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Per Mike Lee's twitter

Interesting. Doubt he's anywhere near the same player he was before the injury, but it can't hurt to give him a shot. Will be in uniform tonight.

TheBigThree wrote:Per Mike Lee's twitter

Interesting. Doubt he's anywhere near the same player he was before the injury, but it can't hurt to give him a shot. Will be in uniform tonight.

Sweet! It's time to bring in Sherman Douglas!

More former Clippers!

Over/under on the date of Livingston's next knee reconstruction?

The pre-injury Livingston (I know...requires some thinking back) was one of the brightest young talents in the league.

I know he's a shell of that player (or what that player could become), but it still could be an interest reclamation project of the off-chance he can recapture a bit of his former potential.

Poor guy, he probably won't even see it coming.

fishercob wrote:More former Clippers!

Over/under on the date of Livingston's next knee reconstruction?

Shoot...I forgot about the organization he was joining.

RIP Shaun Livingston. We hardly knew 'ya.

miller31time wrote:

fishercob wrote:RIP Shaun Livingston. We hardly knew 'ya.

Maybe the bionic knees will actually help him not get injured. We can hope.

I obviously haven't seen him play since his injury, but I feel like even now he might have better slashing ability than any of our guards.

miller31time wrote:The pre-injury Livingston (I know...requires some thinking back) was one of the brightest young talents in the league.

Lot's of people have been on the Livingston bandwagon over the years, but I never understood why. Livingston was really pretty lousy in his first few years. He posted a PER of 10 in his first two seasons, and a PER of 13 in his third. He always had extremely poor offensive efficiency and he didn't produce all that much in points, rebounds or assists either.

If he wasn't tall, I don't think anybody would have talked about him. Here are his pace-adjusted per-36 numbers for his career:

I love it. It's like a dare-to-fail challenge to the medical staff. The masters of misdiagnosis versus the man capable of shattering his skeletal structure by sneezing. True unstoppable force versus immovable object stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1VLN2dlbV0&feature=related

If he's tough enough to come back after that, I want him on our team! I've always been interested in the dude so it'll be fun to see him for if nothing else 10 days.

What I want to know is why Ernie Grunfield still goes after injury-prone players. I think we should learn as a franchise from our past experience to NOT get these types of players. I mean, didn't we just hire Josh Howard, and wasn't he an injury prone player? And look at what happened. Well, I'll wait and see, though, while I think Ernie Grunfield is wising up a bit, I'd like him to be smarter about these types of things.

Gilfanatic123 wrote:What I want to know is why Ernie Grunfield still goes after injury-prone players. I think we should learn as a franchise from our past experience to NOT get these types of players. I mean, didn't we just hire Josh Howard, and wasn't he an injury prone player? And look at what happened. Well, I'll wait and see, though, while I think Ernie Grunfield is wising up a bit, I'd like him to be smarter about these types of things.

The trade for Howard was more than anything a salary dump. Also, Butler was/is just as injury prone as Howard so that is a wash. I don't see any risk in signing Livingston to a 10-day deal. The reward far outweighs the risk. I am just glad to see Ernie being imaginative finally.

I'd be much more interested in Stintson or any of the other D-League players tossed out around here. Livingston was destine to become the Kwame Brown of high school PG's. He was a career no hope. In a way he's lucky that he blew out his knee because now he has a fall back excuse of "he sucks because he blew out his knee" instead of "he sucks because, well, he just does".

Nate's numbers back it up. I was never impressed with him and doubt he gets another 10-day contract.

If Livingston works out well, he could be a good Guard to pair with Arenas. He has the size to guard SGs but is a PG on the offensive end. He also could pair well with Foye who can shoot well, but is undersized to guard SGs.

Agreed, I don't expect much from Livingston as I always thought he was more hype than substance even when healthy, but this is a no risk/high reward type signing.

nate33 wrote:

miller31time wrote:The pre-injury Livingston (I know...requires some thinking back) was one of the brightest young talents in the league.

Lot's of people have been on the Livingston bandwagon over the years, but I never understood why. Livingston was really pretty lousy in his first few years. He posted a PER of 10 in his first two seasons, and a PER of 13 in his third. He always had extremely poor offensive efficiency and he didn't produce all that much in points, rebounds or assists either.

If he wasn't tall, I don't think anybody would have talked about him. Here are his pace-adjusted per-36 numbers for his career:

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livingsto  PTS  REB  AST  STL  BLK   TO eFG%  TS%  PER
2009-10    2.8  5.6  3.6  1.4  0.6  2.2 .313 .313  4.6
2008-09   11.7  3.8  3.2  1.1  0.4  1.6 .527 .555 12.2
2006-07   11.5  4.2  6.2  1.3  0.7  2.5 .469 .503 13.6
2005-06    8.4  4.4  6.5  1.1  0.8  2.6 .428 .460 10.2
2004-05   10.2  4.1  6.9  1.5  0.5  3.4 .414 .461 10.3

I don't know, Nate, 10 pts., 4 boards, 7 assists and 1.5 steals for a guy straight out of high school ain't bad. I don't think those on the Livingston "bandwagon" were wrong...the bandwagon was just derailed by some terrible knee injuries.

I honestly thought this guy's career was over. He was once billed as the second-coming of Penny Hardaway. He got hurt so young, you had to figure there was at least some hope for a come-back. Here's hoping he was working with a competent rehab team, and that the Wizards' trainers keep their leeches and miracle elixirs far away from his fragile knee. Is there any recent footage available of him playing? I'd be really interested to see how much he still has left.

Gilfanatic123 wrote:What I want to know is why Ernie Grunfield still goes after injury-prone players. I think we should learn as a franchise from our past experience to NOT get these types of players. I mean, didn't we just hire Josh Howard, and wasn't he an injury prone player? And look at what happened. Well, I'll wait and see, though, while I think Ernie Grunfield is wising up a bit, I'd like him to be smarter about these types of things.

Arenas, Crit, now Livingston WTF???? It's about fricken time we got another PG but they got the wrong guy. Curtis Stinson in the NBDL or somebody with the potential of staying-on next year. Ernie has lost-it.

Dude's career is OVER. Wizard Med staff salivating in the background.

closg00 wrote:

Gilfanatic123 wrote:What I want to know is why Ernie Grunfield still goes after injury-prone players. I think we should learn as a franchise from our past experience to NOT get these types of players. I mean, didn't we just hire Josh Howard, and wasn't he an injury prone player? And look at what happened. Well, I'll wait and see, though, while I think Ernie Grunfield is wising up a bit, I'd like him to be smarter about these types of things.

Arenas, Crit, now Livingston WTF???? It's about fricken time we got another PG but they got the wrong guy. Curtis Stinson in the NBDL or somebody with the potential of staying-on next year. Ernie has lost-it.

I agree it's likely a waste of time signing him and Stinson probably would have made more sense - but we are talking about just a 10 day contract - it's not a big deal.