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Re: Zion - The only one that matters

Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 7:05 pm
by Funcrusher
Johnny Bball wrote:
Funcrusher wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:
They're the most overrated pair I have ever seen at this point. So no, guess again.

Lol comparing him to James, It's just **** hilarious. :lol:


Yeah, stick to your day job, bud, you're out of you're element here.

It's an insult to compare him to other great prospects because...


You just accused me of overrating Barrett, then rated Zion as one of the greatest prospects ever? Are you even old enough to have a day job? That's a rhetorical question.

To argue that Zion isn't a great prospect, and that he isn't approaching an elite tier in that regard makes it clear you don't know what you're talking about. And then the old age retort, you're really precious. Are you smarter than a fifth grader? That's a rhetorical question.

Re: Zion - The only one that matters

Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 7:12 pm
by Patches Perry
stoo wrote:
Patches Perry wrote:
stoo wrote:I am saying... imagine you got Lebron 15 years back... There is a big chance your team wins championship... and sells tons of merchandise


Zion belongs nowhere near LeBron in terms of surefire prospects. He is probably more Blake Griffin.


Why not... I don't believe you have to be the same type of player, but same type of influencer... There are a lot of people around predicting Zion is the next big thing (with difference to all other next big things being "he is different"... and that's why I noted Zion and not Barret)... Not everybody 15 years back predicted Lebron the next big thing (though it was close :) ), but not significantly lesser amount of people (including basketball proffesionals) are saying similar thing about Zion today


Zion is uniquely athletic, but any evaluation of basketball skills should tell he is not on the same planet as an 18 year old LeBron James.

Re: Zion - The only one that matters

Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 7:16 pm
by stoo
Patches Perry wrote:
stoo wrote:
Patches Perry wrote:
Zion belongs nowhere near LeBron in terms of surefire prospects. He is probably more Blake Griffin.


Why not... I don't believe you have to be the same type of player, but same type of influencer... There are a lot of people around predicting Zion is the next big thing (with difference to all other next big things being "he is different"... and that's why I noted Zion and not Barret)... Not everybody 15 years back predicted Lebron the next big thing (though it was close :) ), but not significantly lesser amount of people (including basketball proffesionals) are saying similar thing about Zion today


Zion is uniquely athletic, but any evaluation of basketball skills should tell he is not on the same planet as an 18 year old LeBron James.


That is true... But he has way cooler name

Re: Zion - The only one that matters

Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 7:21 pm
by Patches Perry
Funcrusher wrote:
Patches Perry wrote:
stoo wrote:I am saying... imagine you got Lebron 15 years back... There is a big chance your team wins championship... and sells tons of merchandise


Zion belongs nowhere near LeBron in terms of surefire prospects. He is probably more Blake Griffin.

He's closer to the AD/KD/Oden tier of prospect than he is to Griffin, who wasn't a OAD.


The overall point is that this is not a once in 10-15 years prospect. Its a once in 2-3 years prospect at best.

Re: Zion - The only one that matters

Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 7:25 pm
by Funcrusher
Patches Perry wrote:
Funcrusher wrote:
Patches Perry wrote:
Zion belongs nowhere near LeBron in terms of surefire prospects. He is probably more Blake Griffin.

He's closer to the AD/KD/Oden tier of prospect than he is to Griffin, who wasn't a OAD.


The overall point is that this is not a once in 10-15 years prospect. Its a once in 2-3 years prospect at best.

I disagree, Zion's not LeBron but he's also not simply a unique athlete. He's closer to present day Blake Griffin in terms of skillset, while being more athletic than any iteration of Blake. He absolutely is a once in 10-15 years prospect.

Re: Zion - The only one that matters

Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:35 pm
by JockItch43
Just the fact that we’ve never seen a prospect with his athletic ability at his unique size makes him a once in a lifetime prospect. Now what that develops into at the NBA level is up for debate.

Re: Zion - The only one that matters

Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:42 am
by Duke4life831
He's not LeBron level prospect, I think that's clear. I also think it's too early to put him in the KD/AD/Oden level of prospect as well. We have to remember the majority of his games so far are against horrible teams.

He has looked fantastic against the top tier teams so far the few times he has played them. But it's been a small sample so far. If he can keep up close to this level of play, I think it will be hard not to put him in the AD/KD/Oden level of prospect.

Re: Zion - The only one that matters

Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2018 11:34 pm
by bwgood77
A once in a 10-15 or 2-3 year prospect. You mean in the type of prospect or type of impact? I mean this past year we had Luka who I'd rather have on my team than Zion.

Re: Zion - The only one that matters

Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 2:09 am
by Funcrusher
bwgood77 wrote:A once in a 10-15 or 2-3 year prospect. You mean in the type of prospect or type of impact? I mean this past year we had Luka who I'd rather have on my team than Zion.

I would say Luka's a really great prospect and definitely not a 2-3 year guy. With that being said, I'm still not sure he's generational and would for sure rather have Zion, who is trending toward generational status IMO.

Re: Zion - The only one that matters

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:40 am
by Von Bismarck
Funcrusher wrote:I would say Luka's a really great prospect and definitely not a 2-3 year guy. With that being said, I'm still not sure he's generational and would for sure rather have Zion, who is trending toward generational status IMO.


So, you'd rather have an athletic freak from college, who might be a star, but also a bust, than already a star in this league? Luka puts 20-6-5 on 37% from 3pt line at the age of 19. Lulz.

Re: Zion - The only one that matters

Posted: Wed Jan 9, 2019 6:11 pm
by ric munchn
This guy is awesome! Obviously Lebron was a better prospect but even Lebron developed way more than anyone thought, so its an unfair bar. One of the best prospects ever who turned into one of the best players ever. Zion is freaking electric, he will sell out every stadium next year, and be must see probably more than any rookie since Lebron. Id say if he turns into Blake Griffin thats a great thing for him, who know maybe he will be even better but not every player is Lebron or Jordan.

Re: Zion - The only one that matters

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 7:01 am
by afarmenian
ric munchn wrote:This guy is awesome! Obviously Lebron was a better prospect but even Lebron developed way more than anyone thought, so its an unfair bar. One of the best prospects ever who turned into one of the best players ever. Zion is freaking electric, he will sell out every stadium next year, and be must see probably more than any rookie since Lebron. Id say if he turns into Blake Griffin thats a great thing for him, who know maybe he will be even better but not every player is Lebron or Jordan.


I think Blake Griffin just in terms of the sheer physical gravity is a great comp. Everyone knew that Blake was so powerful and just polished enough that barring injury he would come in as a force. Thats the way people should start looking at Zion. There is zero chance an injury free Zion is going to be bust. 7 footers are going to be getting out of his way next years its going to be fun to watch.

Re: Zion - The only one that matters

Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:27 pm
by prophet_of_rage
JockItch43 wrote:Just the fact that we’ve never seen a prospect with his athletic ability at his unique size makes him a once in a lifetime prospect. Now what that develops into at the NBA level is up for debate.
We saw it in Lebron, LJ, Barkley...

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Re: Zion - The only one that matters

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:42 am
by KLS
stoo wrote:
Patches Perry wrote:
stoo wrote:
Why not... I don't believe you have to be the same type of player, but same type of influencer... There are a lot of people around predicting Zion is the next big thing (with difference to all other next big things being "he is different"... and that's why I noted Zion and not Barret)... Not everybody 15 years back predicted Lebron the next big thing (though it was close :) ), but not significantly lesser amount of people (including basketball proffesionals) are saying similar thing about Zion today


Zion is uniquely athletic, but any evaluation of basketball skills should tell he is not on the same planet as an 18 year old LeBron James.


That is true... But he has way cooler name


Zion is physically another freak of nature like Lebron and more. But what makes Lebron the best player in the world (as least recently) is his superior basketball iq and his passing game besides his scoring. He simply makes his teammates so much better and his teams have been going to the Final for how many years now? 8? Gosh! Saying that Zion is not just athletic freak either. He does have amazing dribbling skill of a guard and can pass plus shooting 3s. Will see how he will perform playing against NBA defenders though. No doubt he will be a star but to be a legend like Lebron will take a lot of hard work besides talent, the mark of a tough competitor that you can see in players like Lebron, Kobe and MJ. But Zion will be another human highlight reel for NBA fans in the years to come.

Re: Zion - The only one that matters

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 9:36 pm
by Jedzz
Zion is meeting another freak today. Tacko Falls is keeping him away from the basket so far early in their UCF/Duke matchup. Zion's only points so far, a three from beyond the right elbow. Stuffed by Tacko at the net at least once already.