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Sorry for the new topic, don't know where this should go.

So ok, Rubio can't help us next year or the year after, so we traded his rights for some right now help. Ok. Fine. Miller is a decent backup for Caron, yay. Foye is a decent backup for Arenas, yay.

Who starts at the two? Stevenson? McGuire?

Or are we starting Arenas at the two and having Foye start at the one with James backing him up?

What's the plan?

I believe it will be Miller. He has the tools to be effective with the pick and roll...he can pass and shoot. His D is suspect, but I dont think that will be the discriminator that puts him on the bench. I'm not sure how all our other 2 guards can work with the pick and roll. I'm not sure if their games can adjust to the pick and roll. On the other hand, they will bring better D than Miller, which I think makes them better suited to come off the bench.

Isn't Miller starting at the 2?

I think Miller will start at the SG spot. His size makes up for Caron being undersized at the 3.

Agree w/ Miller starting at the 2...Foye will play between Arenas (PG) and Miller (SG)

Miller is easily the best player out of himself, Foye, Young, Stevenson, and McGuire, so he should start. Really, simple as that I think.

I'm betting that's what actually happens as well. Most of the other guys are still pretty young, and there's no comparison between Miller and Stevenson (the other veteran).

I'm not so sure DS in going to be 2nd fiddle, he sure did get a message from the from office with the trade. When DS was healthy he played decent ball as the 4th option and his D was 2nd best on the team next to Haywood.

In my eyes he's got some unfinished business with Le-Travel, motivation from Miller can only make him a better player and it's a win for the Wizards.

I've only seen Miller play a few times, he's got game.

I'm looking forward to the battle between the two.

IBTL

I stand by my prior prediction

Nick Young is our starter next year at SG. Flip likes his size.
Young is probably our best defender at the SG (better than DS I think
if not in the past than in the near future).

Miller is a former 6MOY and will flourish in that role.
We'll be even bigger when he's on the floor considering
who he will likely be replacing. Unless he plays spot
duty at PF.

Foye will back up Arenas and if he plays well enough,
get spot duty at the 2.

DMac will have to play great to get minutes. As will Critter.

Miller is slated to start and I don't see how he doesn't short of injury.

Experience, skills and contract dictate that he is the starter.


As for DS.... time to find his game somewhere else if that is possible. He couldn't jump that well before the back surgery. The guy is the type to doofus that we are trying to clean out of here. EG was trying to move him its just he couldn't but he is defiantly on the blocks.

Wake up call ? I think it's more of a don't let door hit cha where the god lord split cha ... call.

Personally I'd like to see a lot of Foye and Arenas together. Arenas has made scrubs like Jeffries and Stevenson look good next to him. Foye could really develop into the player everyone thought he would be if he and Arenas played together.

I think DS, MJ, and Critt will either be traded or benched. DS played great with Gil that 1 year but you just cant play him over guys like NY, Miller, Foye, and Dom. I think Miller is clearly the starter. Its not just about who's the best player but its more about who is the best fit. You dont really need NY or Foye to start when you already have the big 3 & Gil. NY like to have the ball in there hands and even though I think he would play with Gil, we need his scoring off the bench. Foye should come off the bench for the simple fact that he's needs to be Gil's backup. If he started then you would have NY, Miller, and Dom on the bench. That makes no sense. Now you look at Miller and he's the perfect compliment. He's not a ball hog, he's not a gunner, he can find other guys, and he's the best spot up shooter. He's going to be open all the time with that starting lineup. It just makes so much more sense to me to have him start and then have us come off the bench with 4 guys in NY, Foye, Blatche, and McGee.

Unfortunatly I think Dom will get benched. Im a big Dom fan but someone has to sit out. You cant playe 10 or 11 guys every game. We really dont even have enough minutes for 9 guys but definatly no more then that. Its kind of messed up because I think both Foye & NY would be dynamite beside Gil. Not only that but I just think every single player on our roster will look 10x better with Gil on the court so it sucks that he may be on the bench some when the young guys are in because you would like for him to play with them. Thats why its good that we have Foye because he may can handle that role like AD, Brown, James, and Critt couldnt. To me it just makes the most sense as a roster itself to have Miller starting because he fits with the big 4 better and you can still have a great 4some of scorers on the bench with Foye, NY, and the 2 young bigs. It just balances the team better to me

I think DeShawn will be the starter come opening night (I don't think he'll keep that spot throughout the season but for the sake of "continuity" I think he's penciled in as the opening day starter at the 2). Maybe Nick or Dom or Foye step into that role later in the year and DS2 gets buried on the bench.

I like Millions coming off the bench as the reliable veteran presence with the 2nd unit. I think he'll end up closing out games with the Big 4 but a 2nd unit lineup that includes Foye (or Critt), Dom, AB and Lemonhead needs to have Miller at the 2 moreso than N1 (or DS2).

Gilbert0Arenas wrote:Personally I'd like to see a lot of Foye and Arenas together. Arenas has made scrubs like Jeffries and Stevenson look good next to him. Foye could really develop into the player everyone thought he would be if he and Arenas played together.

Agreed. I would be interested to see how Foye performs with a dynamic guard like Arenas. I also think Foye is better suited to guard quicker guards because of his lateral quickness. He can also guard point guards if Arenas repeatedly gets burned by his man.

Foye is 6'3. I don't want to see him and Arenas in the backcourt for an extended period of time. It's okay if we're playing teams with a smaller backcourt, but not as a permanent lineup.

I originally thought Miller would start because he's the best wing player we have behind Butler, but I think for the sake of getting a vet in that second unit, I could see Nick starting at the 2 this season.

Second unit: Foye, Stevenson, Miller, Blatche, Jmac (and yes, I do think DMac gets the shaft when it comes to minutes this upcoming season).

bulletproof_32 wrote:I think DeShawn will be the starter come opening night (I don't think he'll keep that spot throughout the season but for the sake of "continuity" I think he's penciled in as the opening day starter at the 2). Maybe Nick or Dom or Foye step into that role later in the year and DS2 gets buried on the bench.

I like Millions coming off the bench as the reliable veteran presence with the 2nd unit. I think he'll end up closing out games with the Big 4 but a 2nd unit lineup that includes Foye (or Critt), Dom, AB and Lemonhead needs to have Miller at the 2 moreso than N1 (or DS2).

What continuity ?

What he did with Gil 2 years ago before his back surgery and with EJ as HC has more likely then not has little to do with what will happen this year.

MM is a tall SG starter who can nail the 3 ( a weakness of our ) who we just traded to bring here and he makes 9M a year. EJ is gone and so are his line ups. I doubt Miller won't be starting and if he isn't it won't be because DSleezy is starting.

Hell, DS may never even play again and even if that is a longer shot, it's not out of the question that he won't be ready to start the season. That's if he doesn't get traded which EG already showed he would do. I put DS starting just ahead of Mike James starting. Highly unlikely.

yungal07 wrote:Foye is 6'3. I don't want to see him and Arenas in the backcourt for an extended period of time. It's okay if we're playing teams with a smaller backcourt, but not as a permanent lineup.

I originally thought Miller would start because he's the best wing player we have behind Butler, but I think for the sake of getting a vet in that second unit, I could see Nick starting at the 2 this season.

Second unit: Foye, Stevenson, Miller, Blatche, Jmac (and yes, I do think DMac gets the shaft when it comes to minutes this upcoming season).

NBA.com lists Foye at 6'4. And despite his height, he still has decent size on him. He's listed at 213 pounds; only 5 pounds lighter than Miller who is listed at 6'8. The starting job could go to Young if he improves his passing and improves his decision making; both offensively and defensively. I don't see him emerging in that role yet.

I agree that Miller can come off the bench because he's already shown he can be very effective in that role and I'm assuming he won't be too proud about it like Jamison.

I still think Dominic McGuire can find his minutes on this team since he's pretty versatile. I can even see him playing the 4 alongside a true center. But his minutes will probably be cut in half by whatever they were last year.

As much as i love the Mike Miller addidtion, a Gilbert-Caron-Miller combination is arguably worst defensive perimeter in the league. Miller is perfect as our first swingman off the bench.

Ultimately, if we're going to be competitive, we need a stopper starting at the 2. Either Dom or Deshawn (as much as he sucked last season, he works well next to Arenas).

Ideally, Dom McGuire with a jumpshot is exactly the guy we need at the two. Big body, good defender, excellent rebounder, athletic, good bball IQ, hustle guy, solid distributor, and doesnt need the ball in his hands to be effective. I just hope Dom's working on that J, because whoever is playing the 2 will be getting ALOT of open looks. Especially after Gilbert saying he wants to be more of a playmaker this season.

Has Flip addressed where he intends to play Foye yet? Backup PG to Gil, or primarily at the 2?

Mosca wrote:As much as i love the Mike Miller addidtion, a Gilbert-Caron-Miller combination is arguably worst defensive perimeter in the league. Miller is perfect as our first swingman off the bench.

Ultimately, if we're going to be competitive, we need a stopper starting at the 2. Either Dom or Deshawn (as much as he sucked last season, he works well next to Arenas).

Ideally, Dom McGuire with a jumpshot is exactly the guy we need at the two. Big body, good defender, excellent rebounder, athletic, good bball IQ, hustle guy, solid distributor, and doesnt need the ball in his hands to be effective. I just hope Dom's working on that J, because whoever is playing the 2 will be getting ALOT of open looks. Especially after Gilbert saying he wants to be more of a playmaker this season.

Has Flip addressed where he intends to play Foye yet? Backup PG to Gil, or primarily at the 2?

Great, great post. I agree completely with all of it. The problem might end up being that M&M might feel good starting at the two for part of the year, but it will surely kill us in the playoffs (thus it should not be done in the first place). We should trade (Young and Crit) for another vet, defensive two-guard, or use Dom/Young as our only shooting guards. Foye should not play SG next to Arenas (except in spot mins). And neither should Miller (except in spot mins). Both of those are defensive nightmares -- for us.

Miller will start. And our D won't be as bad as most of you think. Arenas and Butler are lousy defenders when they're forced to carry the entire load on offense while playing 38+ minutes a game. It'll be a different story when Arenas is playing 35 minutes, Butler is playing 33, and neither of them has to score 22+ points a game. The defense will also be helped by Haywood playing 32 minutes instead of 27.