acquisitions.

They've been horribly unlucky with injuries the past two seasons. With a season of relatively good health (and the return of Etan Thomas, who is a serviceable backup center), there's reason to believe they'll eclipse 50 wins. You know they'll be among the league's elite in offensive efficiency (they always have been when healthy under Eddie Jordan). At the halfway point last year, they were above average in defensive efficiency -- only to have a catastrophic fall-off when they team was besieged by further injuries. When healthy (again, the key) the roster is pretty deep; they can void running their starters into the ground.

While re-signing Arenas and Jamison will exclude the Wizards from the free agency party of the 2010 offseason, they will be in a position to make a big trade sometime between a year from now and the subsequent trade deadline. They'll have sizable expiring contracts (Antonio Daniels, Etan Thomas, and a bevy of young, cheap players with potential (Blatche, Young, McGee, Pecherov) that they'll be able to combine to bring in another key piece. It's obviously too early to tell who will be on the market, but we know teams will be looking to either unload veterans to get under the cap, or get something in return for looming free agents who are likely to leave (perhaps Kirilenko, Jermaine O'neal, etc.)

John, keep up the good fight. Perhaps one day before too long, the media will start recognizing offensive and defensive efficiency and stop relying on metrics like PPG that don't account for pace.

In the meantime, just as Caron surprised you this year, prepare to be surprised by the Wizards success over the next couple of seasons.

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Re: Hollinger's latest take on the Wiz 

Post#2 » by fugop » Thu Jul 3, 2008 11:24 pm

Very nice response, Fisher. It's a bit glass half full, but well-grounded nonetheless. We're left hoping for health from people with unspectacular histories on the front, but it looks like 2008-2009 will be hope's year.
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Re: Hollinger's latest take on the Wiz 

Post#3 » by Wizards2Lottery » Thu Jul 3, 2008 11:37 pm

Any team with Jamison logging 35+ minutes a night at the 4 position is losing in the first round. Couple that with a coach who has no clue on how to use tall players (see Jarvis Hayes at the 4 and Darius Songaila at the 5), this team is destined for mediocrity.

Its the perfect mismatch of bad defenders + a coach who doesn't understand or emphasize defense. No team with hopes for future success would have given an aging and soft undersized PF a 50 million contract.
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Re: Hollinger's latest take on the Wiz 

Post#4 » by Ruzious » Thu Jul 3, 2008 11:46 pm

Good job, Fisher. I think it's intellectually dishonest of him to not point out the injuries as being a cause for their disappointing records - even though.... they exceeded his prediction from last year - despite the injuries! I think he's not pointing out the injuries simply because of his poor track record - which detracts from his credibility. When people go that route, they might have good points, but then you go to the credibility issue and think - the guy is full of shyte, instead of considering his points.
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Re: Hollinger's latest take on the Wiz 

Post#5 » by mhd » Fri Jul 4, 2008 12:11 am

He's an idiot. He predicted we'd be last in the southeast last year and finish 13th in the east.
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Re: Hollinger's latest take on the Wiz 

Post#6 » by miller31time » Fri Jul 4, 2008 12:15 am

Good response, Fish.

I do agree with fugop in the sense that assuming we're going to be remotely healthy for an entire season is unwise. Two of our "Big 3" are injury-prone, and the other one, despite a good track record, is over 30 and in risk of injury more so than his earlier years where he was the definition of health.

I think that we can't be taken serious as an improving defensive team until we ditch our "protect the paint at all costs" strategy. Giving up an NBA-All-Time high in 3pters allowed and 3pt percentage just leaves the worst kind of taste in my mouth (coupled with unimpressive interior defense ((with the exception of Haywood))-- the supposed backbone of our defensive scheme).

However, I think that my mind will be at ease for this coming season IF Andray Blatche can show me that he has taken his game to a 'nother level. If he can come off the bench and produce per-minute numbers similar to that of a starting-caliber player AND give us consistent and solid effort on defense, then I really will have reason to think that we can take that next step.

(I'd also like to see a concerted effort to make use of his incredible athleticism and frame, in Nick Young on the defensive end).
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Re: Hollinger's latest take on the Wiz 

Post#7 » by Rafael122 » Fri Jul 4, 2008 12:23 am

So basically this article in a nutshell: you don't resign Arenas and Jamison, you MIGHT get Maggette and you MIGHT get Lebron b/c he mentioned DC as one of his favorite cities.

Too big of a risk.
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Re: Hollinger's latest take on the Wiz 

Post#8 » by fishercob » Fri Jul 4, 2008 1:56 am

Rafael122 wrote:So basically this article in a nutshell: you don't resign Arenas and Jamison, you MIGHT get Maggette and you MIGHT get Lebron b/c he mentioned DC as one of his favorite cities.

Too big of a risk.


LOL, Raf! Much more succinct than my response and just as convincing.
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Re: Hollinger's latest take on the Wiz 

Post#9 » by Ruzious » Fri Jul 4, 2008 2:32 am

Rafael122 wrote:So basically this article in a nutshell: you don't resign Arenas and Jamison, you MIGHT get Maggette and you MIGHT get Lebron b/c he mentioned DC as one of his favorite cities.

Too big of a risk.

And while Maggette is a nice player, he wouldn't fill any need on the Wiz. With his plan, we'd have nothing at the point and zero offense up front. We would be a 20 - 30 win team with no direction.
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Re: Hollinger's latest take on the Wiz 

Post#10 » by Dat2U » Fri Jul 4, 2008 3:07 am

While I agree that the Wizards maintaining status quo this offseason isn't ideal, I don't think Jamison, and moreso a healthy Arenas is the problem.

It's the supporting cast that's holding us back and I'd even throw the coaching staff in there as well.

Outside of Butler (who's injury prone) and Haywood, the supporting cast just doesn't impress me.

Stevenson is a respectable role player, but probably not the type of SG that starts for an elite team. Blatche has nights where he looks like the real deal, but often dissapears or spends a great deal of time in foul trouble. Songaila & AD are hardworking vets and good guys to have in the locker room, but on the court they are uninspiring, limited role players who really don't help the team win games, rather they play not to lose games.

There's hope that Blatche & maybe Nick will develop into key contributors that can be relied upon on a nightly basis. Pech, McGuire & McGee are probably more like roster filler at this point than guys who can step in and contribute.

This team needs a dose of athleticism. One thing I noticed without Gil, we are really a slow and unathletic team.

Add into the mix a coaching staff that relies heavily on small ball, struggles at in-game management and employs a questionable defensive philosophy and you have multiple reasons why we can't break beyond this 40-45 win threshold.

But having a healthy Gil, along with Caron & Jamison means we are one or two pieces away from really making a difference. A guy who can create his own shot and is capable of 15-20 ppg per night with the ability to defend 2/3s & a legit PF capable of getting 10 boards per night would be ideal and put this team at possibly an elite level.

Oh, and a new coaching staff would be nice too...
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Re: Hollinger's latest take on the Wiz 

Post#11 » by GB » Fri Jul 4, 2008 3:10 am

In three seasons with the trio of Arenas, Antawn Jamison and Caron Butler, the Wizards have won 43, 41 and 42 games and haven't made it past the first round of the playoffs. The three players are 26, 28 and 32, respectively, so it seems likely that we've seen about the best we're going to get from them. They're an average team, and without an infusion of vastly better players around them, they'll keep being an average team.


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Re: Hollinger's latest take on the Wiz 

Post#12 » by miller31time » Fri Jul 4, 2008 3:16 am

GB wrote:
In three seasons with the trio of Arenas, Antawn Jamison and Caron Butler, the Wizards have won 43, 41 and 42 games and haven't made it past the first round of the playoffs. The three players are 26, 28 and 32, respectively, so it seems likely that we've seen about the best we're going to get from them. They're an average team, and without an infusion of vastly better players around them, they'll keep being an average team.


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Re: Hollinger's latest take on the Wiz 

Post#13 » by GB » Fri Jul 4, 2008 3:19 am

miller31time wrote:
GB wrote:
In three seasons with the trio of Arenas, Antawn Jamison and Caron Butler, the Wizards have won 43, 41 and 42 games and haven't made it past the first round of the playoffs. The three players are 26, 28 and 32, respectively, so it seems likely that we've seen about the best we're going to get from them. They're an average team, and without an infusion of vastly better players around them, they'll keep being an average team.


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Sometimes, answers aren't always cut and dry, yes or no, true or false. It's people who need instant gratification or people who have ulterior motives that accept yes/no answers under all circumstances.


Lets simplify it: With Gil in the lineup and no major injuries, are the Wizards 10 games better than last season?
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Re: Hollinger's latest take on the Wiz 

Post#14 » by miller31time » Fri Jul 4, 2008 3:22 am

GB wrote:Lets simplify it: With Gil in the lineup and no major injuries, are the Wizards 10 games better than last season?


I'd say about 8-10 games, yes.

Assuming health, I believe we're about a 50-win team. If the incredible happens (meaning none of our big three miss any games -- a virtual impossibility for any NBA team), then we probably win about 53-56.
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Post#15 » by Dat2U » Fri Jul 4, 2008 3:25 am

Oh, and I don't like Hollinger's plan at all.

I looked at possible alternatives in case we lost Gil & Jamison this offseason.

1. Try to sign Monta Ellis. He IMO was the only guy in FA that could come close to replacing what we'd lose in Gil. More of mid-range game than a long range one, but can get to the rack with ease and has potential as a lead guard like Gil was for us. It probably would have taken the max to get him here and even then, the Warriors may have matched.

2. Made a play for Carmelo using Caron as bait. Carmelo is more of a #1 scoring option than Caron and seems to not be as fragile. Plus he's years younger.

3. Go after Charlie Villanueva as a replacement for Jamison. Younger, cheaper not nearly as mature but offensively he's comparable to Antwan. Has good range. Decent rebounder too. Milwaukee seems willing to basically give him away.

4. Used this year's draft pick to add Kyle Lowry and trade down. I just love his toughness and ability to defend. He's better than any player we could have drafted at #18.

PF Villanueva > Hendrix
SF C. Anthony > McGuire
C Haywood > Blatche
SG Stevenson > Giddens
PG M. Ellis > Lowry

That would be a best case scenario lineup in my eyes had we choose the nuclear option. Frankly, I'm glad EG resigned Gil & Jamison, because I doubt he would have tried to remake the team like this. But in an ideal world, I think the squad above could have competed and done relatively well, and would have been far below the tax threshold.
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Re: Hollinger's latest take on the Wiz 

Post#16 » by GB » Fri Jul 4, 2008 3:32 am

miller31time wrote:
GB wrote:Lets simplify it: With Gil in the lineup and no major injuries, are the Wizards 10 games better than last season?


I'd say about 8-10 games, yes.

Assuming health, I believe we're about a 50-win team. If the incredible happens (meaning none of our big three miss any games -- a virtual impossibility for any NBA team), then we probably win about 53-56.


I'd agree, though I think you'd have to have another eastern conference team or two collapse to get anywhere near 55 wins.

Lets talk playoffs: Boston will be tough, Detroit will be tough...any team with LeBron on it is automatically tough...he hasn't had a proper sidekick yet, but no one takes his teams out easily. Thats just a fact.

Doesn't that leave you with the fourth seed? Orlando is up and coming, and I believe that if O'Neal is healthy (we're assuming that for your guys, remember) that Toronto will be tough too.

What exactly is your off-season spending giving you besides regular season beauty?
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Post#17 » by miller31time » Fri Jul 4, 2008 3:41 am

GB wrote:
miller31time wrote:
GB wrote:Lets simplify it: With Gil in the lineup and no major injuries, are the Wizards 10 games better than last season?


I'd say about 8-10 games, yes.

Assuming health, I believe we're about a 50-win team. If the incredible happens (meaning none of our big three miss any games -- a virtual impossibility for any NBA team), then we probably win about 53-56.


I'd agree, though I think you'd have to have another eastern conference team or two collapse to get anywhere near 55 wins.

Lets talk playoffs: Boston will be tough, Detroit will be tough...any team with LeBron on it is automatically tough...he hasn't had a proper sidekick yet, but no one takes his teams out easily. Thats just a fact.

Doesn't that leave you with the fourth seed? Orlando is up and coming, and I believe that if O'Neal is healthy (we're assuming that for your guys, remember) that Toronto will be tough too.

What exactly is your off-season spending giving you besides regular season beauty?


Here is what the plan is -- keep the core intact until the right move is available. Do NOT blow up the team for a shot in the dark at a top-tier signing because you're gambling on something that, in all likelihood, just won't happen.

How are championship teams made? Through free agency? Nope. Through the draft? Sometimes (rarely). Through trades? Ding ding ding! The Pistons kept their core together and traded for the missing piece in Rasheed Wallace. The Lakers kept their core together and traded for the missing piece in Gasol. The Celtics decided to use their young talent to garner the interest of two major trades - Garnett and Allen. The Nets made the move to get Kidd and they made the Finals in a few consecutive years.

Championship-caliber teams are built through trades -- with a team keeping their talent and waiting for the opportune moment and striking. We'll have Daniels and Etan Thomas both being expirings in a year or so. We'll also have Nick Young and Andray Blatche as promising young guns. There will be a team that's not happy with their star and want to blow it up. Then the Wizards swoop in.
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Re: Hollinger's latest take on the Wiz 

Post#18 » by GB » Fri Jul 4, 2008 3:46 am

miller31time wrote:Here is what the plan is -- keep the core intact until the right move is available. Do NOT blow up the team for a shot in the dark at a top-tier signing because you're gambling on something that, in all likelihood, just won't happen.


Your tradeable pieces don't seem equal to the major piece that the Celts gave up...

Plus...isn't that as big a stab in the dark as waiting to sign someone?
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Re: Hollinger's latest take on the Wiz 

Post#19 » by miller31time » Fri Jul 4, 2008 3:54 am

GB wrote:Your tradeable pieces don't seem equal to the major piece that the Celts gave up...

Plus...isn't that as big a stab in the dark as waiting to sign someone?


Nope, but they are better than the tradable pieces that New Jersey gave to get Kidd, that the Nuggets gave to get Iverson, that the Pistons gave to get Wallace, that the Lakers gave to get Gasol, etc.

It's not a big stab because it happens all the time to the teams with the right pieces, whereas big-time free agent signings are very, very rare. The only one that really, truly changed a franchise (off the top of my head) was Steve Nash to Phoenix. But look at the Suns -- they haven't even made it to the Finals. In terms of how championship teams are built, it's through keeping your talent and making a key trade(s). It's just that simple.
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Re: Hollinger's latest take on the Wiz 

Post#20 » by closg00 » Fri Jul 4, 2008 6:44 am

I had to look up Bob-Beamon.

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