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Re: Fischella's 2016 Mock Draft 

Post#41 » by No-Man » Sat Jan 23, 2016 1:05 pm

skywalker33 wrote:I know you like him, but I really can't see Juancho Hernangomez going that high in the draft, I'd take Skal's potential, Poeltl's value or Ellenson's shooting ability for the Nuggets over him. Also, I agree that Murray's stock is falling but if he falls to the Nugget/HOU pick I can't see them passing his scoring potential for a backup PG, the 2017 draft seems like it will be loaded with them and Murray can swing into the position if necessary.

Ellenson is worse as a prospect than Juancho, less trasladable stuff, Poeltl is a close call, but the Nuggets have two young stud Cs plus Lauvergne who is better suited to play smallball C as well.
Labissiere is a face-up PF with a worse all around skillset and upside than Hernangomez.

Trimble can do everything JMurray can and then more, with Mudiay size also you can play both together as a dynamic duo, even if Melo plays off the bench, I really like that fit.
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Re: Fischella's 2016 Mock Draft 

Post#42 » by doordoor123 » Sat Jan 23, 2016 2:59 pm

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skywalker33 wrote:I know you like him, but I really can't see Juancho Hernangomez going that high in the draft, I'd take Skal's potential, Poeltl's value or Ellenson's shooting ability for the Nuggets over him. Also, I agree that Murray's stock is falling but if he falls to the Nugget/HOU pick I can't see them passing his scoring potential for a backup PG, the 2017 draft seems like it will be loaded with them and Murray can swing into the position if necessary.

Ellenson is worse as a prospect than Juancho, less trasladable stuff, Poeltl is a close call, but the Nuggets have two young stud Cs plus Lauvergne who is better suited to play smallball C as well.
Labissiere is a face-up PF with a worse all around skillset and upside than Hernangomez.

Trimble can do everything JMurray can and then more, with Mudiay size also you can play both together as a dynamic duo, even if Melo plays off the bench, I really like that fit.


How is Ellenson worse as a prospect than Hernangomez? And while the Nuggets have some centers, none of them have elite upside or are proven interior defenders. If you can get a shot blocker in there, you should. I honestly think the Nuggets could choose for any position because they're a young rebuilding team. Having said that, you're also forgetting Gary Harris who has been playing well as of late and the Nuggets like him a lot as a 3andD guy. If the Nuggets take another undersized 2, the pick won't play. They need variety at that position if they take a wing. You're also forgetting Will Barton who is that variety. Nuggets would more likely take a PG that would not turn the ball over and make threes. They would also pick for upside because they're young. Id say their biggest need is to get a PF that can shoot and replace Faried in the starting lineup.
And I'm sorry, how does Hernangomez have higher upside than Labissiere? That's just a ludacris comment.
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Re: Fischella's 2016 Mock Draft 

Post#43 » by skywalker33 » Sat Jan 23, 2016 10:46 pm

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skywalker33 wrote:I know you like him, but I really can't see Juancho Hernangomez going that high in the draft, I'd take Skal's potential, Poeltl's value or Ellenson's shooting ability for the Nuggets over him. Also, I agree that Murray's stock is falling but if he falls to the Nugget/HOU pick I can't see them passing his scoring potential for a backup PG, the 2017 draft seems like it will be loaded with them and Murray can swing into the position if necessary.

Ellenson is worse as a prospect than Juancho, less trasladable stuff, Poeltl is a close call, but the Nuggets have two young stud Cs plus Lauvergne who is better suited to play smallball C as well.
Labissiere is a face-up PF with a worse all around skillset and upside than Hernangomez.

Trimble can do everything JMurray can and then more, with Mudiay size also you can play both together as a dynamic duo, even if Melo plays off the bench, I really like that fit.


How is Ellenson worse as a prospect than Hernangomez? And while the Nuggets have some centers, none of them have elite upside or are proven interior defenders. If you can get a shot blocker in there, you should. I honestly think the Nuggets could choose for any position because they're a young rebuilding team. Having said that, you're also forgetting Gary Harris who has been playing well as of late and the Nuggets like him a lot as a 3andD guy. If the Nuggets take another undersized 2, the pick won't play. They need variety at that position if they take a wing. You're also forgetting Will Barton who is that variety. Nuggets would more likely take a PG that would not turn the ball over and make threes. They would also pick for upside because they're young. Id say their biggest need is to get a PF that can shoot and replace Faried in the starting lineup.
And I'm sorry, how does Hernangomez have higher upside than Labissiere? That's just a ludacris comment.


The Nuggets do have a strong interior defender in Nurkic, he just hasn't been able to show it this season due to his injury. Poeltl would allow us to create a strong trade piece without losing value. Mudiay wouldn't work as well with Trible because, as of right now he is not a strong scorer. Murray is 6'5" and can score as I see him as a SG/PG. He also can backup Mudiay as well as play along side him. Labissiere may take time to develop but the Nuggets have that time with Faried and Lauvergne at the 4 and Jokic and Nurkic at the 5. Ellenson is a good scorer as well, he would help as well. Herangomez is a developing player, but even Draft Express doesn't have him as a top 20 player.
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Re: Fischella's 2016 Mock Draft 

Post#44 » by Dcebucks11 » Sun Jan 24, 2016 8:47 am

Hernangomez doesn't look that great tbh.. Early 2nd round pick imo.. Id easily take Korkmaz who has a nice blend of length, mobility and shooting over him
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Post#46 » by JohnReese » Tue Feb 16, 2016 8:06 am

Murray will go higher than the 18#. He is showing he is a real scorer and a creative player. Those qualities are very valued in the league. Imho he is a Top10 for sure.

I also don't understand the Pistons pick. Malik Newman hasn't shown anything but rawness. Too risky, Pistons needs a sure shot. I can see Hield or Levert before of Newman. Also Grayson Allen could fit.

Referring to Ingram-Simmons thing, I can't see a GM taking his chances on beting for Ingram. Nobody will blame you for chosing Simmons over Ingram even if the last one ends up being a better pro. The other way round will hunt you for years.
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Re: Fischella's 2016 Mock Draft 

Post#47 » by drone3 » Wed Feb 17, 2016 5:09 am

Good mock. I would probably grab Hield, Murray, Skal, Melo before Korkmaz.
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Re: Fischella's 2016 Mock Draft 

Post#48 » by Gremz » Thu Feb 18, 2016 2:54 am

Love the idea of Hield in Indiana.
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Post#49 » by drone3 » Thu Feb 18, 2016 9:31 am

Gremz wrote:Love the idea of Hield in Indiana.


I really want him on the Bucks. He reminds me of a shorter version of Middleton with better handles.
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Post#50 » by Gremz » Thu Feb 18, 2016 9:35 am

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Gremz wrote:Love the idea of Hield in Indiana.


I really want him on the Bucks. He reminds me of a shorter version of Middleton with better handles.

Yeah, I definitely think he's a top 10 pick. Agreed that he'd work really well for Milwaukee. I really don't think he'll last past the lottery.
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Re: Fischella's 2016 Mock Draft 

Post#51 » by No-Man » Sun Feb 28, 2016 2:11 pm

Reminder of my Full Mock with FiveThirtyEight projections for the final standings: http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/draft_simulator/view/156996/

Plus my top40 prospects organised by roles

Ball-Handlers

Kris Dunn
Wade Baldwin IV
Tyler Ulis
Malik Newman
Melo Trimble
Demetrius Jackson

Wings

Timothé Luwawu-Cabarrot
Furkan Korkmaz
Jamal Murray
Buddy Hield
Denzel Valentine
Patrick McCaw
Isaia Cordinier
Grayson Allen
Caris LeVert
Malik Beasley
Dwayne Bacon
Rasheed Sulaimon

Swings

Brandon Ingram
Ben Simmons
Jaylen Brown
Juancho Hernangómez
Taurean Prince
Dorian Finney-Smith
Nigel Hayes
Paul Zipser

Bigs

Dragan Bender
Ivan Rabb
Jakob Poeltl
Damian Jones
Ivica Zubac
Henry Ellenson
Domantas Sabonis
Stephen Zimmerman
Skal Labissiere
Robert Carter Jr.
AJ Hammons
Diamond Stone
Petr Cornelie
Ante Zizic
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Re: Fischella's 2016 Mock Draft 

Post#52 » by No-Man » Fri Mar 4, 2016 7:02 pm

Quick update since only a quarter of the competition is left and the March Madness is starting soon,

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/draft_simulator/view/160059/
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Re: Fischella's 2016 Mock Draft 

Post#53 » by Homerclease » Fri Mar 4, 2016 11:41 pm

Fischella wrote:Quick update since only a quarter of the competition is left and the March Madness is starting soon,

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/draft_simulator/view/160059/

Diamond Stone dropping to the second? Crazier things have happened I suppose
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Re: Fischella's 2016 Mock Draft 

Post#54 » by skywalker33 » Sat Mar 5, 2016 5:20 pm

Well, if the draft fell the way you have it listed, here's what I see the Nuggets doing:
#7 SG/PG Jamal Murray
#15 PF Domas Sabonis
#18 C Skal Labissiere
#50 SG Damion Lee
#57 SF Nedim Buza
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Re: Fischella's 2016 Mock Draft 

Post#55 » by Justwar » Sun Mar 6, 2016 5:39 am

Fisc you just can't be real about Kentucky players lol you do this every year. Murray ripped trimble a new one at the pan am games, and this year is having one of the greatest freshman years of any one and done we have had. Whenever you wanna admit you can't be serious about our guys just let me know. I'm sorry your team fell off though. It has given you lots of time to mock.
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Re: Fischella's 2016 Mock Draft 

Post#56 » by No-Man » Sun Mar 6, 2016 11:24 am

Justwar wrote:Fisc you just can't be real about Kentucky players lol you do this every year. Murray ripped trimble a new one at the pan am games, and this year is having one of the greatest freshman years of any one and done we have had. Whenever you wanna admit you can't be serious about our guys just let me know. I'm sorry your team fell off though. It has given you lots of time to mock.

Seriously, I am one of the biggest Ulis supporters here, I have him ranked ahead of everybody, I had him as a 1st back in the summer when nobody even gave him a 2nd round rating, the biggest one probably, I loved Bledsoe, Terrence Jones, Davis and MKG as prospects, I dont like Calipari and I was wrong about Towns and Lyles, it happens, I still had Towns as a top3-4 pick and a 5-time All Star, I compared him to PGasol/Horford and it looks like I was short, I can live with that, also compared Lyles to Juwan Howard/Gooden I had him as a top20 pick also (not so bad of a career honestly) look for it you can find it.
But I am not biased anti-UK, my assesment of Murray is shared by most of the respected people out there, having him ranked somewhere between 10 and 15 is the right call, he is a terrific shooter that can attack close outs and is a smooth offensive player, well rounded, but he cant create separation off the dribble, nor play fulltime ballhandler and his physical tools are underwhelming.
My team fell off? you mean the team that just won the ACC? or the Mavs that are about to make the PO against all odds? :lol:
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Re: Fischella's 2016 Mock Draft 

Post#57 » by Silver Man » Mon Mar 7, 2016 10:05 pm

As a Kings fan I like you having us grab a shooting guard. Don't know too much about Furkan but you like him more than Buddy for the Kings?
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Re: Fischella's 2016 Mock Draft 

Post#58 » by skywalker33 » Mon Mar 14, 2016 6:29 pm

Fisc, Ulis is making a believer out of me too, he's CLUTCH !! Reminds me of of IT's play in BOS
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Re: Fischella's 2016 Mock Draft 

Post#59 » by No-Man » Tue Mar 15, 2016 8:23 am

My BB pre-TNMT looks something like this, I normally dont let the TNMT change my rankings much unless I see something impressive from somebody in a match-up against other NBA athletes/prospects

Brandon Ingram
Dragan Bender
Ben Simmons
Ivan Rabb
Kris Dunn
Jaylen Brown
Timothé Luwawu-Cabarrot
Jakob Poeltl
Juancho Hernangómez
Furkan Korkmaz
Wade Baldwin IV
Damian Jones
Ivica Zubac
Henry Ellenson
Jamal Murray
Malik Newman
Tyler Ulis
Domantas Sabonis
Stephen Zimmerman
Buddy Hield
Denzel Valentine
Skal Labissiere
Isaia Cordinier
Derrick Jones Jr.
Melo Trimble
Demetrius Jackson
Grayson Allen
AJ Hammons
Taurean Prince
Robert Carter Jr.
Chinanu Onuaku
Malcolm Brogdon
Patrick McCaw
Ante Zizic
Malik Beasley
Diamond Stone
Petr Cornelie
Dorian Finney-Smith
Caris LeVert
Ben Bentil

Those are 40 guys that I could see getting 1st round consideration as of now, some might not declare and I have left out the ones that I think wont declare for sure as of now.
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Re: Fischella's 2016 Mock Draft 

Post#60 » by No-Man » Tue Mar 15, 2016 8:43 am

Every possible prospect ranked by position, even though some will likely not declare;

Ball-Handlers

Kris Dunn
Wade Baldwin IV
Malik Newman
Tyler Ulis
Melo Trimble
Demetrius Jackson
Anthony Barber
Kahlil Felder
Monte Morris
Isaiah Taylor
Josh Adams
Tyrone Wallace
Yogi Ferrell
Fred VanVleet
Marcus Paige
Andrew Andrews
James Robinson

Wings

Timothé Luwawu-Cabarrot
Furkan Korkmaz
Jamal Murray
Buddy Hield
Denzel Valentine
Isaia Cordinier
Dejounte Murray
Derrick Jones Jr.
Grayson Allen
Patrick McCaw
Malcolm Brogdon
Malik Beasley
Caris LeVert
Dwayne Bacon
Rasheed Sulaimon
Tim Quarterman
Gary Payton II
DeAndre Bembry
Marko Guduric
Michael Gbinije
Sheldon McClellan
Wayne Selden
Isaiah Briscoe
Damion Lee
Ron Baker
Isaiah Cousins
Maodo Lô
Bryn Forbes
David Walker
Dario Brizuela

Swings

Brandon Ingram
Ben Simmons
Jaylen Brown
Juancho Hernangómez
Marquese Chriss
Taurean Prince
Justin Jackson
Dorian Finney-Smith
Troy Williams
Nigel Hayes
Paul Zipser
Nedim Buza
James Webb III
Rade Zagorac
Jaron Blossomgame
Jake Layman
Danuel House
Jalen Jones
Winston Shepard
Alex Poythress
Perry Ellis
Shavon Shields
Georges Niang
Rosco Allen

Bigs

Dragan Bender
Ivan Rabb
Jakob Poeltl
Damian Jones
Ivica Zubac
Deyonta Davis
Henry Ellenson
Jonathan Jeanne
Domantas Sabonis
Stephen Zimmerman
Skal Labissiere
AJ Hammons
Robert Carter Jr.
Cheick Diallo
Zhou Qi
Chinanu Onuaku
Diamond Stone
Petr Cornelie
Ante Zizic
Ben Bentil
Thomas Bryant
Prince Ibeh
Pascal Siakam
Marko Arapovic
Chris Boucher
Brice Johnson
Guerschon Yabusele
Jarrod Uthoff
Moussa Diagne
Kennedy Meeks
Marcus Lee
Andrey Desyatnikov
Shawn Long
Daniel Ochefu
Marshall Plumlee
Jameel Warney
Joel Bolomboy
Shaq Goodwin
Ricardo Gathers
Cameron Ridley
Tony Parker
Kaleb Tarczewski
Zach Auguste
Mike Tobey
Kyle Wiltjer
Tonye Jekiri
Ryan Anderson
Josh Scott
Devin Thomas
Anthony Gill

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