GimmeDat's 2019 B.B.

[GimmeDat]

1. Zion Williamson
2. Cam Reddish
3. RJ Barrett
4. Bol Bol
5. Nassir Little
6. Deandre Hunter
7. Kevin Porter
8. Ja Morant
9. Naz Reid
10. Romeo Langford
11. Keldon Johnson
12. Jarrett Culver
13. Daniel Gafford
14. Rui Hachimura
15. Brandon Clarke
16. Darius Garland
17. Talen Horton-Tucker
18. Tre Jones
19. Lugentz Dort
20. Sekou Doumbouya
21. Charles Bassey
22. Quinten Grimes
23. Simi Sh*ttu
24. Jaxson Hayes
25. Jalen McDaniels
26. Jontay Porter
27. Killian Tillie
28. Jaylen Smith
29. Jaylen Hoard
30. Zach Norvell

31. Shamorie Ponds
32. Coby White
33. Nickeil Alexander-Walker
34. Kris Wilkes
35. Sagaba Konate
36. Bruno Fernando
37. Luka Samanic
38. PJ Washington
39. Kezie Okpala
40. Carsen Edwards
41. Eric Paschall
42. EJ Montgomery
43. Dylan Windler
44. Brian Bowen
45. Tyus Battle
46. Kellan Grady
47. Jaylen Hands
48. Louis King
49. Barius Bazley
50. Tyler Herro
51. William McDowell-White
52. Goga Bidagze
53. O'Shae Brissett
54. Lindell Wigginton
55. Udoka Azubuike
56. Emmitt Williams
57. John Petty
58. Kerwin Roach
59. Kostja Mushidi
60. Borisa Simanic

Same guys 'missing' as last time.

[Funcrusher]

some guys I think are too high/low:

High:
- Naz Reid. If anything I'd have thought he'd be much lower with his recent play. He has an intriguing skillset and all, but don't think it's really functional skill right now. Has he proven much to be a lottery guy at this point?
- Romeo Langford. I think he's a lottery guy but wouldn't have him as high as 10 personally. To be there, he needs to show progression with the 3 ball, otherwise I just see a guy with average handles and meh athleticism, who's crafty, but doesn't have much else to rely on to consistently create for himself.
- Rui Hachimura. Again, a guy I like but think that having him in the lottery is a reach. He has some nice strengths (Nice face up game, solid jumper, great touch around the rim) but overall his game is pretty basic offensively and he's a poor defender. Guys like him are valuable but not lottery talents IMO, even in this relatively weak draft, unless you are banking on him being a late bloomer potential wise.
-Tre Jones. I like Tre and all, but I just don't see any one thing he does well enough to warrant such a high rank. He's looking like a first rounder for sure, but he just doesn't have the upside to be near or around the lottery.

Low:
- Darius Garland. Would honestly still take him over Morant right now, and I say that as someone who thinks Morant is a top 10 pick. Garland has his issues, but I think his game as it stands is more translatable to the NBA than Morant's, he's by far the most skilled guard in this class.
- Talen Horton-Tucker. I think people are really sleeping on this guy. Like Garland he's not an elite athlete, but the skill pops out when you watch him. Can do a little bit of everything offensively and has potential defensively with his measurables. He just turned 18 a week ago and could continue to develop physically/athletically. There's no doubt in my mind he's gonna play himself into the lottery.

Other than that, I more or less agree with everything here.

[GimmeDat]

some guys I think are too high/low:

High:
- Naz Reid. If anything I'd have thought he'd be much lower with his recent play. He has an intriguing skillset and all, but don't think it's really functional skill right now. Has he proven much to be a lottery guy at this point?
- Romeo Langford. I think he's a lottery guy but wouldn't have him as high as 10 personally. To be there, he needs to show progression with the 3 ball, otherwise I just see a guy with average handles and meh athleticism, who's crafty, but doesn't have much else to rely on to consistently create for himself.
- Rui Hachimura. Again, a guy I like but think that having him in the lottery is a reach. He has some nice strengths (Nice face up game, solid jumper, great touch around the rim) but overall his game is pretty basic offensively and he's a poor defender. Guys like him are valuable but not lottery talents IMO, even in this relatively weak draft, unless you are banking on him being a late bloomer potential wise.
-Tre Jones. I like Tre and all, but I just don't see any one thing he does well enough to warrant such a high rank. He's looking like a first rounder for sure, but he just doesn't have the upside to be near or around the lottery.

Low:
- Darius Garland. Would honestly still take him over Morant right now, and I say that as someone who thinks Morant is a top 10 pick. Garland has his issues, but I think his game as it stands is more translatable to the NBA than Morant's, he's by far the most skilled guard in this class.
- Talen Horton-Tucker. I think people are really sleeping on this guy. Like Garland he's not an elite athlete, but the skill pops out when you watch him. Can do a little bit of everything offensively and has potential defensively with his measurables. He just turned 18 a week ago and could continue to develop physically/athletically. There's no doubt in my mind he's gonna play himself into the lottery.

Other than that, I more or less agree with everything here.

All completely reasonable takes to have. And I may well shift those guys around close to the ranges you suggested in time. I think I've just given the benefit of the doubt to a few guys here to demonstrate things I think they're better at/will improve at. To elaborate -

Reid - Outside of the first couple of games, he hasn't played like a lottery pick at all. I was just pretty sold with the tools, thought his jumper looked extremely legit, think he'll get away with being passable on defense. I can't really disagree, his play probably doesn't warrant the sort of stock I've given him here, but I really like the upside in a draft that feels to have pretty meh upside after 7 or so, so I've wanted to consider his play right now a bit of a lull and hope he picks it back up. If he doesn't, then I agree, I should drop him down some.

Langford - Same thing applies here. I agree, for his archetype especially, he simply needs to shoot the 3 much better. I felt given his HS career, I did not see him starting off 7/30 from outside the arc, I guess I'm just waiting for that advancement to the mean.. but that being said, he doesn't look totally natural from 3 when I've watched, pushing it a bit/flat. So again, probably should be lower already, but I'm just being hopeful. If he can hit the 3, which I don't think is a big leap for him to make given his natural shot making ability, then I like his game. He can defend, and is showing positive signs as a scorer. Couple his FTr (8.1 attempts/per 40) and near 60% rate on 2pt FG's, and any improvements on the shooting efficiency should make him a pretty sizeable offensive threat.

His HS shooting rates are unusual, these are his percentages from 3pt/FT over his 3 HS seasons - 38/82, 31/55, 36/81. What's going on in his junior year there? Sizeable sample in each year.. don't know what's going on in the middle there. Even accounting for that middle year, I'm shocked he's on 23/69 this season.

Hachimura - I'm somewhat banking on the delayed curve on development here. I'm pretty in on him offensively, think he's made great strides with his skill-set, understanding wise I think he's still coming around on some things, but if he can continued to be worked on and at least become an average defender, which is totally within his reach physically speaking, then I think he's definitely a lottery guy. But also agree, with his current flaws, you can definitely argue him out of the lottery.

Jones - As you can see I jumped him heaps from my last board.. maybe a bit reactionary. I just respect the influence his brother has on the game and can't help but think that Tre can be better than his brother. More athletic, is passing and protecting the ball at a similarly good rate, defending, etc.. only thing I would question is whether his how much his 3 ball will regress from that 43% figure. He's probably the one I feel like dropping the most on reflection, but I do think he can make an impact on an NBA team and be a high level backup or spot starter.

Garland - Would not be this low if not for the near tear - if he looks good as gold in pre-draft, I'm happy to bump him up. He's definitely a lotto guy if he didn't get hurt. I am Morant>Garland though by a bit - I think Morant's potential to be less than a liability on defense gives him the edge in my eyes.. whether that's a realistic development to expect him to make or not idk.

Horton-Tucker - Had him 14, now 17. I can see the argument up to about 7 or 8, actually. Another one I'm sort of wishing I had differently in hindsight. But then again, I simply need to see more.. I haven't watched enough. I have an idea of who he is in my head based on what I've watched, but I need more proof that he's actually all he's billed to be. Also, just looking from a statistical POV, he seems quite streaky as a shooter, would like to see more consistency from him there.. though I think the projection is largely encouraging despite his 31.7% so far this season.

[GimmeDat]

1. Zion Williamson
2. RJ Barrett
3. Cam Reddish
4. Bol Bol
5. Ja Morant
6. Deandre Hunter
7. Kevin Porter
8. Nassir Little
9. Jarrett Culver
10. Talen Horton-Tucker
11. Darius Garland
12. Brandon Clarke
13. Naz Reid
14. Romeo Langford
15. Keldon Johnson
16. Rui Hachimura
17. Daniel Gafford
18. Sekou Doumbouya
19. Lugentz Dort
20. Tre Jones
21. Charles Bassey
22. Simi Sh*ttu
23. Jaxson Hayes
24. Jontay Porter
25. Jalen McDaniels
26. Grant Williams
27. Quinten Grimes
28. Killian Tillie
29. Jaylen Smith
30. Jaylen Hoard

31. Deividas Sirvydis
32. Zach Norvell
33. Coby White
34. Nickeil Alexander-Walker
35. Shamorie Ponds
36. Sagaba Konate
37. Carsen Edwards
38. Bruno Fernando
39. PJ Washington
40. Eric Paschall
41. Kezie Okpala
42. Luka Samanic
43. Tyus Battle
44. Dylan Windler
45. Brian Bowen
46. Louis King
47. Darius Bazley
48. William McDowell-White
49. Goga Bidagze
50. Admiral Schofield
51. Isaiah Roby
52. Jaylen Hands
53. Jordan Poole
54. Allen Smailagic
55. Kerwin Roach
56. Jordan Poole
57. Tremont Waters
58. Udoka Azubuike
59. LaGerald Vick
60. Ethan Happ

This is the latest update. Green are guys I've only recently looked into, their stock will likely fluctuate as I try to pin them down. Particularly interested to hear anyone's thoughts on those guys. Also looked in to Reaves and I don't get the appeal.. obviously he's a good defender but he simply seems too limited offensively for a guy his age to be drafted imo; someone convince me otherwise if you think so.

Other than that, quite a lot of movement. I was really rooting for Little, but have to drop him for now, he hasn't been that good. Morant up, can't deny him any longer. Culver and THT up. Clarke up. Moved Garland back up, I think I dropped him a bit based on the injury but ultimately just wanted to go back to rating him as a prospect, he should be back to his old self. Reid down for now until he's more productive. Quinten Grimes continues his slide, rightfully he doesn't even deserve to be listed, can't see him coming out anyway with this form. 2nd round has had a bit of movement as well, still feeling a lot of those guys out though, input appreciated.

[Stillwater]

1. Zion Williamson
2. RJ Barrett
3. Cam Reddish
4. Bol Bol
5. Ja Morant
6. Deandre Hunter
7. Kevin Porter
8. Nassir Little
9. Jarrett Culver
10. Talen Horton-Tucker
11. Darius Garland
12. Brandon Clarke
13. Naz Reid
14. Romeo Langford
15. Keldon Johnson
16. Rui Hachimura
17. Daniel Gafford
18. Sekou Doumbouya
19. Lugentz Dort
20. Tre Jones
21. Charles Bassey
22. Simi Sh*ttu
23. Jaxson Hayes
24. Jontay Porter
25. Jalen McDaniels
26. Grant Williams
27. Quinten Grimes
28. Killian Tillie
29. Jaylen Smith
30. Jaylen Hoard

31. Deividas Sirvydis
32. Zach Norvell
33. Coby White
34. Nickeil Alexander-Walker
35. Shamorie Ponds
36. Sagaba Konate
37. Carsen Edwards
38. Bruno Fernando
39. PJ Washington
40. Eric Paschall
41. Kezie Okpala
42. Luka Samanic
43. Tyus Battle
44. Dylan Windler
45. Brian Bowen
46. Louis King
47. Darius Bazley
48. William McDowell-White
49. Goga Bidagze
50. Admiral Schofield
51. Isaiah Roby
52. Jaylen Hands
53. Jordan Poole
54. Allen Smailagic
55. Kerwin Roach
56. Jordan Poole
57. Tremont Waters
58. Udoka Azubuike
59. LaGerald Vick
60. Ethan Happ

This is the latest update. Green are guys I've only recently looked into, their stock will likely fluctuate as I try to pin them down. Particularly interested to hear anyone's thoughts on those guys. Also looked in to Reaves and I don't get the appeal.. obviously he's a good defender but he simply seems too limited offensively for a guy his age to be drafted imo; someone convince me otherwise if you think so.

Other than that, quite a lot of movement. I was really rooting for Little, but have to drop him for now, he hasn't been that good. Morant up, can't deny him any longer. Culver and THT up. Clarke up. Moved Garland back up, I think I dropped him a bit based on the injury but ultimately just wanted to go back to rating him as a prospect, he should be back to his old self. Reid down for now until he's more productive. Quinten Grimes continues his slide, rightfully he doesn't even deserve to be listed, can't see him coming out anyway with this form. 2nd round has had a bit of movement as well, still feeling a lot of those guys out though, input appreciated.

If I had to guess Bol will fall out of the top 10 in the draft despite the unusual measurements and skill set remaining enticing as a long term project.
He is just too frail in the lower body to make an impact for a long time against stronger competition and I would not be surprised if he ends up having a Noel type disappointing career path.

[GimmeDat]

If I had to guess Bol will fall out of the top 10 in the draft despite the unusual measurements and skill set remaining enticing as a long term project.
He is just too frail in the lower body to make an impact for a long time against stronger competition and I would not be surprised if he ends up having a Noel type disappointing career path.

Maybe. I would definitely be nervous to draft him. But he's also got an incredible upside and is one of the best shotmakers I've ever seen at his height. I think he can definitely go this high. I do think he's a candidate to drop a bit should someone in that 2nd tier establish themselves further.

[clyde21]

Too low on NAW imo

[GimmeDat]

Too low on NAW imo

I was expecting someone to mention NAW. I haven't seen a lot of him, the statistics are very encouraging, I just don't see it from the footage I've watched. How would you sell me on him?

[clyde21]

Too low on NAW imo

I was expecting someone to mention NAW. I haven't seen a lot of him, the statistics are very encouraging, I just don't see it from the footage I've watched. How would you sell me on him?

Well, not sure where we can agree considering he's in my top 10 overall.

Honestly, I think he's the perfect combo guard. Long, athletic, can play off-ball, has great defensive potential, can drive, shoot. I really don't see a lot of weaknesses in his game.

[juanc]

Goga Bitadze is a 1st round pick IMO.The guy is great. I've already stated that I think he is a far better player and prospect as Sekou.
I also like that you have Bol Bol as high as he is. He is a better prospect than Bamba IMO.
Šamanič should be higher than Sirvydis since he stared to play much better now, that Olimpija has got a new coach. he just needs to put some muscle on and he will look much better.
I would also put Marko Simonović somwhere at the end of 2nd round.

[GimmeDat]

Too low on NAW imo

I was expecting someone to mention NAW. I haven't seen a lot of him, the statistics are very encouraging, I just don't see it from the footage I've watched. How would you sell me on him?

Well, not sure where we can agree considering he's in my top 10 overall.

Honestly, I think he's the perfect combo guard. Long, athletic, can play off-ball, has great defensive potential, can drive, shoot. I really don't see a lot of weaknesses in his game.

You may be right - I'll have to see more of him.

Goga Bitadze is a 1st round pick IMO.The guy is great. I've already stated that I think he is a far better player and prospect as Sekou.
I also like that you have Bol Bol as high as he is. He is a better prospect than Bamba IMO.
Šamanič should be higher than Sirvydis since he stared to play much better now, that Olimpija has got a new coach. he just needs to put some muscle on and he will look much better.
I would also put Marko Simonović somwhere at the end of 2nd round.

I like Bitadze for who he is, but he feels a bit old-school to me. Doesn't seem to have some of those modern elements you want out of a C, from what I've seen.

[Funcrusher]

Too low on NAW imo

I was expecting someone to mention NAW. I haven't seen a lot of him, the statistics are very encouraging, I just don't see it from the footage I've watched. How would you sell me on him?

Well, not sure where we can agree considering he's in my top 10 overall.

Honestly, I think he's the perfect combo guard. Long, athletic, can play off-ball, has great defensive potential, can drive, shoot. I really don't see a lot of weaknesses in his game.

He's pretty much an average athlete who's not all that quick or explosive, which is the main caveat with him. In the games I've seen he's had trouble taking defenders off the dribble and getting all the way to the rim, and often settles for pullups or floaters, which is also why his free throw rate is putrid. Everything else I agree with.

[clyde21]

I was expecting someone to mention NAW. I haven't seen a lot of him, the statistics are very encouraging, I just don't see it from the footage I've watched. How would you sell me on him?

Well, not sure where we can agree considering he's in my top 10 overall.

Honestly, I think he's the perfect combo guard. Long, athletic, can play off-ball, has great defensive potential, can drive, shoot. I really don't see a lot of weaknesses in his game.

He's pretty much an average athlete who's not all that quick or explosive, which is the main caveat with him. In the games I've seen he's had trouble taking defenders off the dribble and getting all the way to the rim, and often settles for pullups or floaters, which is also why his free throw rate is putrid. Everything else I agree with.

Yeah he's not a particular quick or explosive athlete but I like the smoothness and effortlessness of his movements and I think he's athletic in that capacity. If he's also explosive we'd probably be talking about a top 5 guy.

[Funcrusher]

Well, not sure where we can agree considering he's in my top 10 overall.

Honestly, I think he's the perfect combo guard. Long, athletic, can play off-ball, has great defensive potential, can drive, shoot. I really don't see a lot of weaknesses in his game.

He's pretty much an average athlete who's not all that quick or explosive, which is the main caveat with him. In the games I've seen he's had trouble taking defenders off the dribble and getting all the way to the rim, and often settles for pullups or floaters, which is also why his free throw rate is putrid. Everything else I agree with.

Yeah he's not a particular quick or explosive athlete but I like the smoothness and effortlessness of his movements and I think he's athletic in that capacity. If he's also explosive we'd probably be talking about a top 5 guy.

Agreed, he's definitely a lotto guy. Probably a better prospect than guys like Knox or Bridges were last year.

[GimmeDat]

Gone and sort of butchered my Big Board, made some changes, perhaps a bit too reactionary, perhaps not, but there were a few changes I wanted to make asap. Everyone behind Zion feels a bit high but until someone steps up and commands true 2nd/3rd pick value, I think guys like Culver and Morant sneak in to that range, as underwhelming as that is.

I did this quickly, there may be a mistake or 2 in there. Also a few guys still missing.
1. Zion Williamson
2. RJ Barrett
3. Jarrett Culver
4. Ja Morant
5. Cam Reddish
5. Bol Bol
6. Deandre Hunter
7. Kevin Porter
8. Talen Horton-Tucker
9. Darius Garland
10. Nassir Little
11. Romeo Langford
12. Keldon Johnson
13. Brandon Clarke
14. Rui Hachimura
15. Daniel Gafford
16. Naz Reid
17. Sekou Doumbouya
18. Lugentz Dort
29. Tre Jones
20. Simi Sh*ttu
21. Jaxson Hayes
22. Jontay Porter
23. Nickeil Alexander-Walker
24. Jalen McDaniels
25. Charles Bassey
26. Grant Williams
27. Killian Tillie
28. Coby White
29. Jaylen Smith
30. Quinten Grimes

31. Jaylen Hoard
32. Deividas Sirvydis
33. Zach Norvell
34. Shamorie Ponds
35. Carsen Edwards
36. Bruno Fernando
37. Goga Bidagze
38. Sagaba Konate
39. PJ Washington
40. Kezie Okpala
41. Luka Samanic
42. Tyus Battle
43. Dylan Windler
44. Ty Jerome
45. Brian Bowen
46. Louis King
47. Darius Bazley
48. William McDowell-White
49. Admiral Schofield
50. Isaiah Roby
51. Eric Paschall
52. Jordan Poole
53. Allen Smailagic
54. Kerwin Roach
55. Josh Reaves
56. Tremont Waters
57. Udoka Azubuike
58. LaGerald Vick
59. Ethan Happ
60. Jalen Leque

[Funcrusher]

Kevin Porter Jr., Kezie Okpala, NAW, too low IMO

Cam, Gafford and Reid too high.

[clyde21]

Too low: King, Fernando, Alexander-Walker, McDaniels, Doumbouya

pretty good job otherwise

[GimmeDat]

To address those names -

Kevin Porter - has the upside to go as high as #2 imo. But until he's back healthy and proves more, I think there's enough question marks to his game to keep him down a little bit.

Louis King - Again, I just want to wait to see more. I liked him coming in to the season (had him 1st round on my rough initial board), but he's had a slow start since being introduced into Oregon's lineup. Given my developed understanding of this class, I don't think he's a 1st rounder even when he rounds in to form, but I can see him rising from his current position, absolutely.

Bruno Fernando - I'm struggling to pin down my stock on Bruno. Last season I had him as a 1st rounder, and he's improved on last season. And I haven't soured on him at all - it's a bit of an unusual one because this class is weaker. Perhaps I'm a bit too high on guys like Smith, Bassey, Sh*ttu, Grimes (in as a flier basically) and some others. He's somewhere in that 25-35 range imo, there's really not a ton that separates someone like Gafford from him imo, so the disparity in my rankings is a fair thing to point out.

NAW - Admittedly, I need to watch more of him. There's a lot of people high on him. Very open to peoples points on him, let me get back to you on him.

Jalen McDaniels - I think I'm pretty happy with his stock here. I've always liked him, but I think there's enough question marks about what exactly is he, how he's going to fit in positionally with his frame and skill-set, etc., to have some reservations about putting him too high. But I am a fan.

Doumbouya - A bit hesitant with him. I acknowledge the upside, there's an impact player there in theory, but I just feel like he's a project who requires a lot of work. And I think a guy that requires so much development is hard to take top 10 let's say unless they have some real star quality to them. I feel like Doumbouya's ceiling is more high level role player.

KZ Okpala - Yeah, maybe. Looking at it now he deserves to be in the 30's at the very least. Nothing really pops for me in his game but he's having an incredibly efficient season at a coveted position.

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Cam Reddish - I think a knock down to 5 is pretty reasonable at this stage. I definitely have concerns about how he's playing at the moment, but at his best he's an incredible prospect. I'm encouraged by the defense, he's shooting the ball as well if not better than expected, and I still believe in him as a shot maker. I'm far less confident in him but I still think he's a top tier prospect with high upside.

Daniel Gafford - Maybe.. but I think you can just envision his role so well and he's going to be so good at it in the NBA. He's just an elite athlete and does everything you want out of a rim running C at a high level. You don't need to ask him to do any more than his role, so I'm not super concerned about the A/TO or things like that. It's also a case of well if not Gafford, who do you bring up in to that 15-ish range.. maybe on further look it's a guy like NAW, maybe Hayes if he continues trending up, but the other guys like Sekou, Reid, etc. I'm not sold on right now.

Naz Reid - I'm probably a little biased for skilled bigs here.. him at 16 is me bumping him down. And based on his play, I have no qualms with people having him anywhere from 20 to 40, fair enough. I guess I just really like his game and am really hoping the production picks up. Also think the NBA game might elevate his effectiveness a bit.

[Funcrusher]

To address those names -

Kevin Porter - has the upside to go as high as #2 imo. But until he's back healthy and proves more, I think there's enough question marks to his game to keep him down a little bit.

Louis King - Again, I just want to wait to see more. I liked him coming in to the season (had him 1st round on my rough initial board), but he's had a slow start since being introduced into Oregon's lineup. Given my developed understanding of this class, I don't think he's a 1st rounder even when he rounds in to form, but I can see him rising from his current position, absolutely.

Bruno Fernando - I'm struggling to pin down my stock on Bruno. Last season I had him as a 1st rounder, and he's improved on last season. And I haven't soured on him at all - it's a bit of an unusual one because this class is weaker. Perhaps I'm a bit too high on guys like Smith, Bassey, Sh*ttu, Grimes (in as a flier basically) and some others. He's somewhere in that 25-35 range imo, there's really not a ton that separates someone like Gafford from him imo, so the disparity in my rankings is a fair thing to point out.

NAW - Admittedly, I need to watch more of him. There's a lot of people high on him. Very open to peoples points on him, let me get back to you on him.

Jalen McDaniels - I think I'm pretty happy with his stock here. I've always liked him, but I think there's enough question marks about what exactly is he, how he's going to fit in positionally with his frame and skill-set, etc., to have some reservations about putting him too high. But I am a fan.

Doumbouya - A bit hesitant with him. I acknowledge the upside, there's an impact player there in theory, but I just feel like he's a project who requires a lot of work. And I think a guy that requires so much development is hard to take top 10 let's say unless they have some real star quality to them. I feel like Doumbouya's ceiling is more high level role player.

KZ Okpala - Yeah, maybe. Looking at it now he deserves to be in the 30's at the very least. Nothing really pops for me in his game but he's having an incredibly efficient season at a coveted position.

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Cam Reddish - I think a knock down to 5 is pretty reasonable at this stage. I definitely have concerns about how he's playing at the moment, but at his best he's an incredible prospect. I'm encouraged by the defense, he's shooting the ball as well if not better than expected, and I still believe in him as a shot maker. I'm far less confident in him but I still think he's a top tier prospect with high upside.

Daniel Gafford - Maybe.. but I think you can just envision his role so well and he's going to be so good at it in the NBA. He's just an elite athlete and does everything you want out of a rim running C at a high level. You don't need to ask him to do any more than his role, so I'm not super concerned about the A/TO or things like that. It's also a case of well if not Gafford, who do you bring up in to that 15-ish range.. maybe on further look it's a guy like NAW, maybe Hayes if he continues trending up, but the other guys like Sekou, Reid, etc. I'm not sold on right now.

Naz Reid - I'm probably a little biased for skilled bigs here.. him at 16 is me bumping him down. And based on his play, I have no qualms with people having him anywhere from 20 to 40, fair enough. I guess I just really like his game and am really hoping the production picks up. Also think the NBA game might elevate his effectiveness a bit.

I get where you are with Sekou, but at this point couldn't you honestly make the same argument against Little? I don't have a problem having either guy low or high relative to their initial draft stock, and this isn't necessarily directed at you, but it just feels like a bit of a double standard to have one guy at 10 and another 17. In fact, I'm thinking arguments can be made in favor of Sekou over Nas as prospects, particularly related to age and athleticism. Not that that's necessarily how I feel, but just thoughts.

Gafford is ok, but kinda meh defensively at this point, which is where most of his value lies. He certainly has all the tools to be a rim protector and perimeter switching big, but his awareness/effort on that end fluctuates, and he just doesn't seem as agile as you would expect, he hasn't really been good on switches/defending in space, part of that is learning fundamentals (like proper footwork, consistently getting in a defensive stance), but I dunno, he still needs a lot of work. Would def have NAW, Dort, Doumbouya ahead of him, probably Jontay too.

[EvanZ]

I think you're way, way, way too low on Jontay.