The Official 2011 Cammo Mock Draft Thread

tidho · Post #341 » by **tidho** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:17 pm

Cammo101 wrote:Cleveland needs talent across the board. They should not be worried at all about position at all. If Cleveland's plan is to build a title contender, then they will need 5 (4 at least if Hickson develops) new starters. Making short sighted picks because you have Baron Davis already is not how you build a good team.

First, I find it hard to believe that no Cleveland player is capable of starting on a championship quality team. Its laughable to believe they, or any team, need 5 starters. Andy on the Heat, Baron on the Lakers, Hickson on the Magic - not contenders?....just silly.

Davis, Session, and Gibson are all on the books for two more years. In NBA salary cap terms, that isn't short term. Picking rookies to rot on your bench for two years isn't how you build a good team either.
As I said, if they land at #1 and thing Irving is the BPA then fine take him and shuffle the roster later. You've got them taking a small at #8 though. That just doesn't make sense. There are two many prospects with potential bunched too close together to do that.

Cammo101 · Post #342 » by **Cammo101** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:51 pm

tidho wrote:
Cammo101 wrote:Cleveland needs talent across the board. They should not be worried at all about position at all. If Cleveland's plan is to build a title contender, then they will need 5 (4 at least if Hickson develops) new starters. Making short sighted picks because you have Baron Davis already is not how you build a good team.

First, I find it hard to believe that no Cleveland player is capable of starting on a championship quality team. Its laughable to believe they, or any team, need 5 starters. Andy on the Heat, Baron on the Lakers, Hickson on the Magic - not contenders?....just silly.

Davis, Session, and Gibson are all on the books for two more years. In NBA salary cap terms, that isn't short term. Picking rookies to rot on your bench for two years isn't how you build a good team either.
As I said, if they land at #1 and thing Irving is the BPA then fine take him and shuffle the roster later. You've got them taking a small at #8 though. That just doesn't make sense. There are two many prospects with potential bunched too close together to do that.

Sure, a couple Cavs could be the worst starter on a team where a star or three can make up for them. But, Cleveland does not have that star player, so it is kind of an apple and orange arguement.

Guys like AV and Baron are not part of the Cavs long term thinking. They are stop gap players. Cleveland has to get 2 players out of this draft to build around. The positions they play do not matter at all. Sessions, Baron, and Gibsons are not nearly good enough to keep a team from taking a stud point guard in the lottery. They are the guys you trade to make room for the rookie, not the guys who keep you from drafting the rookie.

Warspite · Post #343 » by **Warspite** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 10:44 pm

For Dumars I guess we just have to hope Jones impresses enough that he jumps Vesely.

With the draft oder taking shape i realy see some teams that would like to trade down and others that would like to up. This could be a wild draft night.

Cammo101 · Post #344 » by **Cammo101** » Tue Apr 5, 2011 2:45 pm

4/5/11

1. Cleveland - Kyrie Irving (6'2'', PG, Duke, Fresh.)
2. Minnesota - Harrison Barnes (6'8'', SF, North Carolina, Fresh.)
3. Washington - Derrick Williams (6'9'', PF, Arizona, Soph.)
4. Toronto - Enes Kanter (6'11'', PF, Turkey)
5. Sacramento - Jan Vesely (6'11'', SF, Czech Republic)
6. Utah - Jonas Valanciunas (6'10'', C, Lithuania)
7. Detroit - Perry Jones (6'11'', PF, Baylor, Fresh.)
8. Cleveland - Alec Burks (6'6'', SG, Colorado, Soph.)
9. Milwaukee - Donatas Motiejunas (7'0'', PF, Lithuania)
10. Golden State - Terrence Jones (6'9'', SF, Kentucky, Fresh.)
11. Charlotte - John Henson (6'10'', PF, North Carolina, Soph.)
12. Utah - Kemba Walker (6'0'', PG, UConn, Jr.)
13. Phoenix - Kawhi Leonard (6'7'', SF San Diego State, Soph.)
14. Houston - Brandon Knight (6'3'', PG, Kentucky, Fresh.)
15. Indiana - Jimmer Fredette (6'2'', PG, BYU, Sr.)
16. New York - Marcus Morris (6'9'', PF, Kansas, Jr.)
17. Philadelphia - Tristan Thompson (6'9'', PF, Texas, Fresh.)
18. Minnesota - Bismack Biyombo (6'9'', PF, Congo)
19. Washington - Kenneth Faried (6'8'', PF, Morehead State, Sr.)
20. Charlotte - Jordan Hamilton (6'7'', SF, Texas, Soph.)
21. Portland - Tyler Zeller (6'11'', C, North Carolina, Jr.)
22. Denver - Markieff Morris (6'9'', PF, Kansas, Jr.)
23. Houston - Chris Singleton (6'8'', SF, Florida State, Jr.)
24. Oklahoma City - Justin Harper (6'10'', PF, Richmond, Sr.)
25. Chicago - Jordan Williams (6'10'', C, Maryland, Soph.)
26. Boston - Nikola Mirotic (6'10'', PF, Montenegro)
27. Dallas - Tyler Honeycutt (6'8'', SF, UCLA, Soph.)
28. Chicago - Nolan Smith (6'3'', SG, Duke, Sr.)
29. New Jersey - Tobias Harris (6'8'', SF, Tennessee, Fresh.)
30. San Antonio - Jeremy Tyler (6'10'', PF, USA)

31. Cleveland - Kyle Singler (6'9'', SF, Duke, Sr.)
32. Miami - Shelvin Mack (6'2'', PG, Butler, Jr.)
33. Washington - Marshon Brooks (6'5'', SG, Providence, Sr.)
34. Detroit - Trey Thompkins (6'9'', PF, Georgia, Jr.)
35. Sacramento - Reggie Jackson (6'3'', SG, Boston College, Jr.)
36. New Jersey - Nikola Vucevic (6'10'', PF, USC, Jr.)
37. LA Clippers - Jeffery Taylor (6'6'', SF, Vanderbilt, Jr.)
38. Houston - Furkan Aldemir (6'9'', PF, Turkey)
39. Milwaukee - JaJuan Johnson (6'10'', PF, Purdue, Sr.)
40. LA Lakers - Darius Morris (6'4'', PG, Michigan, Soph.)
41. Charlotte - Keith Benson (6'11'', C, Oakland, Sr.)
42. Chicago - Malcolm Lee (6'5'', SG, UCLA, Jr.)
43. Golden State - Greg Smith (6'10'', C, Fresno State, Soph.)
44. LA Clippers - Jon Leuer (6'10'', PF, Wisconsin, Sr.)
45. Indiana - Jamie Skeen (6'9'', PF, VCU, Sr.)
46. LA Lakers - Scottie Hopson (6'7'', SF, Tennessee, Jr.)
47. Philadelphia - Bojan Bogdanovic (6'7'', SF, Croatia)
48. Memphis - Matthew Bryan-Amaning (6'8'', PF, Washington, Sr.)
49. Atlanta - Norris Cole (6'2'', PG, Cleveland State, Sr.)
50. New Orleans - E'Twaun Moore (6'4'', SG, Purdue, Sr.)
51. Portland - Rick Jackson (6'9'', PF, Syracuse, Sr.)
52. Detroit - LaceDarius Dunn (6'4'', SG, Baylor, Sr.)
53. Orlando - Xavi Rabaseda (6'7'', SF,
54. Cleveland - Pablo Aguilar (6'8'', PF, Spain)
55. LA Lakers - Demetri McCamey (6'3'', PG, Illinois, Sr.)
56. Boston - Chandler Parsons (6'10'', SF, Florida, Sr.)
57. Dallas - Austin Freeman (6'4'', SG, Georgetown, Sr.)
58. Sacramento - Robin Benzing (6'9'', SF, Germany)
59. LA Lakers - Cam Long (6'4'', SG, George Mason, Sr.)
60. San Antonio - Justin Holiday (6'6'', SF, Washington, Sr.)

http://www.nbadraftguru.blogspot.com

Post #345 » by **gswhoops** » Tue Apr 5, 2011 4:50 pm

TJ would be a good pick for us.

Kirsten19 · Post #346 » by **Kirsten19** » Tue Apr 5, 2011 5:50 pm

I think Pistons' second round pick will go to Keith Benson instead. He is from Detroit and is a good fit to the team. They need his size, athleticism an defense.

Zeller at 20th? Isn't it too high for him?

Jajuan Johnson, Nikola Vucevic are also some of the names Dumars should be interested in.... Especially in the early 2nd round

Cammo101 · Post #347 » by **Cammo101** » Wed Apr 6, 2011 3:01 pm

4/6/11 (2012 Mock)

1. Toronto - Austin Rivers (6'4'', SG, High School)
2. Cleveland - Anthony Davis (6'9'', SF, High School)
3. Washington - James McAdoo (6'8'', PF, High School)
4. Utah - Jared Sullinger (6'9'', PF, Ohio State, Fresh.)
5. Detroit - Marquise Teague (6'2'', PF, High School)
6. Milwaukee - Jeremy Lamb (6'5'', SG, UConn, Fresh.)
7. Sacramento - Quincey Miller (6'9'', PF, High School)
8. Phoenix - Myck Kabongo (6'1'', PG, High School)
9. Minnesota - Lucas Nogueira (7'0'', C, Brazil)
10. Charlotte - Bradley Beal (6'3'', SG, High School)
11. New Jersey - John Jenkins (6'4'', SG, Vanderbilt, Soph.)
12. Golden State - Patric Young (6'9'', PF, Florida, Fresh.)
13. New Orleans - Michael Gilchrist (6'6'', SF, High School)
14. LA Clippers - Tony Mitchell (6'8'', SF, Missouri, Fresh.)
15. Indiana - Doron Lamb (6'5'', SG, Kentucky, Fresh.)
16. Philadelphia - Rakeem Christmas (6'9'', PF, High School)
17. Houston - LeBryan Nash (6'7'', SF, High School)
18. Denver - Khris Middleton (6'7'', SF, Texas A&M, Soph.)
19. Portland - Terrence Ross (6'6'', SG, Washington, Fresh.)
20. Memphis - Kendall Marshall (6'3'', PG, North Carolina, Fresh.)
21. Atlanta - Augusto Cesar Lima (6'10'', PF, Brazil)
22. New York - Klay Thompson (6'6'', SG, Washington State, Jr.)
23. Orlando - Kentavious Caldwell-Pope (6'6'', SG, High School)
24. Boston - Kris Joseph (6'7'', SF, Syracuse, Jr.)
25. San Antonio - CJ Leslie (6'8'', SF, North Carolina State, Fresh.)
26. Dallas - William Buford (6'5'', SG, Ohio State, Jr.)
27. Oklahoma City - Evan Fournier (6'6'', SG, France)
28. LA Lakers - Shelvin Mack (6'2'', PG, Butler, Jr.)
29. Chicago - Josh Selby (6'1'', SG, Kansas, Fresh.)
30. Miami - Maalik Wayns (6'1'', PG, Villanova, Soph.)

http://www.nbadraftguru.blogspot.com

Post #348 » by **gswhoops** » Wed Apr 6, 2011 4:50 pm

Also Cammo, just FYI the Warriors have NJ's and Chicago's 2nd round picks but not our own.

And didn't Tristan Thompson already say he was going back to school?

Cammo101 · Post #349 » by **Cammo101** » Wed Apr 6, 2011 5:01 pm

gswhoops wrote:Also Cammo, just FYI the Warriors have NJ's and Chicago's 2nd round picks but not our own.

And didn't Tristan Thompson already say he was going back to school?

I go by nbadraft.net's draft order. Take it up with them.

Thompson declared and signed with an agent. He is in this draft to stay.

Post #350 » by **BigSlam** » Wed Apr 6, 2011 8:15 pm

Switch out:

Cammo101 wrote:11. Charlotte - John Henson (6'10'', PF, North Carolina, Soph.)

with:

13. Phoenix - Kawhi Leonard (6'7'', SF San Diego State, Soph.)

and:

20. Charlotte - Jordan Hamilton (6'7'', SF, Texas, Soph.)

with:

25. Chicago - Jordan Williams (6'10'', C, Maryland, Soph.)

and I don't mind this pick:

41. Charlotte - Keith Benson (6'11'', C, Oakland, Sr.)

Leonard, Williams and Benson wouldn't be too bad for us IMO.

Cammo101 · Post #351 » by **Cammo101** » Wed Apr 6, 2011 8:24 pm

The team that takes Kawhi Leonard in the top 10 will live to regret it.

Post #352 » by **BigSlam** » Wed Apr 6, 2011 8:37 pm

Cammo101 wrote:The team that takes Kawhi Leonard in the top 10 will live to regret it.

Just as well you have the Bobcats drafting 11th then.

Phew.............saved by one spot.

:roll:

Cammo101 · Post #353 » by **Cammo101** » Wed Apr 6, 2011 9:04 pm

BigSlam wrote:
Cammo101 wrote:The team that takes Kawhi Leonard in the top 10 will live to regret it.

Just as well you have the Bobcats drafting 11th then.

Phew.............saved by one spot.

I was not just speaking to Charlotte about Leonard. It seems a lot of people want their teams to take Leonard. He is a good player with nice athleticism, but wings with average handles and decent at best jumpers tend to not go in the top 10 very often.

Krapinsky · Post #354 » by **Krapinsky** » Wed Apr 6, 2011 9:19 pm

That is 100% exactly how I would draft if I were Wolves GM (Barnes - Biyombo).

Post #355 » by **Ruzious** » Thu Apr 7, 2011 12:56 pm

Cammo101 wrote:The team that takes Kawhi Leonard in the top 10 will live to regret it.

Agreed. I'm still not getting why people have Leonard over Faried. They basically play the same way, and Faried's better at it. I don't think either can play SF in the NBA.

Cammo101 · Post #356 » by **Cammo101** » Thu Apr 7, 2011 4:48 pm

4/7/11

1. Cleveland - Kyrie Irving (6'2'', PG, Duke, Fresh.)
2. Minnesota - Harrison Barnes (6'8'', SF, North Carolina, Fresh.)
3. Toronto - Derrick Williams (6'9'', PF, Arizona, Soph.)
4. Washington - Enes Kanter (6'11'', PF, Turkey)
5. Sacramento - Jan Vesely (6'11'', SF, Czech Republic)
6. Utah - Jonas Valanciunas (6'10'', C, Lithuania)
7. Detroit - Perry Jones (6'11'', PF, Baylor, Fresh.)
8. Cleveland - Alec Burks (6'6'', SG, Colorado, Soph.)
9. Milwaukee - Donatas Motiejunas (7'0'', PF, Lithuania)
10. Charlotte - Bismack Biyombo (6'9'', PF, Congo)
11. Golden State - Terrence Jones (6'9'', SF, Kentucky, Fresh.)
12. Utah - Brandon Knight (6'3'', PG, Kentucky, Fresh.)
13. Phoenix - Marcus Morris (6'9'', PF, Kansas, Jr.)
14. Houston - Kemba Walker (6'0'', PG, UConn, Jr.)
15. Indiana - Jimmer Fredette (6'2'', PG, BYU, Sr.)
16. New York - Tristan Thompson (6'9'', PF, Texas, Fresh.)
17. Philadelphia - Kenneth Faried (6'8'', PF, Morehead State, Sr.)
18. Washington - Jordan Hamilton (6'7'', SF, Texas, Soph.)
19. Minnesota - Markieff Morris (6'10'', PF, Kansas, Jr.)
20. New Orleans - Kawhi Leonard (6'7'', SF, San Diego State, Soph.)
21. Portland - Jordan Williams (6'10'', C, Maryland, Soph.)
22. Denver - Tyler Honeycutt (6'8'', SF, UCLA, Soph.)
23. Phoenix - Justin Harper (6'10'', PF, Richmond, Sr.)
24. Oklahoma City - Chris Singleton (6'8'', SF, Florida State, Jr.)
25. Dallas - Nikola Mirotic (6'10'', PF, Montenegro)
26. Chicago - Trey Thompkins (6'9'', PF, Georgia, Jr.)
27. Boston - Tobias Harris (6'8'', SF, Tennessee, Fresh.)
28. New Jersey - Kyle Singler (6'9'', SF, Duke, Sr.)
29. Chicago - Nolan Smith (6'3'', SG, Duke, Sr.)
30. San Antonio - Jeremy Tyler (6'10'', PF, USA)

31. Cleveland - Jon Leuer (6'10'', PF, Wisconsin, Sr.)
32. Miami - Shelvin Mack (6'2'', PG, Butler, Jr.)
33. Detroit - Reggie Jackson (6'3'', SG, Boston College, Jr.)
34. Washington - Marshon Brooks (6'5'', SG, Providence, Sr.)
35. Sacramento - Josh Selby (6'2'', SG, Kansas, Fresh.)
36. New Jersey - JaJuan Johnson (6'10'', PF, Purdue, Sr.)
37. LA Clippers - Jeffery Taylor (6'6'', SF, Vanderbilt, Jr.)
38. Houston - Jereme Richmond (6'7'', SF, Illinois, Fresh.)
39. Milwaukee - Malcolm Lee (6'5'', SG, UCLA, Jr.)
40. Philadelphia - Furkan Aldemir (6'9'', PF, Turkey)
41. LA Lakers - Darius Morris (6'4'', PG, Michigan, Soph.)
42. Golden State - Keith Benson (6'11'', C, Oakland, Sr.)
43. Chicago - Scottie Hopson (6'7'', SF, Tennessee, Jr.)
44. LA Clippers - Nikola Vucevic (6'10'', PF, USC, Jr.)
45. Indiana - Jamie Skeen (6'9'', PF, VCU, Sr.)
46. LA Lakers - Bojan Bogdanovic (6'7'', SF, Croatia)
47. Charlotte - E'Twaun Moore (6'4'', SG, Purdue, Sr.)
48. Atlanta - Greg Smith (6'10'', C, Fresno State, Soph.)
49. Memphis - Matthew Bryan-Amaning (6'8'', PF, Washington, Sr.)
50. New Orleans - Norris Cole (6'2'', PG, Cleveland State, Sr.)
51. Detroit - Rick Jackson (6'9'', PF, Syracuse, Sr.)
52. Portland - Justin Holiday (6'6'', SF, Washington, Sr.)
53. Orlando - Xavi Rabaseda (6'7'', SF, Spain)
54. Cleveland - Chandler Parsons (6'10'', SF, Florida, Sr.)
55. Dallas - LaceDarius Dunn (6'4'', SG, Baylor, Sr.)
56. LA Lakers - Austin Freeman (6'4'', SG, Georgetown, Sr.)
57. Boston - Cam Long (6'4'', SG, George Mason, Sr.)
58. LA Lakers - Demetri McCamey (6'3'', PG, Illinois, Sr.)
59. Sacramento - Pablo Aguilar (6'8'', PF, Spain)
60. San Antonio - Robin Benzing (6'9'', SF, Germany)

http://www.nbadraftguru.blogspot.com

Dr Positivity · Post #357 » by **Dr Positivity** » Thu Apr 7, 2011 5:40 pm

The only pick I'm not sold on is Montiejunas going that high, I think everyone is off him without the d and rebounding. Milwaukee should take a Morris twin but I bet they go with Biyombo or Thompson - the younger raw big is usually how these things go

Dr Positivity · Post #358 » by **Dr Positivity** » Thu Apr 7, 2011 5:43 pm

Also Minnesota is now in last. Which is abso-f*cking amazing

Jazzfan12 · Post #359 » by **Jazzfan12** » Thu Apr 7, 2011 5:49 pm

The Bucks desperately need offense and Donatas the tools to learn defense and rebounding with Skiles as coach and with Bogut and LRMAM as the other members of the frontcourt.

Cammo101 · Post #360 » by **Cammo101** » Thu Apr 7, 2011 5:52 pm

Jazzfan12 wrote:The Bucks desperately need offense and Donatas the tools to learn defense and rebounding with Skiles as coach and with Bogut and LRMAM as the other members of the frontcourt.

This was pretty much my thinking as well. Milwaukee needs offense and already has Bogut in the post to defend. Donatas should be able to be at least a capable defender and rebounder with time, but his offense is very nice and would be welcomed by Milwaukee who has trouble scoring a lot of the time.