Fischella's 2018 NBA Draft Big Board

[No-Man]

I am not predicting nothing, this ain't a mock, it's a Board with teams in it, which honestly it's the way it should be esp at the top, because different players can develop different prospects and therefore their value to them should be different.

[No-Man]

Trae Young is unreal good

[skywalker33]

I am not predicting nothing, this ain't a mock, it's a Board with teams in it, which honestly it's the way it should be esp at the top, because different players can develop different prospects and therefore their value to them should be different.

Isn't that the definition of a mock draft, associating players names with teams in draft order with position to draft them ??

A Big Board is just the ranking of the players....just sayin'

[Mulhollanddrive]

Fischella is on a few signatures already (Embiid had 45-15 last night btw) might be hedging a bit now.

[Kolkmania]

I am not low on Carter, I am just not sure about his potential and the dynamism of his game, and there are just too many bigs, someone has to fall, him been 17th or whatever means nothing, he is the same tier for me as guys that might 8th or 9th.

Perhaps it's better to rank them in tiers, this way we can see which guys are relatively close. Linking a team on each prospect based on the current standings is also quite useless imo.

Fischella is on a few signatures already (Embiid had 45-15 last night btw) might be hedging a bit now.

I disagree often with Fischella, but everybody makes mistakes in evaluating draft prospects. I could see the point he wanted to make at the time, you don't win with a high usage rate center with low efficiency. He just underestimated Embiid's ability to learn and adjust, he's basically the defensive center you want to anchor a defense now. Still a massive TOV%, but I think that will reduce in time as well, already showing signs of making the right read when the opponents double him.

[No-Man]

Well I am not using current standings, I am using 538 projections, otherwise agreed but ranking guys in a vacuum is **** useless, teams should select players accordingly to what they think can develop within their system, other than 2-3 guys max per draft the rest aren't generational guys that are total non-missing talents.

[No-Man]

I am not low on Carter, I am just not sure about his potential and the dynamism of his game, and there are just too many bigs, someone has to fall, him been 17th or whatever means nothing, he is the same tier for me as guys that might 8th or 9th.

Perhaps it's better to rank them in tiers, this way we can see which guys are relatively close.

Done, and updated

[doordoor123]

Nickeil Alexander-Walker Tier 2? Maybe after his first two games, but he fell back down to earth. He can’t score off the dribble, isn’t a good defender and doesn’t have a good feel for the game. He’s a second round pick right now IMO.

[No-Man]

Nickeil Alexander-Walker Tier 2? Maybe after his first two games, but he fell back down to earth. He can’t score off the dribble, isn’t a good defender and doesn’t have a good feel for the game. He’s a second round pick right now IMO.

I like him as a combination guard, his D is okay, has length, I think he can score against weaker defenders and he isnt gonna be a first option, his feel for the game is erratic I'd agree, I like his finishing and shooting, I think he can be in time a 2-way G that can shoot and pass, therefore tier 3

[doordoor123]

Nickeil Alexander-Walker Tier 2? Maybe after his first two games, but he fell back down to earth. He can’t score off the dribble, isn’t a good defender and doesn’t have a good feel for the game. He’s a second round pick right now IMO.

I like him as a combination guard, his D is okay, has length, I think he can score against weaker defenders and he isnt gonna be a first option, his feel for the game is erratic I'd agree, I like his finishing and shooting, I think he can be in time a 2-way G that can shoot and pass, therefore tier 3

I have zero confidence in his defense. But I agree, he finishes nicely and does so through contact. My issue is how skinny he is. I don’t think there’s any way he finishes like this in the NBA. Guys will overpower and out-hustle him.

[No-Man]

Purely big board-wise my regular guys that I like as of now would be;

Luka Doncic
Michael Porter Jr.
Marvin Bagley III
Miles Bridges
Jaren Jackson Jr.
DeAndre Ayton
Trae Young
Collin Sexton
Mohamed Bamba
Mikal Bridges
Troy Brown Jr.
Wendell Carter Jr.
Dzanan Musa

Hard to have anybody breaking that group now

[doordoor123]

What do you see in Miles Bridges? Is there a reason you’re so high on him?

[blazeyo]

Miles BRidges inside the top 3? interesting, but zero chance of happening.

A GM that wants to get fired might make this pick and even if he becomes a top 3 player of this draft I can't justify picking him so high. He hasn't shown enough.

[The-Power]

Always like to hear your opinion on the prospects, so I'll ask you here in order to not be off-topic in the other thread.

From the Bagley-Thread:

So basically with that in mind this would be my top10 today;

Luka Doncic
Michael Porter Jr.

Marvin Bagley III

Miles Bridges
Jaren Jackson Jr.
DeAndre Ayton
Collin Sexton

Trae Young
Mo Bamba
Mikal Bridges

Curious to see what made you rank Sexton higher than Young this time (and putting him in a different tier as well)?

[No-Man]

Always like to hear your opinion on the prospects, so I'll ask you here in order to not be off-topic in the other thread.

From the Bagley-Thread:

So basically with that in mind this would be my top10 today;

Luka Doncic
Michael Porter Jr.

Marvin Bagley III

Miles Bridges
Jaren Jackson Jr.
DeAndre Ayton
Collin Sexton

Trae Young
Mo Bamba
Mikal Bridges

Curious to see what made you rank Sexton higher than Young this time (and putting him in a different tier as well)?

I like Trae's game better but overall he has a lower floor in my mind, Sexton's antics and halfcourt weirdness can be honed and ultimately he just has a much built for the game even though I believe in terms of functional athleticism they are close, but Sexton's sheer size gives him an edge.
Also there is a real chance that Young is drafted much lower and therefore given less opportunities to succeed, that basically warrants better value for Sexton higher.

I think on offense Trae has a game that entices me more, and we are talking Guards so offense is key, but I think he is pretty boom/bust, Sexton needs the shot to be good (it has been excellent but I have my qualms with his mechanics esp the pull-up which is quite rigid with a weird follow through) but even if it's just an avg shooter he can likely be a good enough Guard on D/pushing the pace, getting to the lane, he has a real knack for finding cracks on the defense and that+NBA spacing has a way.

Honestly I could've had Trae on the tier ahead, and probably it's more proper to have them both by themselves between the defensive role players at the bottom and the 4-6 group in the MSU guys and Ayton, in my mind, but I didn't want to divide a group of 10 players in 4 tiers for practical reasons (although I sort of did with Bagley so who cares).

In the end is the risk, I embrace risk in certain situations, and also I think with the way the NBA is likely going to see Trae you are gonna be able to draft him in the late teens and at that stop I'd be all over him no question, even late lotto, in the top10, I'd have some qualms, I think Sexton is more well-rounded even if he doesn't have the same type of offensive upside.

[doordoor123]

Always like to hear your opinion on the prospects, so I'll ask you here in order to not be off-topic in the other thread.

From the Bagley-Thread:

So basically with that in mind this would be my top10 today;

Luka Doncic
Michael Porter Jr.

Marvin Bagley III

Miles Bridges
Jaren Jackson Jr.
DeAndre Ayton
Collin Sexton

Trae Young
Mo Bamba
Mikal Bridges

Curious to see what made you rank Sexton higher than Young this time (and putting him in a different tier as well)?

I like Trae's game better but overall he has a lower floor in my mind, Sexton's antics and halfcourt weirdness can be honed and ultimately he just has a much built for the game even though I believe in terms of functional athleticism they are close, but Sexton's sheer size gives him an edge.
Also there is a real chance that Young is drafted much lower and therefore given less opportunities to succeed, that basically warrants better value for Sexton higher.

I think on offense Trae has a game that entices me more, and we are talking Guards so offense is key, but I think he is pretty boom/bust, Sexton needs the shot to be good (it has been excellent but I have my qualms with his mechanics esp the pull-up which is quite rigid with a weird follow through) but even if it's just an avg shooter he can likely be a good enough Guard on D/pushing the pace, getting to the lane, he has a real knack for finding cracks on the defense and that+NBA spacing has a way.

Honestly I could've had Trae on the tier ahead, and probably it's more proper to have them both by themselves between the defensive role players at the bottom and the 4-6 group in the MSU guys and Ayton, in my mind, but I didn't want to divide a group of 10 players in 4 tiers for practical reasons (although I sort of did with Bagley so who cares).

In the end is the risk, I embrace risk in certain situations, and also I think with the way the NBA is likely going to see Trae you are gonna be able to draft him in the late teens and at that stop I'd be all over him no question, even late lotto, in the top10, I'd have some qualms, I think Sexton is more well-rounded even if he doesn't have the same type of offensive upside.

There is no way a team isn’t in love with Young already. I can’t see a team not giving him opportunity only because he’s going to be consistent throughout the year.

The more I watch him play, the better I think he will be. I actually think he’s better than hes shown and think he’ll be even better in the NBA. He’s literally toying with a lot of defenders and I don’t think he’s doing it on purpose. He makes so many open lanes and doesn’t use them all. Sometimes I can’t tell if it’s bad shot selection or if he’s just messing around, but he’ll dribble himself an open lane and shoot a three with a guy in his face. He makes the open three, but you wonder why he didn’t just take the open lane. Someone needs to teach him how to attack opportunities like that and he’s going to do really well. There will also be more space in the NBA and I think he’s going to look good driving or in the P&R.

Last year I thought Donovan Mitchell had really underrated speed because he had great pacing and knew how to pick his moments and reserve energy. Young does the same thing, he has great pace and only uses his speed when the moment calls for it. In the NBA he’ll use it more because therell be more space and you need to be quick from the top of the key into the paint. I think it’ll only be to his benefit.

[The-Power]

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Any thoughts on how Miles Bridges has been doing this year? He has been injury-plagued so there's still a lot of time to recover but I do not see the kind of improvements that would catapult him into top 5 discussions yet. Settling for too many bad perimeter jumpshots (e.g. after a couple jab steps) and not showing as much off-the-dribble playmaking and creating as I'd have liked. With bad shot selection, inconsistent shooting, a lack of aggressiveness and not showing enough off the dribble his appeal decreases considerably for me. Not enough to have him outside the top 10 probably but certainly not enough to enter top 5 discussions.

[No-Man]

Not much, like you said he is playing on a bummed ankle and for the most part a new position, I don't think he is ever gonna be a guy with the skills to attack of the dribble other than in transition or agaisnt close-outs, I like his shooting overall even if he has had mixed returns so far, but I am a fan of his footwork, off-ball preparation, mechanics and all that.

In general he is a plug&play player and ideally a 4, I think he can be a high-end starter, maybe even an All Star here&there, not as quick or sudden as Aaron Gordon but a much better shooter, overall I would actually take him in the top5, but I understand the qualms with upside, the thing is, I am not a fan of many other guys upside at that point tbh.

[blazeyo]

I have Trae Young at 6 easily, believe he is going to sneak into the top 5 for sure when it's all said and done.

My only problem is how he looks if i'm being honest. 0 marketability and this guy is going to need FTs going his way.

[No-Man]

If you believe in Trae's upside enough to put him at 6th, I'd go all the way and have him 3rd or so honestly.