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What went wrong for Cal and Kentucky?

Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:31 am
by DeathLineup
What went wrong for Cal and Kentucky? They used to be the recruiting powerhouse. They used to have all the nation top recruits. Now they basically have nothing. Duke led by Coach K is the new recruiting powerhouse.

2009
    Duke: No top 10 recruits
    Kentucky: John Wall (#1), DeMarcus Cousins (#2)
2010
    Duke: Kyrie Irving (#4)
    Kentucky: Enes Kanter (#3), Brandon Knight (#6)
2011
    Duke: Austin Rivers (#1)
    Kentucky: Anthony Davis (#2), Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (#3), Marquis Teague (#5)
2012
    Duke: No top 10 recruits
    Kentucky: Nerlens Noel (#2), Alex Poythress (#8)
2013
    Duke: Jabari Parker (#4)
    Kentucky: Julius Randle (#2), Andrew Harrison (#5), Aaron Harrison (#7), Dakari Johnson (#9)
2014
    Duke: Jahlil Okafor (#1), Tyus Jones (#7)
    Kentucky: Karl-Anthony Towns (#4)
2015
    Duke: Brandon Ingram (#4)
    Kentucky: Skal Labissiere (#1), Jamal Murray (#9), Isaiah Briscoe (#10)
2016
    Duke: Harry Giles (#2), Jayson Tatum (#3)
    Kentucky: De'Aaron Fox (#6), Bam Adebayo (#7), Malik Monk (#9)
2017
    Duke: Marvin Bagley III (#2), Trevon Duval (#5), Wendell Carter (#7)
    Kentucky: Kevin Knox (#10)
2018
    Duke: R.J. Barrett (#1), Zion Williamson (#2), Cam Reddish (#3)
    Kentucky: No top 10 recruits

Re: What went wrong for Cal and Kentucky?

Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:50 am
by macNcheese3
Duke, happened.

Re: What went wrong for Cal and Kentucky?

Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:20 am
by Hook_Em
DeathLineup wrote:What went wrong for Cal and Kentucky? They used to be the recruiting powerhouse. They used to have all the nation top recruits. Now they basically have nothing. Duke led by Coach K is the new recruiting powerhouse.

2018
    Duke: R.J. Barrett (#1), Zion Williamson (#2), Cam Reddish (#3)
    Kentucky: No top 10 recruits
2017
    Duke: Marvin Bagley III (#2), Trevon Duval (#5), Wendell Carter (#7)
    Kentucky: Kevin Knox (#10)
2016
    Duke: Harry Giles (#2), Jayson Tatum (#3)
    Kentucky: De'Aaron Fox (#6), Bam Adebayo (#7), Malik Monk (#9)


Yet Duke has nothing to show for those recruiting titles. You need experienced players along with one and dones.

Re: What went wrong for Cal and Kentucky?

Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:24 am
by Jakay
I think "I've coached the best NBA players in the Olympics a few times now" happened.

Re: What went wrong for Cal and Kentucky?

Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:46 am
by 76ciology
Lie low because of the investigation. They’ll be back

Re: What went wrong for Cal and Kentucky?

Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:41 am
by Kalela
76ciology wrote:Lie low because of the investigation. They’ll be back


:lol: Yup.

Re: What went wrong for Cal and Kentucky?

Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:06 am
by LibertyPrime
Frank Kaminsky.

Yes, I know what the question is, but dammit..... Frank Kaminsky.

Re: What went wrong for Cal and Kentucky?

Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:38 am
by ProcessMeUpFam
Duke has larger budget for the slush fund lol

Re: What went wrong for Cal and Kentucky?

Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:00 pm
by Big Mac Biyombo
Hook_Em wrote:
DeathLineup wrote:What went wrong for Cal and Kentucky? They used to be the recruiting powerhouse. They used to have all the nation top recruits. Now they basically have nothing. Duke led by Coach K is the new recruiting powerhouse.

2018
    Duke: R.J. Barrett (#1), Zion Williamson (#2), Cam Reddish (#3)
    Kentucky: No top 10 recruits
2017
    Duke: Marvin Bagley III (#2), Trevon Duval (#5), Wendell Carter (#7)
    Kentucky: Kevin Knox (#10)
2016
    Duke: Harry Giles (#2), Jayson Tatum (#3)
    Kentucky: De'Aaron Fox (#6), Bam Adebayo (#7), Malik Monk (#9)


Yet Duke has nothing to show for those recruiting titles. You need experienced players along with one and dones.

2014:
Jahlil Okafor (#1)
Tyus Jones (#8)
Justise Winslow (#13)
Grayson Allen (#26)

National championship in their first year.

Re: What went wrong for Cal and Kentucky?

Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:12 pm
by PRESTIGE
Doesn’t matter because once high schoolers are allowed back in the draft, both schools will be back to signing second rate players.

Re: What went wrong for Cal and Kentucky?

Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:13 pm
by Dominater
Coach K found where the bodies are buried

Re: What went wrong for Cal and Kentucky?

Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:33 pm
by NBAFan93
I think it’s more about Dukes rise than Kentucky’s fall. Something is going on at Duke that wasn’t before. Could be a policy change, maybe something shady, or maybe they just got legit better at recruiting - who knows.

Re: What went wrong for Cal and Kentucky?

Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:54 pm
by Chuck Everett
Jeff Capel left Duke, so it will be interesting to see if their recruiting stays to that level.

Re: What went wrong for Cal and Kentucky?

Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:06 pm
by tondi123
Yeah it will be a mute issue in a couple of years which is when all these big money recruiters who couldn't coach their way out of a paper bag will hang them up.

Re: What went wrong for Cal and Kentucky?

Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:21 pm
by fa2011
Bagman just taking his bags on a little vacay ...

Re: What went wrong for Cal and Kentucky?

Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:26 pm
by theonlyclutch
Duke remembered that it's a private university with five times the endowment of UK, and is also not plagued by state budget cuts.

Re: What went wrong for Cal and Kentucky?

Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:54 pm
by DeathLineup
76ciology wrote:Lie low because of the investigation. They’ll be back

Damn. This might be the real reason of Kentucky's fall.

Cal is a smart, smart man.

Re: What went wrong for Cal and Kentucky?

Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:54 pm
by DeathLineup
LibertyPrime wrote:Frank Kaminsky.

Yes, I know what the question is, but dammit..... Frank Kaminsky.

Dude, you good?

Re: What went wrong for Cal and Kentucky?

Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 3:08 pm
by MotownMadness
DeathLineup wrote:What went wrong for Cal and Kentucky? They used to be the recruiting powerhouse. They used to have all the nation top recruits. Now they basically have nothing. Duke led by Coach K is the new recruiting powerhouse.

2009
    Duke: No top 10 recruits
    Kentucky: John Wall (#1), DeMarcus Cousins (#2)
2010
    Duke: Kyrie Irving (#4)
    Kentucky: Enes Kanter (#3), Brandon Knight (#6)
2011
    Duke: Austin Rivers (#1)
    Kentucky: Anthony Davis (#2), Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (#3), Marquis Teague (#5)
2012
    Duke: No top 10 recruits
    Kentucky: Nerlens Noel (#2), Alex Poythress (#8)
2013
    Duke: Jabari Parker (#4)
    Kentucky: Julius Randle (#2), Andrew Harrison (#5), Aaron Harrison (#7), Dakari Johnson (#9)
2014
    Duke: Jahlil Okafor (#1), Tyus Jones (#7)
    Kentucky: Karl-Anthony Towns (#4), Jamal Murray (#9), Isaiah Briscoe (#10)
2015
    Duke: Brandon Ingram (#4)
    Kentucky: Skal Labissiere (#1), Jamal Murray (#9), Isaiah Briscoe (#10)
2016
    Duke: Harry Giles (#2), Jayson Tatum (#3)
    Kentucky: De'Aaron Fox (#6), Bam Adebayo (#7), Malik Monk (#9)
2017
    Duke: Marvin Bagley III (#2), Trevon Duval (#5), Wendell Carter (#7)
    Kentucky: Kevin Knox (#10)
2018
    Duke: R.J. Barrett (#1), Zion Williamson (#2), Cam Reddish (#3)
    Kentucky: No top 10 recruits

Wasn’t Drummond ranked #1 coming in that year?

Re: What went wrong for Cal and Kentucky?

Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 3:08 pm
by Dunham32
I feel like Duke and Coach K used to have some type of unwritten rule about not wanting one-and-dones and trying to build a consistent culture.

Then Kyrie kind of broke that mold and Coach K realized it wasn’t as big a deal as he thought it would be as long as his entire team isn’t made up of one-and-dones. Once Duke was more open to those type of players they wanted to play with a coach who has coached the best nba players and has their respect