The Official Start Nick, Bench DeSuck Thread

newslowsad · Post #1 » by **newslowsad** » Sat Dec 6, 2008 1:12 am

'Nuff said.

yungal07 · Post #2 » by **yungal07** » Sat Dec 6, 2008 1:25 am

Wait, I have something to add...well...errr....nope. Nevermind. You said all that needed to be said.

JWizmentality · Post #3 » by **JWizmentality** » Sat Dec 6, 2008 1:36 am

I've seen this movie before. N1 balls in the 1st half, gets benched in the 3rd to allow the other team to build up a huge lead before inserting him back in.

newslowsad · Post #4 » by **newslowsad** » Sat Dec 6, 2008 1:47 am

DeShawn: 21 minutes, 1-3 fg, 3 pts
Nick: 11 minutes, 4-6 fg, 9 pts

And DeShawn just missed three straight free throws lol.

yungal07 · Post #5 » by **yungal07** » Sat Dec 6, 2008 1:54 am

It's getting embarrassing now. If I were Deshawn, I'd approach Tapscott and tell him to bench me. I have never seen a player so bad get so many minutes. But let's not only blame Deshawn. He had Eddie Jordan wrapped around his finger, and it looks like the same with Tapscott.

There is no reason why he should be getting more than 20 mpg. And even that's a stretch.

TheBigThree · Post #6 » by **TheBigThree** » Sat Dec 6, 2008 1:54 am

Benching isn't even enough. The guy isn't even good enough to be in the L.

Shanghai Kid · Post #7 » by **Shanghai Kid** » Sat Dec 6, 2008 1:58 am

It's embarassing because the Wiz actually have a player behind him who looks like he could actually put up good numbers with the same minutes and touches.

Post #8 » by **LyricalRico** » Sat Dec 6, 2008 2:35 am

yungal07 wrote:It's getting embarrassing now. If I were Deshawn, I'd approach Tapscott and tell him to bench me. I have never seen a player so bad get so many minutes. But let's not only blame Deshawn. He had Eddie Jordan wrapped around his finger, and it looks like the same with Tapscott.

There is no reason why he should be getting more than 20 mpg. And even that's a stretch.

I wonder how much his streak of games started has to do with it.

But I totally agree - it's time to bench him. Maybe that will light a fire under him. And even if it doesn't, Nick Young is clearly the better player and in any meritocracy (which is what sports is supposed to be) he'd be the clear starter.

queridiculo · Post #9 » by **queridiculo** » Sat Dec 6, 2008 2:36 am

Kind of fitting that his 3 straight missed free throws are the difference in the game.

It's time Deshawn rides the pine, his lack of production on the offensive side no longer justifies his upside as defender.

pancakes3 · Post #10 » by **pancakes3** » Sat Dec 6, 2008 2:56 am

if by bench, you mean tar and feather, sign me up.

consider it a boon that he got FT attempts at all. notice that those were his only attempts, which means again that offensively he's only taking jumpers and not attacking the rim.

ps, construe mcgee's 9 minutes and DB's 7 minutes as coaching adjustment or a charade to create the illusion that our young guys are getting more minutes?

Post #11 » by **nate33** » Sat Dec 6, 2008 3:01 am

This is really getting ridiculous now. Deshawn Stevenson is playing incomprehensibly bad basketball. If you take away the one fluke game against NJ, he'd be shooting 30% from the field. He is currently shooting 61% from the FT line. For God's sake, get him out of there!

Post #12 » by **LyricalRico** » Sat Dec 6, 2008 3:06 am

pancakes3 wrote:ps, construe mcgee's 9 minutes and DB's 7 minutes as coaching adjustment or a charade to create the illusion that our young guys are getting more minutes?

How can McGee only getting 9 minutes show that the young guys are getting MORE minutes?

IMO it's a function of McGee only being able to do two things: block shots and catch alley-oops. When he's not doing those things he's not very good. It's also a function of Daniels finally being healthy. If Taps keeps with his 8 + 2 rotation, McGee is going to see his time limited.

The teams best lineup is...

Blatche
Jamison
Butler
Young
Daniels

...and the next 3 guys getting time are...

Songaila
McGuire
Stevenson

If Taps went with that at his core 8, we'd probably see McGee end up with around 10 mpg.

Post #13 » by **nate33** » Sat Dec 6, 2008 3:16 am

LyricalRico wrote:
pancakes3 wrote:ps, construe mcgee's 9 minutes and DB's 7 minutes as coaching adjustment or a charade to create the illusion that our young guys are getting more minutes?

How can McGee only getting 9 minutes show that the young guys are getting MORE minutes?

IMO it's a function of McGee only being able to do two things: block shots and catch alley-oops. When he's not doing those things he's not very good. It's also a function of Daniels finally being healthy. If Taps keeps with his 8 + 2 rotation, McGee is going to see his time limited.

The teams best lineup is...

Blatche
Jamison
Butler
Young
Daniels

...and the next 3 guys getting time are...

Songaila
McGuire
Stevenson

If Taps went with that at his core 8, we'd probably see McGee end up with around 10 mpg.

I disagree. McGee may not be in the "8", but he certainly will be among the 2 in the +2. Tapscott has demonstrated a reluctance to put Songaila at center. It's worked out for him so far. We've had two blowout wins and 2 tough losses against good teams, plus one blowout loss against a terrible matchup (Orlando). I don't see Tapscott reverting to small ball anytime soon.

FreeBalling · Post #14 » by **FreeBalling** » Sat Dec 6, 2008 3:20 am

I'm all in, sit DS.

I would bring him off the bench and make him earn his starting spot back. Time for the pine.

Donkey McDonkerton · Post #15 » by **Donkey McDonkerton** » Sat Dec 6, 2008 3:34 am

TRUE, CHECK DA SIG

pancakes3 · Post #16 » by **pancakes3** » Sat Dec 6, 2008 3:41 am

i said illusion of McGee getting more minutes, as in... we can rationalize that ET wants mcgee to get more minutes by starting him, but the game dictated otherwise and so he only ended up with 9 mins. i personally don't agree with that, but depending on what color glasses you're wearing, you can rationalize it as such.

it's a real shame that McGee isn't fitting in the rotation at all especially with the slow and steady betterment of Songaila at PF/C. Darius is really a kind of midget, less talented Brad Miller out there, and bless his heart, he's playing acceptably. Young is clearly an upgrade of DS at sg, and we should waste no more time in hoping DS catches fire, because as history has proven, even if DS does catch fire, he'll still suck.

Next year between haywood, mcgee, blatche, jamison, and songaila (5 players and only 96 minutes between them) somebody has to go. as for right now, i'm hoping it's jamison sliding down to SF, and we officially start the Buter-Guard project even if it means another season of 20mpg for NY.

newslowsad · Post #17 » by **newslowsad** » Sat Dec 6, 2008 3:49 am

Donkey McDonkerton wrote:TRUE, CHECK DA SIG

Done and done.

Donkey McDonkerton · Post #18 » by **Donkey McDonkerton** » Sat Dec 6, 2008 4:19 am

newslowsad wrote:
Donkey McDonkerton wrote:TRUE, CHECK DA SIG

Done and done.

Kanyewest · Post #19 » by **Kanyewest** » Sat Dec 6, 2008 6:06 am

Bynum had 8 points in the first 5 minutes of the game against McGee and would have had 10 if it wasn't for a nice block by Antawn Jamison. McGee needs to add more bulk and improve his overall technique on interior defense. Darius Songalia out of all people held his own against Bynum.

I think Stevenson needs to be benched. Heck, he may need to take a few weeks off because of all the games he's played in a row. He doesn't look like the same player that he was 2 years ago. As I said in the game thread, I would even consider starting McGuire if the Wizards still want to bring Nick Young off the bench.

Kanyewest · Post #20 » by **Kanyewest** » Sat Dec 6, 2008 6:13 am

I will have to say Stevenson did about as a good of job as you could defending Kobe tonight. When Nick Young was in the game, Caron guarded Kobe effectively, but if the Wizards had done that for the whole game, then Butler would have been in foul trouble for most of the game.