Thoughts on McDermott's Transition to NBA?

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Post#61 » by MojoPharoah » Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:17 am

sipclip wrote:The guy is a lot more athletic than some of you are making him out to be. He is obviously not high flyer but he can move his feet and his shooting ability will open up his driving game.


Not enough to play the 3 or 4 in the NBA. Teams will put him on an island and destroy him on the regular on D. Offensively, most NBA forwards have the athleticism to easily press up on his jumper and recover to snuff his drive. Then what? He's forced to take an awkward shot over a longer defender or to pass it out for a reset.

Not exactly the stuff of legit NBA scorers there.
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Post#62 » by DanTown8587 » Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:22 am

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sipclip wrote:The guy is a lot more athletic than some of you are making him out to be. He is obviously not high flyer but he can move his feet and his shooting ability will open up his driving game.


Not enough to play the 3 or 4 in the NBA. Teams will put him on an island and destroy him on the regular on D. Offensively, most NBA forwards have the athleticism to easily press up on his jumper and recover to snuff his drive. Then what? He's forced to take an awkward shot over a longer defender or to pass it out for a reset.

Not exactly the stuff of legit NBA scorers there.


Really? What teams have multiple ball handlers at the 3/4 spot where McDermott would have to guard a very elite scorer over some other defender? He's going to go late lottery/mid first, that sounds like a 7th-8th man or potential starter.

I mean why can't he have a career like a Jared Dudley?
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Re: Thoughts on McDermott's Transition to NBA? 

Post#63 » by MojoPharoah » Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:22 am

giberish wrote:I think he'll be an effective player.

He moves very well without the ball. This is huge as there's 5 guys and only 1 ball. A lot of college stars who disappoint in the NBA are used to having the ball in their hands a lot and can't adjust to be useful in secondary offensive roles. McDermott is going to help his team's offense even when he's only a 2nd or 3rd option mostly working off the ball.

Defensively, most NBA defensive value is executing team defense. There's no reason to believe that he can't or won't be able to effectively work in NBA team defensive schemes. Like most college stars, there's no proof that he can either so this will be a big factor in how effective he'll be - but again that's an uncertainty with most draft picks. 1 on 1 isolation offense (either from the perimeter or the post) is generally low efficiency, especially so when a 4th or 5th option sees a weak defender on them and tries to act like a star.

Overall he'll probably be a 4th to 7th best player on a good team (low-end starter or high-end reserve). As many reserve units are weak on offense he's a bit more likely to come off the bench (both to bolster his team's bench offense and to have easier defensive matchups).


Its not just iso-Defense where he'll get exposed. The NBA is a PnR league, and if he's playing the 4, his team's D will get exposed by his inability to handle the PnR ballhandler in space. He'd have to sag off like a slow big, but he lacks the length to contest shots either.

IMO, he's a bench scorer at best.
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Post#64 » by Clyde Frazier » Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:32 am

bah humbug wrote:He's trash. Poor defender and limited offensively. Good catch and shoot off player but can't shoot off the dribble and has garbage handles. Too slow to play the 3 and to small for the 4. Steve Novak with a decent inside game


I'd say you're negatively exaggerating his inability to perform at the next level. Novak is a guy who can't even get down the 1 dribble fake to side step / step in jumper. I'd say mcdermott has a better feel for the game and would be able to score in more ways overall.
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Post#65 » by MojoPharoah » Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:59 am

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sipclip wrote:The guy is a lot more athletic than some of you are making him out to be. He is obviously not high flyer but he can move his feet and his shooting ability will open up his driving game.


Not enough to play the 3 or 4 in the NBA. Teams will put him on an island and destroy him on the regular on D. Offensively, most NBA forwards have the athleticism to easily press up on his jumper and recover to snuff his drive. Then what? He's forced to take an awkward shot over a longer defender or to pass it out for a reset.

Not exactly the stuff of legit NBA scorers there.


Really? What teams have multiple ball handlers at the 3/4 spot where McDermott would have to guard a very elite scorer over some other defender? He's going to go late lottery/mid first, that sounds like a 7th-8th man or potential starter.

I mean why can't he have a career like a Jared Dudley?


Jared Dudley can adequately defend multiple positions, that would be why. Dudley has the length and agility to guard both wing spots and some stretch-4 types. McDermott, otoh, is a 6'8" undersized PF with slow feet and a short wingspan; that makes him an easy target for virtually every starting caliber forward.

As far as teams that start scoring forwards at both spots that would create total mismatches against McDermott, you'd probably be better off asking what teams don't. He lacks the foot quickness to guard almost every 3 on the perimeter and lacks the length and strength to defend against most 4s in the post. The starting forwards for every Eastern conference team except possibly PHI, CHA & MIL are all capable of exploiting McDermott either off the bounce in space &/or in the post.

Let's take CHI, for instance. If McDermott were starting vs CHI, that would mean he would have to guard either Butler or Boozer/Gibson, one kills him off the dribble, the other pair beat him on the block. WAS would mean he'd have to guard Nene or Webster/Ariza, one would post him, the other 2 blow by him off the wing. TOR would mean he'd guard either TRoss or Amir, both could drive by him with ease. BOS would mean he'd guard either Green or Sullinger, Green could blow by him or shoot over the top while Sully would overpower him and shoot over his length.
ORL would mean Afflalo/Oladipo & Tobias Harris; all of whom would blow past him.

He could hide against PHI on guys like Hollis Thompson or Elliot Williams, but each has the athleticism to get past him off cuts and handoffs. He'd get killed having to guard Thad Young though, or Turner before he was traded. He could guard Ilyasova in MIL, but would be in trouble if they played Middleton & Butler together.

And this is just in isolation. McDermott would also be an issue needing to defend against PnR. He lacks the ability to hedge or trap, because there would be almost no way he'd be able to move his feet fast enough to prevent a guard from turning the corner around him. So that means he'd have to drop a la Hibbert, but he lacks the length to contest shots, so he'd be allowing easy pull-ups and possible blow-bys if he steps up at all.

Those things, in concert, make him a bench scorer, because he is too exploitable to play starter's minutes on a team that cares about D. However, if he plays for D'Antoni or someone like that, then he'd likely start, but the team would go almost nowhere.
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Post#66 » by Bisonbull8 » Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:14 am

Dude is gonna be legit. Hope the Bulls draft him. Can definitely be a starter one day in the right system. If he was the SF with Rose Butler Taj and Noah, he would be perfectly fine. Most underrated prospect in the draft. Did work in USA basketball against nba players already
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Post#67 » by E-Balla » Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:37 am

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GC Pantalones wrote:He'll be a top 5 player in this draft. Book it.


Absolutely disagree. He cannot defend at the NBA level against either forward spot and his rebounding is not good enough to really be a starting quality 4 unless he were playing next to Prime D12 anyway. He's a great college player, but he'll be at best a rotation player on a good NBA team, or a starter on a mediocre/bad team.

Doug is leading the top team in the Big East while averaging 26/7/2 on 64 TS. He has 52/44/90 shooting splits and he makes everything (he shot 49% from deep the last 2 seasons). He can't suck if he makes everything.

I learned my lesson with Steph Curry when it comes to players like this.
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Post#68 » by AustinRiversGod » Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:51 am

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Post#69 » by jrap90 » Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:03 am

Doug gets buckets. Give him an inch of space, and he's strokin'. Defenders will be forced to close out on his outside jumper...pump fake and he's in the lane.

But yea, zero defensive upside.
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Post#70 » by Ice Trae » Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:39 am

i like the today's paul pierce comparison that a poster made in here. He's slow but crafty enough to get to the basket.
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Post#71 » by MojoPharoah » Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:42 am

GC Pantalones wrote:
MojoPharoah wrote:
GC Pantalones wrote:He'll be a top 5 player in this draft. Book it.


Absolutely disagree. He cannot defend at the NBA level against either forward spot and his rebounding is not good enough to really be a starting quality 4 unless he were playing next to Prime D12 anyway. He's a great college player, but he'll be at best a rotation player on a good NBA team, or a starter on a mediocre/bad team.

Doug is leading the top team in the Big East while averaging 26/7/2 on 64 TS. He has 52/44/90 shooting splits and he makes everything (he shot 49% from deep the last 2 seasons). He can't suck if he makes everything.

I learned my lesson with Steph Curry when it comes to players like this.


Steph Curry is a significantly better athlete who presented a viable triple threat capability. The only question was whether or not he had enough point guard skills to play the position his size dictated, which he eventually proved. Curry has enough quickness to be able to drive by any one overplaying him.

McDermott, otoh, won't be able to drive past practically any wing in the league, even if they are tight on his J. They can contest his shot while closing any drive lane. There are a lot of 4s that should be able to handle him off the bounce. He lacks the length to be able to post most NBA quality forwards.

Plus, its much easier to hide weak perimeter defenders than it is to hide frontcourt liabilities. The sheer plethora of 3&D specialists that do nothing but hide on the wings and corners on a lot of teams makes it MUCH easier to hide a Curry, or Nash or Harden, vs somebody like Love or Melo or Sullinger or Boozer.

That makes him into a stretch-4 who can come off screens, basically a Kyle Korver meets Rashard Lewis type, essentially a rich man's Steve Novak. That is not a starter on any team that does not have an absolute monster at the 5.
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Post#72 » by bullsnewdynasty » Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:47 am

He'll be a Mike Dunleavy type.
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Post#73 » by FutureKnicksGM » Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:58 am

I think he will be a Steve Blake/Spencer Hawes type
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Post#74 » by Th3RaptorSwag » Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:58 am

Lol you guys are sleeping on him.

He'll be a dominant NBA player and future allstar
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Post#75 » by DoubleLintendre » Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:29 am

Kyle Korver with more offensive tools, ability to create space and get a shot off. Defensively a welcome mat. Likely he'll have to be a shooting specialist, a spot up shooter you have to really to put in at the right times because he's going to be very flawed.
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Post#76 » by Clyde Frazier » Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:52 am

Your game doesn’t compare to guys that preceded you, because let’s face it, it’s unorthodox. What’s your reaction to that?

I hear it all the time and I take pride in having a different game than anyone else. Some people compare my game to Wally Szczerbiak, but I don’t really remember him and he’s more of a 2-guard and small forward. I can’t really think of anyone else I’ve heard. I can’t come up with anyone, either.

Who do you get excited to watch?

I love watching Dirk (Nowitzki). He’s a 7-footer, but I still try and take some things from his game — leaners and floaters off one foot. I love watching Paul Pierce. He’s not the most athletic guy, but he’s so effective.


This was from october 2012.

http://athlonsports.com/college-basketb ... -mcdermott

Annnd now I feel old with him saying he doesn't really remember wally. Just for argument's sake: this is what wally put up in his prime (00-01 to 04-05):

~17 PPG, 4 RPG, 3 APG, .6 SPG
~49% FG, 41% 3 PT, 86% FT, 58% TS, 113/108 OFF/DEF RTG

Wally was more athletic than mcdermott, though.
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Post#77 » by dorkestra » Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:23 am

The Bulls have two first round picks which are likely due to be mid-teens. I guess it is possible that someone takes him before then, but otherwise, I see him going to Chicago, which actually makes a lot of sense as they have good team defense (might be able to mask his shortcomings) and also need scoring/offense in a major way.
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Post#78 » by BrooklynBulls » Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:26 am

dorkestra wrote:The Bulls have two first round picks which are likely due to be mid-teens. I guess it is possible that someone takes him before then, but otherwise, I see him going to Chicago, which actually makes a lot of sense as they have good team defense (might be able to mask his shortcomings) and also need scoring/offense in a major way.


We have a player in a very similar mold in Mirotic with what seems to be higher perceived upside. Unless we don't think he's coming over or that McDermott is a surefire allstar, I don't see the Bulls taking him.
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Post#79 » by dorkestra » Mon Feb 24, 2014 12:16 pm

BrooklynBulls wrote:
dorkestra wrote:The Bulls have two first round picks which are likely due to be mid-teens. I guess it is possible that someone takes him before then, but otherwise, I see him going to Chicago, which actually makes a lot of sense as they have good team defense (might be able to mask his shortcomings) and also need scoring/offense in a major way.


We have a player in a very similar mold in Mirotic with what seems to be higher perceived upside. Unless we don't think he's coming over or that McDermott is a surefire allstar, I don't see the Bulls taking him.


True, if Mirotic does come over this year, McDermott wouldn't make much sense. The Grizzlies could potentially be a fit.
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Post#80 » by Gilles » Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:05 pm

Steals+blocks per game per 40 minutes in college:
Redick - 1.4
Korver - 2.6
Parsons - 3.0
McDermott - 0.4
Babbit - 1.9
Novak - 0.9
Morrison - 1.3
Fredette - 1.4
Even if he won't get completely over-matched athletically, the team, that drafts him, will have to wait 2-3 years for him to adjust.

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