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Poll: Should Ernie Grunfeld Lead the Rebuild?

Look, Ernie has 100%! Well, time to lock this thread.

I don't trust the person who created the problems to fix the problems.

As at least one other person posted elsewhere, the rebuild will likely to some degree begin at or before the trade deadline. Unless EG is fired before then (an unlikely move that wouldn't instill me with confidence) he will lead the beginning of the rebuild. Maybe he can pull a Bobby Beathard, pull off a phenomenal series of trades, then resign for greener pastures before the draft.

Who among current or past GMs is good enough to right this mess, available, and willing to take on the project?

I don't trust Ernie with likely the most important part of the rebuild. The Draft. I'm not even sure EG has confidence with a high draft pick. He's passed on the last two. People like to say how weak last years draft was but Ernie passed on a top five pick in a much stronger draft when he traded for Jamison (i got bashed for hating the trade throughout the years when everyone else praised it, but I think I've been proven right). His history with picks outside the 2nd round have been spotty at best.

I think Ernie is a competent GM. Capable of great moves (initially signing Gil, drafting Blatche in the 2nd rd, trading for Caron) and capable of some terrible head scratching moves (resigning Gil even though he knew Gil needed another surgery, the DeBrick & DSong signings, drafting Pech).

However the Miller/Foye trade is what does it for me. That has me calling for his head. It''s completely unacceptable that we suffered through a 19 win season for a year of Mike Miller being injured and watching a non-descript undersized SG in Randy Foye lose minutes to the likes of DeBrick & Nick Young. I thought the trade was awful at the time and frankly foresight is 20/20, b/c it looks laughably bad now.

Dat2U wrote:I don't trust Ernie with likely the most important part of the rebuild. The Draft. I'm not even sure EG has confidence with a high draft pick. He's passed on the last two. People like to say how weak last years draft was but Ernie passed on a top five pick in a much stronger draft when he traded for Jamison (i got bashed for hating the trade throughout the years when everyone else praised it, but I think I've been proven right). His history with picks outside the 2nd round have been spotty at best.

I think Ernie is a competent GM. Capable of great moves (initially signing Gil, drafting Blatche in the 2nd rd, trading for Caron) and capable of some terrible head scratching moves (resigning Gil even though he knew Gil needed another surgery, the DeBrick & DSong signings, drafting Pech).

However the Miller/Foye trade is what does it for me. That has me calling for his head. It''s completely unacceptable that we suffered through a 19 win season for a year of Mike Miller being injured and watching a non-descript undersized SG in Randy Foye lose minutes to the likes of DeBrick & Nick Young. I thought the trade was awful at the time and frankly foresight is 20/20, b/c it looks laughably bad now.

I really agree with this Dat.

Dat2U wrote:I don't trust Ernie with likely the most important part of the rebuild. The Draft. I'm not even sure EG has confidence with a high draft pick. He's passed on the last two. People like to say how weak last years draft was but Ernie passed on a top five pick in a much stronger draft when he traded for Jamison (i got bashed for hating the trade throughout the years when everyone else praised it, but I think I've been proven right). His history with picks outside the 2nd round have been spotty at best.

I think Ernie is a competent GM. Capable of great moves (initially signing Gil, drafting Blatche in the 2nd rd, trading for Caron) and capable of some terrible head scratching moves (resigning Gil even though he knew Gil needed another surgery, the DeBrick & DSong signings, drafting Pech).

However the Miller/Foye trade is what does it for me. That has me calling for his head. It''s completely unacceptable that we suffered through a 19 win season for a year of Mike Miller being injured and watching a non-descript undersized SG in Randy Foye lose minutes to the likes of DeBrick & Nick Young. I thought the trade was awful at the time and frankly foresight is 20/20, b/c it looks laughably bad now.

I really agree with this Dat.

Gilfanatic123 wrote:I don't trust the person who created the problems to fix the problems.

+1

That's like saying would you marry the your ex-wife all over again. You're not right for her. She's not right for you. You have many awful, horrible memories. God and fairness are not on one or both of your agendas --they're either no rules at all, or one or both of you are doing your own thing ... not a partnership. Would you go there again?

(This does have EG in mind, but I'm getting to it.)



I see an analogy between whom Ernie drafts and whom I've entered into marriage with. Like Ernie, I've really made some egregious, costly mistakes. Talk about investing or paying a lot for so little in return. Ernie's been far too generous with his wallet and not at all critical or discerning enough for what he's bought into to.

I'd want someone else with a new concept. A moneyball/defensive/global perspective type guy.

Whether we like it or not. He's got the job. Who's gonna fire him?

JWizmentality wrote:Whether we like it or not. He's got the job. Who's gonna fire him?

At some point Ernie, will have to answer to the new majority ownership group.

closg00 wrote:

JWizmentality wrote:Whether we like it or not. He's got the job. Who's gonna fire him?

At some point Ernie, will have to answer to the new majority ownership group.

And on that day, Closg00 will stand upon the stone of judgment, brandishing the lash of retribution. Purely as a disinterested party of course.

Should Vinny Ceratto lead the rebuild of the Washington Redskins? They're the exact same executive, just different sports.

- Really good at making headline-grabbing, highlight moves.
- Terrible at managing the draft, don't really value draft picks. Vinny at least hits on his 1st rounders, Ernie either trades them or blows them. Both think they can make up the difference in later rounds (compare Vinny's philosophy on the lines to Ernie's philosophy on drafting in general)
- Terrible at finding good role players to fill out the roster.
- Inability to realize the importance of certain roles on the team (Vinny with linemen, Ernie with defensive players/bigs)
- A failure to own up to and correct past mistakes.
- A general lack of vision as to how the team should be built, general tendency is to acquire "pieces" that may or may not fit the overall direction of the team.

In short, absolutely not; we need a new GM asap.

Chaos Revenant wrote:Should Vinny Ceratto lead the rebuild of the Washington Redskins? They're the exact same executive, just different sports.

- Really good at making headline-grabbing, highlight moves.
- Terrible at managing the draft, don't really value draft picks. Vinny at least hits on his 1st rounders, Ernie either trades them or blows them. Both think they can make up the difference in later rounds (compare Vinny's philosophy on the lines to Ernie's philosophy on drafting in general)
- Terrible at finding good role players to fill out the roster.
- Inability to realize the importance of certain roles on the team (Vinny with linemen, Ernie with defensive players/bigs)
- A failure to own up to and correct past mistakes.
- A general lack of vision as to how the team should be built, general tendency is to acquire "pieces" that may or may not fit the overall direction of the team.

In short, absolutely not; we need a new GM asap.

I don't disagree with any of this, but it's too bad that midseason is such a bad time to replace a GM. As the season goes on and the Wizards situation remains apparent, good replacement possibilities will become known, will make themselves known, and new possibilities will be added as the season continues and some GMs (or younger, ready-to-become GMs) will look like they're moving on from current positions.

In the meantime, we're likely stuck with Grunfeld trying to make deals prior to the deadline. It's hard for me to envision someone else within the organization or outside taking his place at this point and being able to pull off deals that would help the Wizards, but I'd love to be proven wrong. Other than moves that clear large contracts for cap space/young talent/picks prior to the deadline, I'd hope that a change happens in time for a good replacement to adequately assess the roster and be fully in charge for the decisions to try and resign Haywood and Miller and for the draft, and any other offseason moves.

It's going to be so awesome when Ernie proves all ya'll wrong.

Gilfanatic123 wrote:I don't trust the person who created the problems to fix the problems.

Bingo...

Not only is Ernie Grunfield inept at finding players who can play defense, he is inept at finding players who aren't **** nuts.

Seriously, the most stable, level-headed, hardworking, and mature guy on the team is a MICHAEL JORDAN holdover.

I think Ernie at this point is around the same level that Unseld was as a GM. Except that Unseld's guys at least seemed to work hard.

LyricalRico wrote:It's going to be so awesome when Ernie proves all ya'll wrong.

The inconsistency of the complaints here and elsewhere are such that if he proves us all wrong, the Wizards will have won the championship this year without EG making a move. I can't wait either.

Er-nie!

Er-nie!

Er-nie!

Are you just trolling us or do you REALLY support Ernie Grunfeld?

Really, his performance as GM has been utterly indefensible.

Chaos Revenant wrote:Are you just trolling us or do you REALLY support Ernie Grunfeld?

Really, his performance as GM has been utterly indefensible.

Rico ain't jokin, he's %100 in Ernie's corner. Like Zard was to EJ, Rico is Ernie's rep here on the boards