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[LyricalRico]

I can definitely see EJ wanting the package in Philly. The problem becomes what to do with Brand? Make it a 3-way!

Wizards trade: Jamison, Butler, Stevenson, and Foye
Wizards receive: Iguodala, Prince, and Maxiell

Sixers trade: Brand, Iguodala, Kapono, and first
Sixers receive: Jamison, Butler, and Hamilton

Pistons trade: Hamilton, Prince, and Maxiell
Pistons receive: Brand, Kapono, Stevenson, Foye, and PHI first

TRADE ID 5322450

[closg00]

Funny, actually Wood is our most valuable trade-piece yet I haven't see any scenarios with him in them. Wood is outta here, why not try and get something for him before he walks?

[nate33]

Funny, actually Wood is our most valuable trade-piece yet I haven't see any scenarios with him in them. Wood is outta here, why not try and get something for him before he walks?

The problem is that the receiving team only gets him for a half-year rental. I don't expect anyone to give up all that much for him. It's kinda like the Bosh situation in Toronto only worse. (In Toronto they know Bosh is gone. Here, there's still a chance Haywood will stay.)

[Dat2U]

Funny, actually Wood is our most valuable trade-piece yet I haven't see any scenarios with him in them. Wood is outta here, why not try and get something for him before he walks?

Ok, I've got two for ya.

Deal One:

Wizards trade: SF Caron Butler / CE Brendan Haywood / SG Randy Foye
Jazz trade: PF Carlos Boozer / SF Matt Harpring / 2010 1st round draft pick (Knicks)

Deal Two:

Wizards trade: SF Caron Butler / CE Brendan Haywood / SG DeShawn Stevenson
Bulls trade: CE Joakim Noah / SF Loul Deng / CE Jerome James

Deal One is more of a cap dump and relying on rebuilding through the draft. Deal Two is a rebuild on the fly by trading for a young defensive C and younger & more expensive SF.

[LyricalRico]

Wizards trade: SF Caron Butler / CE Brendan Haywood / SG DeShawn Stevenson
Bulls trade: CE Joakim Noah / SF Loul Deng / CE Jerome James

This one piqued my interest, although I'm not sure we get quite enough.

[nate33]

Funny, actually Wood is our most valuable trade-piece yet I haven't see any scenarios with him in them. Wood is outta here, why not try and get something for him before he walks?

Ok, I've got two for ya.

Deal One:

Wizards trade: SF Caron Butler / CE Brendan Haywood / SG Randy Foye
Jazz trade: PF Carlos Boozer / SF Matt Harpring / 2010 1st round draft pick (Knicks)

Deal Two:

Wizards trade: SF Caron Butler / CE Brendan Haywood / SG DeShawn Stevenson
Bulls trade: CE Joakim Noah / SF Loul Deng / CE Jerome James

Deal One is more of a cap dump and relying on rebuilding through the draft. Deal Two is a rebuild on the fly by trading for a young defensive C and younger & more expensive SF.

I don't think either Utah or Chicago do those trades, Dat2U.

I don't think Utah is willing to take on Butler's salary unless they give up a longer contract in the process. It would have to be Butler + Wood for Kirilenko + NY pick.

Chicago isn't trading Noah. Noah is nearly as good as Haywood already, yet he's much younger and hasn't yet peaked. The Butler for Deng swap isn't enough of an upgrade for them to lose Noah.

[Dat2U]

I tried Nate. I've been a Noah fan for years. He would be an ideal replacement for Haywood. I'm thinking that getting out of Deng's long term deal might make it tempting, along with Haywood being a rock solid short term replacement in the middle for them.

[fugop]

what do people think about a deal centered on Jamison for Deng? I'd probably expand it to Jamison + Miller for Thomas, Deng, and Jerome James. I'm not entirely confident that Butler and Deng could coexist as swing players, but with Deng's defensive acumen, Butler's difficulties at the two are mitigated. It's basically a simple offense for defense swap. We get a bit younger, but take on Deng's deal of perpetuities (same length as Arenas). Otherwise cap-neutral, though we're forced to ponder resigning Thomas rather than Miller.

Arenas/Boykins
Butler/Young/Foye
Deng/McGuire
Blatche/Thomas
Haywood/McGee/Oberto


Rose
Salmons
Miller
Jamison
Noah


http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... i?id=yqO9h

[Hoopalotta]

I think as to Haywood, Dallas and Miami would be good trading partners in that they're likely to be contending next year and could realistically sign him with the bird rights. I particularly like it for Dallas because they're going to move Dampier (Ok, Damp-Dump) and will need a replacement but they can't spend any more than the MLE to sign a center and that ain't gettin' much really. So Haywood would be a huge pickup for them and they have the pull to keep him I'd say.

But honestly, if management thinks that he isn't going to resign, they need to act accordingly with all our assets and just dump everyone before the deadline for as much youth n' picks as we can get. At that point there is no choice as to the direction of the franchise.

As to deals with the Sixers, it looks like Kapono has a player option next year, so he's a big negative in any deal.

I think both Chicago and Philly are teams that would give up something precious in order to dump some of their bad contracts (Dalembert, Kapono, Brand *gulp*, Hinrich, Solmons; even Deng and Iggy are very expensive for where those teams are and haven't been able to get them wins; obviously Iggy's not a bad contract, but there's no point in paying a guy $12 million a year if you're losing eleven games in a row).

I dislike the idea of trading for draft picks with these Eastern teams though as no one is more than a three game winning streak out of 8th place, so even seemingly terrible teams don't have picks you can count on (even the Knicks could make the playoffs and destroy the pick for Utah; check out the thread on the Utah board, great stuff after an NY win). Philly in particular is looking at the luxury tax with a rebuilding team and their ownership is supposed to be cheapish. Chicago is not looking at the tax, but Reinsdorf is a legendary scrooge.

I'd love to see us acquire multiple picks in the mid rounds over the next few years and have the kind of luxury to take some fliers on high upside guys. It's a lot easier to rebuild through the draft when you're looking at multiple picks per year.

[Hoopalotta]

I'd think about Deng for Jamison, though I think we'd definitely be moving Butler thereafter.

Ultimately, the trades worked would need to be taken as a whole, in that we can take on some salary in one deal, but we need to dump salary in another.

Jamison seems like a good candidate for a salary dump though, as guys like Miller, Haywood, James and Foye can bring us back more talent if we're willing to absorb salary. If we take back salary in a Jamison deal, we seriously degrade the value of our expiring contracts.

[Hoopalotta]

I looked at sending Jamison and a bunch of riffraff and our draft pick to Philly for Igoudala and Brand and then trading Butler for an expiring and a prospect.

Trade – Philadelphia
Washington Out: A. Jamison, M. James, R. Foye, F. Oberto, J. Crittenton & 2010 1st Round Pick
Washington In: A. Iguodala & E. Brand

Trade - Whoever
Washington Out: Butler
Washington In: Expiring for about $7 Million and then a prospect on a rookie deal for about $2.5 million.

I plugged it into the spreadsheet and......

Totally untenable if we plan to keep Miller and Haywood. Just disastrous cap ramifications. After re-upping those guys, I had us at $72 Million next year, over $79 million in 2012 and then $74 Million again in 2013 without a resigned Blatche or Young or any rookie deals. We'd also have a real thin roster with injury risks in Brand and Miller.

It's basically a flaming pig of a trade.

[Hoopalotta]

I posted these before on the old thread, but here Haywood trades I like under a blow-it-up scenario

with Miami:
Washington Out: B. Haywood
Washington In: J. Jones, C. Quinn and one of either the Toronto or 2010 Miami 1st Round Pick's. The Toronto pick is lottery protected until 2012 I think.

Jones has a partially guaranteed contract whereby we'd need to pay him $2 Million in each of the next three years while Quinn is expiring. That's a pretty big plus from Riley's perspective though.

A bit expensive, but a mid round first could be quite useful this year.

With Dallas:
Washington Out: B. Haywood
Washington In: K. Humphries, S. Williams and R. Beaubois

Humphries is on the books next year, but at just over $3 Million. He's extremely strong and can plug into a rebuild big man platoon. Williams expires and Beauboise can swing between the one and the two while we see what we have (he's actually about 6'2"-6'3" at Draft Express rather than the 6' ESPN lists him as).

If we traded Butler and Jamison for expirings and cheap prospects, we could think about Haywood, Miller and Foye to Indiana for Murphy, Dunleavy and then their draft pick (or picks; hopefully Hibbert too). They'd save over $20 Million next year with the incoming white guys expiring in 2011 for us. If we really wanted to get ridiculous, we could throw in Mike James and take back Foster too, saving them $26 Million (don't know if that would be affordable over here). The question would be, what kinds of young prospects do they return for that kind of savings? But Haywood, Miller and Foye are almost perfect Indiana kinds of players, being kind of conservative, fundamental and or smart.

[nate33]

Jeez. Hoopalotta is going to usurp my role as Wizboard capologist.

No matter how you run the numbers, it appears that the only way to get significant value out of Miller and Wood's expiring contracts is to first unload Jamison (and hopefully Stevenson) for an expiring contract.

I still say we have two options:
Option 1: Trade Butler for a younger swing man and cap relief. Keep the rest of the team together (including Wood and Miller) while avoiding the luxtax. See how it goes over the next year or two.

Option 2: Trade Butler and Jamison cap relief plus the best picks/young players we can get. Discuss the situation with Wood and Miller to see if they're inclined to stay or depart. If they're leaning towards departing, then look to trade their expiring contracts for picks/youth plus longer contracts.

[nate33]

Simple trade that gets some value out of Foye:

Washington trades: Foye
Portland trades: Outlaw (or Blake) + 1st round pick

Why for Portland: They're playing Blake big minutes right now because he's the only healthy guard on the team besides Foye who can hit a 3-pointer. Portland fans absolutely hate Blake right now because he's a low-minute role player in over his head. Foye would be a nice fit in Portland alongside Roy or Miller. Foye would defend opposing PG's at least as well as Blake, but he'll stretch the floor on offense with his deadly 3-pointer and he also has the ability to attack the hoop when the ball is kicked out to him. It's the perfect situation for him.

Why for us: Foye just doesn't fit here. This is a way to reap some value out of him before he departs as a free agent this summer. Outlaw is hurt, I don't know if he's coming back this year or not. If he does, he probably won't play much behind Butler and Miller. If we get Blake, Blake could probably get some minutes as a backup PG if he can squeeze out Boykins. Blake will probably run Flip's offense better than anybody else on this roster.

[Ed Wood]

Would you agree that San Antonio would be a potential match for a rental of Haywood considering that they're still looking to contend and their front office most likely appreciates the value Haywood has as a player? This would be something to do after moving Antawn, as Nate has said, but I guess I'm kinda fixated on Tiago Splitter as a guy to add to our rotation of bigs if we're destined to loose Brendan.

San Antonio trades:
Michael Finley
Roger Mason Jr.
Rights to Tiago Splitter

San Antonio receives:
Brendan Haywood

Washington Trades:
Haywood

Washington Receives:
Splitter
Finley (cut)
Mason (cut if San Antonio wants him back)

Move Jamison for the best deal we can find and we're left with:
Arenas
Young
Butler
Blatche
Splitter

That's a much younger starting five than we have currently and Blatche and Splitter would be a tough twosome to match up against defensively without sacrificing too much of our own defense.

I assume San Antonio wouldn't mind giving up both Finley and Mason if they're assured that we'll release them. I imagine both guys would happily resign with the Spurs if we did. On our end Splitter is a very good player and locked up for cheap on a rookie deal. This deal assumes that Splitter is interested in coming to the NBA, if he isn't immediately interested I'd ask for another throw in, either dumping Stevenson or trading for George Hill or something. Thoughts?

[Hoopalotta]

Yeah, I hear you, Foye is a fine point guard in Portland or with the Lakers (as you mentioned previously).

He'd be a great fit there, though Pritchard is notoriously difficult in trade talks and values his guys a lot.

And honestly, they could finally settle that whole "Foye-Roy-who's better-?" debate that has swirled around since they were drafted.

Well.....

I think we would be wise to accept Outlaw rather than try and pry away Blake.

[nate33]

I think we would be wise to accept Outlaw rather than try and pry away Blake.

Yeah, the prize in this deal is the pick. I don't care one bit which of those filler contracts we get.

[Det the Threat]

Just posted this one on the trade board.

Clippers Trade:
Marcus Camby
Al Thornton
protected first round pick(top 8 in 2010/top 5 in 2011/top 3 in 2012)

Clippers Receive:
Caron Butler
Jarvaris Crittenton

Spurs Trade:
Matt Bonner
Roger Mason
Michael Finley
2010 1st Round pick

Spurs Receive:
Marcus Camby
Dominic McGuire

Wizards Trade:
Caron Butler
Dominic McGuire
Jarvaris Crittenton

Wizards Receive:
Matt Bonner
Roger Mason
Michael Finley
Al Thornton
LAC protected 2010 1st Round Pick
SAS 2010 1st Round PIck

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=967515

You guys would cut Bonner and Finley, who could join the Spurs again.

Thoughts?

[nate33]

I'd probably do it. I'm a little concerned about the protection on LA's pick. I don't want LA to end up with the 8th worst record this year, and then suddenly emerge as a playoff team next year - sticking us with the #20 or so pick in 2011.

Limit the protection on those picks to top 3 for next 3 years, and LA can keep Al Thornton. (I'd rather have the additional raw cap relief anyhow.)

[closg00]

Would you agree that San Antonio would be a potential match for a rental of Haywood considering that they're still looking to contend and their front office most likely appreciates the value Haywood has as a player? This would be something to do after moving Antawn, as Nate has said, but I guess I'm kinda fixated on Tiago Splitter as a guy to add to our rotation of bigs if we're destined to loose Brendan.

San Antonio trades:
Michael Finley
Roger Mason Jr.
Rights to Tiago Splitter

San Antonio receives:
Brendan Haywood

Washington Trades:
Haywood

Washington Receives:
Splitter
Finley (cut)
Mason (cut if San Antonio wants him back)

Move Jamison for the best deal we can find and we're left with:
Arenas
Young
Butler
Blatche
Splitter

That's a much younger starting five than we have currently and Blatche and Splitter would be a tough twosome to match up against defensively without sacrificing too much of our own defense.

I assume San Antonio wouldn't mind giving up both Finley and Mason if they're assured that we'll release them. I imagine both guys would happily resign with the Spurs if we did. On our end Splitter is a very good player and locked up for cheap on a rookie deal. This deal assumes that Splitter is interested in coming to the NBA, if he isn't immediately interested I'd ask for another throw in, either dumping Stevenson or trading for George Hill or something. Thoughts?

I am sympathetic to the idea of trading Wood to a tier-1 team looking for depth during the playoffs. Some team may want to get the jump on Wood for when he becomes an FA. If Wood can be packaged with Butler for an upgrade at back-up PG or for the SF position, I'm all ears. This could be the way to go if your betting that Wood is gone anyway.