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I know we have a trade thread, but you know honestly a ton of ideas get lost in there, and I do think we need a MAJOR shakeup at this point just beyond making a single trade. I just don't have the feeling a Butler/Jamison/Arenas core is going to win us anything at this point. All are 2+ years older...

Anyways here's my Danny Ainge approach to making this team a championship contender next year (of course all depends on Arenas).

I'd wave goodbye to Butler and Jamison for the right pieces. Both are damn good players, but I'd take some big risks to surround Arenas with some amazing players next year and see what happens.

Butler/Thomas/Pick for Marion
- Why? Miami loves Butler. One of Riley's fav player and Wade's Pippen at SF. Yes and I think Beasley should be a PF. I had originally included McGee to let Miami feel less nauseous about taking back Etan to match salaries. Dat rightfully pointed out that was insane, so throwing in a pick instead. I don't really care who/what we include, I just think Miami needs something to stomach the Etan piece. McGee too much agreed.

So.....we get a guy who would be a joy to watch in an up tempo game in DC, and be a great compliment to Arenas. Most importantly he would clean up a lot of misses and get easy put backs with Arenas hoisting his shots. Also has shown he plays great with the next guy........

- Jamison/Blatche for Stoudemire
Stoudemire is being annoying in PHX, Phoenix gets a guy who can contribute for 2 years next to Shaq in Jamison, and a possible future stud in Blatche. We get a guy who can explode for 30/10 regularly.

Arenas/Crittenton
Young/Stevenson
Marion/McGuire
Stoudemire/Our high pick at PF....Griffin?
Haywood/McGee

Marion/Haywood/Arenas give us a menacing defense. Yes Gil is a matador at times, but he does rack up some steals. Having Marion/Haywood combo will help to a point. But Gil can make an impact on defensive end.

Arenas/Young can both knock down the open three and drain mid range shots. Marion is solid all around, and does all the small things around the basket, and can even nail a three. Stoudemire gives us something we haven't had since Webber left DC, a frightening post game. And Haywood is Haywood, provides the D (along with Marion).

Our bench would be frightening.......but many said the same about Boston and look what happened. The deals make sense for both teams involved. I realize it may not match up exactly but I'd like to see Grunfeld just blow the whole damn team up and try to build for an actual championship. It's not happening with the dynamic threesome at this point. That team on paper could compete.

Bash me or love me, but it's time not just for a trade thread but a "blow it up" thread. Sorry for the excessively long post, just a bit exciting.

I understand the philosophy Indu but that Butler/McGee & Thomas trade for Marion is just absolutely brutal from the Wizards standpoint. I definitely don't think Butler should be untouchable and I'm not his biggest fan but considering Marion's age, contract situation and style of play, I'd take Butler over Marion. So to include McGee is just crazy.

Dat2U wrote:I understand the philosophy Indu but that Butler/McGee & Thomas trade for Marion is just absolutely brutal from the Wizards standpoint. I definitely don't think Butler should be untouchable and I'm not his biggest fan but considering Marion's age, contract situation and style of play, I'd take Butler over Marion. So to include McGee is just crazy.

You know what, you're right........my main issue was how to make Miami stomach taking back Etan. Maybe we throw in a pick instead.

In your final starting lineup I would switch Stevenson and Young. NY can be the offense off the bench and DSteve can defend and stand at the 3 pt line, letting Marion be the no.3 option on O. Then I would use our pick on a G with some point skills and sign a PF/C with some experience to backup the 4 with Song and to provide insurance for Mcgee.

That's one way to get it done.

Hard to say that wouldn't be a good team if you could do it.

So what would the contracts look like ?


Shawn seems to be fading
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/ ... erId%3d510

http://wizards.realgm.com/articles/281/ ... o_the_top/

Wizards Could Follow Boston's Path To The Top
By Ben Becker
January 21, 2009 - 4:41 pm

I'm curious how Dirk would work out here; I would have to think he's an upgrade over Jamison at the power forward slot.

I'd rather have Butler than Marion.

I thought Marion and Stoudamire didn't get along in PHX, specifically because if one got more touches, the other would get less.

That article mentions Bosh...that'd be pretty sweet.

20MexicanosIn1Van wrote:I'd rather have Butler than Marion.

We could just skip that trade (agreeing with hands' comment about Marion fading) and do the 2nd. But I think the Wiz would have to include their 1st round pick - unprotected - to make that trade - hopefully also requiring them to take on a contract - like Stevenson's. I would probably do that trade - if I'd feel confident that Amare would re-sign.

Kanyewest wrote:I'm curious how Dirk would work out here; I would have to think he's an upgrade over Jamison at the power forward slot.

Can't envision Cuban letting go off Dirk under any circumstance.

Ruzious wrote:

20MexicanosIn1Van wrote:I'd rather have Butler than Marion.

We could just skip that trade (agreeing with hands' comment about Marion fading) and do the 2nd. But I think the Wiz would have to include their 1st round pick - unprotected - to make that trade - hopefully also requiring them to take on a contract - like Stevenson's. I would probably do that trade - if I'd feel confident that Amare would re-sign.

Question. How good would all the Boston stuff have been without Rondo becoming the player he has become ? I still think it's having a right PG that makes the other talented player come together so they compliment each other.

I still think GA is our #1 issue. He is simple to good a scorer to also be our PG. We need to move him to the 2 guard. I don't like the idea of trying to change his game to fit being a 1. It's not who he is. Maybe he can play the 1 later in his career but right now, he is a 2 guard. We need to get this worked out. It's a huge elephant in the living room.

GA - PG
CB- SF
AJ - PF

That is not a winning formula in my book

Kidd or Nash
Gilbert
CB
Blatche
Haywood

That would be a much better team. And if you want to plug in a Bosh or someone at PF, all the better.

hands11 wrote:
Kidd or Nash
Gilbert
CB
Blatche
Haywood

That would be a much better team. And if you want to plug in a Bosh or someone at PF, all the better.

Nash and Gil in the backcourt together would be absolutely unbearable to watch on the defensive end. And Kidd is almost extinct. While I agree it would be nice to move Gil over to 2 guard, I'd much rather have a Rodney Stucky/Devin Harris at the 1, or somebody that can at least play a lick of defense. Rajon Rondo over Pech looks mighty good right now, but hindsight is a...

Hands, you're not going to like what I say, because it's what I said when you brought this up a year or 2 ago. Gil's offense was not a problem in the Wiz offense - You can make a case for his defense being a problem - but not his offense, imo. The Wiz offense was consistently in the top 5 in efficiency - even when Hughes was here playing with him. And really, ideally in the Wiz offense - there's a blur between the roles of both guards - so it works best when both guards share the PG duties - as Gil and Hughes did. So there's no reason to change him. The best thing for the Wiz backcourt would be to get a good defensive 2 who can help with the PG duties. Stevenson - even with his faults - was effective with Gil because he fit that role. GA may very well be the #1 issue - but it's because we don't know if he's going to physically be the same GA he used to be.

Rondo's effectiveness with Boston is not because he's a pure PG in the Nash or Kidd mold - he isn't in their mold at all. His strengths are mainly his defense and great speed and length and his ability to finish. He's not a particularly good playmaker - but Boston didn't need one when they have 3 other players they can run the offense through. He's a perfect fit for them - other than his outside shooting consistency.

NbdyBeatsTheWiz wrote:

hands11 wrote:
Kidd or Nash
Gilbert
CB
Blatche
Haywood

That would be a much better team. And if you want to plug in a Bosh or someone at PF, all the better.

Nash and Gil in the backcourt together would be absolutely unbearable to watch on the defensive end. And Kidd is almost extinct. While I agree it would be nice to move Gil over to 2 guard, I'd much rather have a Rodney Stucky/Devin Harris at the 1, or somebody that can at least play a lick of defense. Rajon Rondo over Pech looks mighty good right now, but hindsight is a...

Nash or Kidd were just place holders so as to give some context to what I was talking about. Maybe they are over the hill but the idea of a vet PG coach on the court so GA can be a 2 is what I was getting at.

With GA absent and all the focus on new coaches and young players, I forget sometimes how big a problem I think this is for us. I have been calling for us to get this kind of PG since ... since I can't remember. We danced around the issue with Hughes and GA, then we removed Hughes and made GA the PG which I never liked. At least Hughes used to feed Haywood.

This is a big part of why we never developed our bigs or had a post game. Haywood could have been more and sooner if given a chance. A PG as a coach on the court and field general manages the game. He gets everyone involved. He feed the hot hand. Even as much as Paul scores he is always looking to pass first. Paul makes Chandler. Without Paul, Chandler would be nothing. Look at all those alley-opps and what it does to build up Chandler and get the team ramped.

I think GA could do it. But it isn't who he has been and we need it. And if my memory serves me, a lot of GA assist are full court fast break assists. That said, I have seen GA play amazing as a PG and make amazing passes in half court sets. Problem is, it's when he is pissed and trying to - up yours - to someone who says he shoots to much... not because he believes in it. Personally, if he believed in it and put his mind to it, he would be better then Paul.

Ruzious wrote:Hands, you're not going to like what I say, because it's what I said when you brought this up a year or 2 ago. Gil's offense was not a problem in the Wiz offense - You can make a case for his defense being a problem - but not his offense, imo. The Wiz offense was consistently in the top 5 in efficiency - even when Hughes was here playing with him. And really, ideally in the Wiz offense - there's a blur between the roles of both guards - so it works best when both guards share the PG duties - as Gil and Hughes did. So there's no reason to change him. The best thing for the Wiz backcourt would be to get a good defensive 2 who can help with the PG duties. Stevenson - even with his faults - was effective with Gil because he fit that role. GA may very well be the #1 issue - but it's because we don't know if he's going to physically be the same GA he used to be.

Rondo's effectiveness with Boston is not because he's a pure PG in the Nash or Kidd mold - he isn't in their mold at all. His strengths are mainly his defense and great speed and length and his ability to finish. He's not a particularly good playmaker - but Boston didn't need one when they have 3 other players they can run the offense through. He's a perfect fit for them - other than his outside shooting consistency.

I hear what your saying. Your talking construction of the whole team, your just seeing it a little differently then me. I don't think those past teams of ours were designed well for playoff ball and hand in hand they weren't good at developing a post player/games. All big time winning teams has a total team concept not just 2 or 3 players.

But if you aren't seeing what I'm saying then you aren't likely to change your mind. For me, I really wish we had a coach on the floor PG right now and moving forward. To bad AD couldn't shoot a little better and broke down the way he did because he was close to it. With no GA, loosing that skill set was a death kiss. Even last year it was a huge problem when he was hurt. It would really be helping the younger players right now if was had someone like that.

There was an interesting article comparing the Wiz to the Celtics. Basically it was saying that they are in a good postion to turn things around with the right wheeling and dealing. My guess is that they dont have the stomach for it, but it was a good read and bought out some good points. See the link below.


http://wizards.realgm.com/articles/281/ ... o_the_top/