Dandridge10: Recap of meeting in owner's box?
Posted: Sun Mar 7, 2010 1:14 am
You said you saw the Bucks game in the box. ANy meaningful insight?
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-- Milt implied EG wanted to trade AJ or Butler last summer with the 5th pick (as I said he should have). Abe basically knew he did not have much time left, and did not want to start over. Abe thought the big 3 could contend. Milt said, "if your boss wants you to do something, you have to do it."
-- To my surprise,Milt blamed most of the Wizards problems, even this year, on Eddie Jordan. Said EJ used to say, "offense wins championships, not defense." Said the players took on that mentality and even Flip couldn't change it. I asked why the organization kept EJ that long if he had that mentality. Milt said they tried to bring in Randy Ayers to counter EJ's thinking. I said that did not make any sense as both head coach and asst. coach should have same philosophy. Milt changed the subject.
-- See Blatche, McGee and Thornton as building blocks. Did not mention anyone else, including Gilbert or NY, which I thought was interesting.
keynote wrote:They didn't know McGee had asthma when they drafted him?! That's incredible. What kind of physical do the Wizards put their prospects through if they can't find out basic information like that?
Pollinator wrote:keynote wrote:They didn't know McGee had asthma when they drafted him?! That's incredible. What kind of physical do the Wizards put their prospects through if they can't find out basic information like that?
Not normally one to defend the Wizards medical team, but there are some guys that have asthma in some parts of the country and don't have it in others- so maybe he didn't have it on the West coast and midwest where he had been. And the mid-Atlantic is a high pollin count (no pun intended) area where asthma is a problem. So MAYBE he developed the asthma AFTER he got here.
Then again, 1 1/2 years does seem a bit long to diagnose a kid with fatigue and shortness of breath with asthma...
dandridge 10 wrote:-- Wizards want to be patient in rebuilding. Said even though they have lots of money to work with, they don't feel as though "money is burning hole in pocket." Very well could wait until next year to be active in free agency. Although may spend some money on some vets to come in and help teach youngsters, Wiz not planning to spend large chunks of money on people that do not fit in long range plans to build contender. I suggested using money to get back picks and young prospects with some "bad contracts." Said that was a possibility, but don't want too much young players. Milt said there needs to be "balance." I raised OK City as example and Milt said Ok City also had a lot of luck.
dandridge 10 wrote:-- See Blatche, McGee and Thornton as building blocks. Did not mention anyone else, including Gilbert or NY, which I thought was interesting.
dandridge 10 wrote:-- They do not plan on hiring big man coach to help with McGee, Blatche, etc. Gene Banks is doing it now and they are happy with him. I asked if he was serious, and Milt said he was. Milt said you don't have to be 7 ft to teach proper fundamentals. Said Haywood credits Banks for a lot of his improvement.
-- Said Blatche and McGee have become different persons since the trade. Wiz have always kept track of hours in the weight room. Blatche and McGee used to have lowest, but now lead all players. Milt said he wonders, "why the f*ck they didn't do it before, but happy they are doing it now."
dandridge 10 wrote:-- Milt said that most of McGee's issues have been with conditioning. A few weeks ago during a practice, Milt saw McGee doubled over and said to Ernie, "he is either a p*ssy or there is something serious wrong with him." They did some tests and apparently he has serious asthma. He said his conditioning and play has been much better since on the asthma medicine. I didn't ask, but I was really wondering how the organization or McGee didn't know he had asthma.
dandridge 10 wrote:-- I asked why couldn't pry more from Dallas on Butler and Haywood trade. Milt said Ernie tried to get Boubois but Cuban said no. I told Milt I would have held out longer for Boubois or draft pick and I would have told Cuban this is the only trade that he was going to get to contend so he had to give up something of value. Milt said that there were people in the organization who were pushing EG to do that, but EG ultimately did not want to lose the deal and pulled the trigger.
dandridge 10 wrote:-- To my surprise,Milt blamed most of the Wizards problems, even this year, on Eddie Jordan. Said EJ used to say, "offense wins championships, not defense." Said the players took on that mentality and even Flip couldn't change it. I asked why the organization kept EJ that long if he had that mentality. Milt said they tried to bring in Randy Ayers to counter EJ's thinking. I said that did not make any sense as both head coach and asst. coach should have same philosophy. Milt changed the subject.
dandridge 10 wrote:-- Milt implied EG wanted to trade AJ or Butler last summer with the 5th pick (as I said he should have). Abe basically knew he did not have much time left, and did not want to start over. Abe thought the big 3 could contend. Milt said, "if your boss wants you to do something, you have to do it."
dandridge 10 wrote:-- Milt noted that he was tired of talking about Gil, so I did not press him on the issue. However, I overheard him telling some other season ticket holders that the organization is taking a wait and see approach, based on sentencing etc. Still believes Gil is a great player, but don't know whether he will fit in or not with the direction they are taking.
- If Wiz get #1 pick, will take John Wall hands down. Also like Turner and Cousins.
-- Milt does not know where things stand on ownership change. Said "I just hope I keep my job."
dandridge 10 wrote:I might remember a few other points as well, but the above were the things that stuck out. Overall, I enjoyed my time in the box. I can tell you one thing...I did not miss watching the game!
If I think of anything else, I'll add it when it comes to mind.
dandridge 10 wrote:-- They do not plan on hiring big man coach to help with McGee, Blatche, etc. Gene Banks is doing it now and they are happy with him. I asked if he was serious, and Milt said he was. Milt said you don't have to be 7 ft to teach proper fundamentals. Said Haywood credits Banks for a lot of his improvement.
Pollinator wrote:keynote wrote:They didn't know McGee had asthma when they drafted him?! That's incredible. What kind of physical do the Wizards put their prospects through if they can't find out basic information like that?
Not normally one to defend the Wizards medical team, but there are some guys that have asthma in some parts of the country and don't have it in others- so maybe he didn't have it on the West coast and midwest where he had been. And the mid-Atlantic is a high pollin count (no pun intended) area where asthma is a problem. So MAYBE he developed the asthma AFTER he got here.
Then again, 1 1/2 years does seem a bit long to diagnose a kid with fatigue and shortness of breath with asthma...
closg00 wrote:Ernie should still be fired, it's not even close.
Wizards2Lottery wrote:closg00 wrote:Ernie should still be fired, it's not even close.
Won't happen most likely. Ernie is a lot like George McPhee. The parallels are too similar and Ted decided to stick with McPhee and let him prove himself. Ernie will at least be given a chance.
Wizards2Lottery wrote:closg00 wrote:Ernie should still be fired, it's not even close.
Won't happen most likely. Ernie is a lot like George McPhee. The parallels are too similar and Ted decided to stick with McPhee and let him prove himself. Ernie will at least be given a chance.
nate33 wrote:Great stuff, Dandridge!
Lot's of encouraging news here. It's hard to be sure how much of it is 20/20 hindsight CYA and how much of it is legit, but nevertheless, I'm glad to hear this message.
Basically, Abe wanted to keep the band together when the rest of the staff was ready to blow it up last year. I think that sounds about right. Most of us on this board were able to recognize that we didn't have a championship contender, so it's not hard to believe that EG and his staff didn't think so either.
It's real encouraging to hear how hard the young bigs are working. The asthma thing is interesting, but I'm not sure if it's a game-changer. From what I can tell, McGee never appears to have a serious lack of conditioning or energy when he plays. His problems aren't physical. They're mental. Maybe the asthma medicine will help him play more minutes, but it's not going to help him play better post defense. The kid still needs to learn the game.
The one other question I wish could have been asked was whether or not management believed resigning Haywood was a possibility. If he was a certain goner and everyone in the league knew it, then I can see why we got raped on that Dallas deal so badly.
dandridge 10 wrote:-- Wizards want to be patient in rebuilding. Said even though they have lots of money to work with, they don't feel as though "money is burning hole in pocket." Very well could wait until next year to be active in free agency. Although may spend some money on some vets to come in and help teach youngsters, Wiz not planning to spend large chunks of money on people that do not fit in long range plans to build contender. I suggested using money to get back picks and young prospects with some "bad contracts." Said that was a possibility, but don't want too much young players. Milt said there needs to be "balance." I raised OK City as example and Milt said Ok City also had a lot of luck.
-- See Blatche, McGee and Thornton as building blocks. Did not mention anyone else, including Gilbert or NY, which I thought was interesting.
-- They do not plan on hiring big man coach to help with McGee, Blatche, etc. Gene Banks is doing it now and they are happy with him. I asked if he was serious, and Milt said he was. Milt said you don't have to be 7 ft to teach proper fundamentals. Said Haywood credits Banks for a lot of his improvement.
-- Said Blatche and McGee have become different persons since the trade. Wiz have always kept track of hours in the weight room. Blatche and McGee used to have lowest, but now lead all players. Milt said he wonders, "why the f*ck they didn't do it before, but happy they are doing it now."
-- Milt said that most of McGee's issues have been with conditioning. A few weeks ago during a practice, Milt saw McGee doubled over and said to Ernie, "he is either a p*ssy or there is something serious wrong with him." They did some tests and apparently he has serious asthma. He said his conditioning and play has been much better since on the asthma medicine. I didn't ask, but I was really wondering how the organization or McGee didn't know he had asthma.
-- McGee was most sought after player leading up to the trade deadline. Organization basically saw him as untouchable and still sees him as a future multiple all-star. However, doubt he will fill out much more in frame.
-- Organization excited about Blatche, but still taking a wait and see approach. Needs to continue to be consistent.
-- I asked why couldn't pry more from Dallas on Butler and Haywood trade. Milt said Ernie tried to get Boubois but Cuban said no. I told Milt I would have held out longer for Boubois or draft pick and I would have told Cuban this is the only trade that he was going to get to contend so he had to give up something of value. Milt said that there were people in the organization who were pushing EG to do that, but EG ultimately did not want to lose the deal and pulled the trigger.
-- To my surprise,Milt blamed most of the Wizards problems, even this year, on Eddie Jordan. Said EJ used to say, "offense wins championships, not defense." Said the players took on that mentality and even Flip couldn't change it. I asked why the organization kept EJ that long if he had that mentality. Milt said they tried to bring in Randy Ayers to counter EJ's thinking. I said that did not make any sense as both head coach and asst. coach should have same philosophy. Milt changed the subject.
-- Milt implied EG wanted to trade AJ or Butler last summer with the 5th pick (as I said he should have). Abe basically knew he did not have much time left, and did not want to start over. Abe thought the big 3 could contend. Milt said, "if your boss wants you to do something, you have to do it."
-- Milt noted that he was tired of talking about Gil, so I did not press him on the issue. However, I overheard him telling some other season ticket holders that the organization is taking a wait and see approach, based on sentencing etc. Still believes Gil is a great player, but don't know whether he will fit in or not with the direction they are taking.
- If Wiz get #1 pick, will take John Wall hands down. Also like Turner and Cousins.
I might remember a few other points as well, but the above were the things that stuck out. Overall, I enjoyed my time in the box. I can tell you one thing...I did not miss watching the game!
If I think of anything else, I'll add it when it comes to mind.