Grunfeld's job in jeopardy for coverup?

[Dat2U]

I know this part of the same story, but this might be a worthy subject on its own. Mods, feel free to move if you think this belongs in the other thread.

Apparently, EG did not inform the NBA of the incident and they only found out b/c of the media's involvement.

I'm beginning to think where's there's smoke, there's fire. Obviously, even if we don't know all the FACTS, something huge happenned. And apparently EG was trying to protect his players, which is commendable. It's why I doubted the severity of the incident b/c Gil was still practicing & playing. However, it may cost EG his job, and his career.

This gets uglier by the hour. Wow, what a way to start a decade as a Wizards fan.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/n ... gZL2B78TsK

The Washington Wizards never told the NBA that two of its players drew guns on each other in a locker-room dispute over a gambling debt, sources said yesterday.

It was only after The Post's inquiries more than a week after the Dec. 21 incident that league officials found out about the unprecedented alleged armed standoff between All-Star Gilbert Arenas and teammate Javaris Crittenton inside the Verizon Center in DC.

That stunning gun duel now threatens to end the Wizard careers of not only the two point guards -- who stand to lose millions of dollars in pay -- but also of general manager Ernie Grunfeld, a former star Knicks player and president.

"This is gonna cost Ernie Grunfeld his job," a former NBA team president told The Post. "Because the buck stops at the top."

[closg00]

Don't get my hopes-up about this being the final nail in Ernie's coffin

I believe there is more than meets the eye with this story. Ernie is the master of spin, he will survive to spin again...at-least until the new ownership group is in-place.

[Zerocious]

sure, i'll drop a post in this thread.....

[McGully Culkin]

Wow....I heard about this on WTOP this morning. This situation gets uglier and uglier as the days go on. I mean, who advised Gil about his lame excuse about wanting to get rid of the guns due to his daughter's birth? As soon as I heard that reasoning as to why he brought the guns to the VC, I raised my eyebrow because something in that story just didn't add up. Now, if EG knew about all of this mess and tried to cover it up, and also counseled Gil on what to tell the media initially, he needs to go. Gil is stupid, no doubt....However, Grunfeld HAS to be held accountable because he didn't do his job as a GM in handling this situation in the correct manner (if true). If Gil's contract is going to be voided and it turns out there was a cover-up from within the organization, EG will have to go. There is no getting around it.

[dlts20]

How can you guys talk like this is such a sure thing? Maybe EG didnt tell the league because it never happened. DId you ever think about that? Maybe they didnt pull guns on eachother or atleast maybe there are no witnesses to prove they did. I dont think the league can prove it, if it even did happened. Who's going to talk? No one at the VC will. The only reason why anyone knew about this story at all is because of Critt's idiot friend. Critt will get him to say that he was joking and then its all good. Cops do have a good way of bringing this out though. Also, Critt's friend probably wasnt even there. He's probably just getting the story from Critt. If he wasnt there then he dont really know what happened and Critt could just say that he made the story up to his friend. How can you prove otherwise unless someone at the VC snitches? I doubt that happeneds

[Donkey McDonkerton]

\ How can you prove otherwise unless someone at the VC snitches? I doubt that happeneds

UH OH, Was the source MillerTime? Was he there?


It's all starting to make sense.

[LyricalRico]

How can you guys talk like this is such a sure thing? Maybe EG didnt tell the league because it never happened. DId you ever think about that?

Great point. This could all be an urban legend invented by the anti-EG folks on this board.

It's a conspiracy, I tell you. A c-o-n-spiracy!

[AceDegenerate]

The major point here is that to convict anyone of anything, somebody is going to basically have to snitch out their teammate, or Crit could snitch on himself I suppose and end his own career.

I don't see how this happens, and the lack of evidence in the end should be all that matters. I only hope the NBA does not choose to make an example out of Arenas without any evidence of serious wrongdoing.

[80sballboy]

He's getting fired anyway so whether it's now or when Ted takes over and he waits until after the season, it's a moot point. The guy is toast and this just might make it quicker. whatever "this" situation turns out to be. But if he did cover up the gun sitaution and didn't tell the league, he should be gone pronto.

[JWizmentality]

Millertime probably did snitch on someone. It's all his fault.

[Wizards2Lottery]

They need to just shut down this franchise and put us all out of our misery.

[miller31time]

I won't say I'm not the snitch.

You'll all have to wait for the tell-all book that I may or may not be writing to find out (or not find out).

[JWizmentality]

They need to just shut down this franchise and put us all out of our misery.

Hell no, where are we going to get our fix?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Dat, between Shelden Williams floating 150K; "Bookie Ball" saying he heard it from Crittenton that Gil was f'ing with him but he was protecting himself; sourceS saying that following the dispute on the plane that guns were drawn IN THE LOCKERROOM the next day-- and this thing not only not being reported by Ernie, but instead guys were going on business as usual, I'd say EG's gone, too.

By the time all this gets sorted out folks might be called to testify, Gil and/or J Crit might get some time on top of the suspension THEY WILL get, and depending on whether they're convicted one or both might have their contract terminated.

Oh, Ernie was on thin ice before this. These are guys he brought in and it happened under his watch and he did not disclose this first and handle it in house at all.

I'd say he's as gone as gone can be. Just a matter of when.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

The major point here is that to convict anyone of anything, somebody is going to basically have to snitch out their teammate, or Crit could snitch on himself I suppose and end his own career.

I don't see how this happens, and the lack of evidence in the end should be all that matters. I only hope the NBA does not choose to make an example out of Arenas without any evidence of serious wrongdoing.

"There are so many amendments in the Constitution of the United States of America, but I can only choose one .... I PLEAD THE FIF!!!!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rissm5YH ... re=related

If they want to make this go away, everybody needs to LAWYER UP, and then do what Dave Chappelle's character, (who has Wizards' colors on BTW) did. Gil and Javaris shouldn't talk to even the player's union folks.

Teammates, unfortunately, will have to say they saw the guns in the lockerroom--or will they. Guess it depends. Even the witnesses could lawyer up, if they haven't already cooperated with the po po. (Some folks might say from the start they're not sure what happened and keep at that until threatened with contempt or perjury charges).

If I were on that plane, I'd say "I was mostly sleep and looking out the window. Might have been a disturbance, but I'm not the one who'd exactly know from my vantage point what it was about."

"In the lockerroom--my locker's not facing them, and that's all I have to say at this time."

You don't have to lie to not snitch. If it goes to trial and you get called up, and it's them or you, then you give them up.

[montestewart]

They need to just shut down this franchise and put us all out of our misery.

Hell no, where are we going to get our fix?

If they shut the Wizards down, I'd have to drive north and go to games with my stepfather. His team is the Sixers. How's that for a second option?

[closg00]

How can you guys talk like this is such a sure thing? Maybe EG didnt tell the league because it never happened. DId you ever think about that?

Great point. This could all be an urban legend invented by the anti-EG folks on this board.

It's a conspiracy, I tell you. A c-o-n-spiracy!

Rico, I hope you are scouring Photobucket for a new pic/avatar, you're gonna need it eventually.

All will be forgiven Rico, just as it was with Zard We will move forward through this unbelievable turmoil together.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I don't know. Depends on how close you are to stepdad, monte.

Estranged stepdad(?), worse team, worse coach vs Wizards?

That's a tough call.

But if you and stepdad are tight, go for the 76ers. I believe they'll be much better the second half of the season.

[Pradamaster]

The Post article is kind of dopey, because right now there's nobody that has the authority to fire Ernie anyway because there's no owner. In the future, once someone is put in that position, well yeah, Ernie is in trouble for many reasons, including this.

So way to go out on a limb guys.

[mohammed10]

In all of this, there's one confirmed fact: Arenas brought guns (not a gun) into the locker room. That's a violation of NBA rules and DC laws. The Wizards organization, specifically Ernie G would be criminally inept if they didn't look into voiding his contract and getting the albatross off the back. It's not like the team has been that much better with him on the court. I saw blow the team up and give up this "mediocre 3" dream.