The Official 2011 Cammo Mock Draft Thread

[Cammo101]

A lot closer than most mocks a year out. I have had some years where it look like the mock got flipped upside down. Williams and Walker obviously made big jumps, but most of the top tier guys are right around where they are now. An entire season of college basketball usually causes a lot more changes than this one apparently did.

[DanTown8587]

Almost a year later, this was not all that far off on most guys. Though I certainly owe Derrick Williams an apology.

It is always weird to go this far back and see what your mocks looked like.

i think that's being fairly generous. This wasn't a really tough draft class to predict (maybe some of the guys not coming out was hard to predict) and you missed horribly on guys like Walker and Williams and had guys like Selby, Taylor and Thompkins who would not be the near lottery picks you predicted. You did alright, but I don't see that mock a year ago and go "boy, that guy really got a lot right".

[Cammo101]

Almost a year later, this was not all that far off on most guys. Though I certainly owe Derrick Williams an apology.

It is always weird to go this far back and see what your mocks looked like.

i think that's being fairly generous. This wasn't a really tough draft class to predict (maybe some of the guys not coming out was hard to predict) and you missed horribly on guys like Walker and Williams and had guys like Selby, Taylor and Thompkins who would not be the near lottery picks you predicted. You did alright, but I don't see that mock a year ago and go "boy, that guy really got a lot right".

I never said it was some sort of shrine to greatness. There are always going to be guys who come out of nowhere. No avoiding that. I'm just saying I'm pretty surprised it is as close as it is.

[GhostsOfGil]

really ppl? o.O thats pretty damn good cammo.. and one reason ur mocks are always the most popular

[Cammo101]

really ppl? o.O thats pretty damn good cammo.. and one reason ur mocks are always the most popular

Thanks. It's all good, haters come with the territory I suppose.

Derrick Williams and Kemba Walker are the 2 guys in the mock from a year ago that are just way too low. Williams I always liked, but did not see him getting this good this quickly. Walker I was not high on at all, but he sure has proved me wrong.

[Cammo101]

The Christian Ponder of basketball?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wizards-insider/post/a-dark-horse-at-no-6/2011/05/25/AGLgyNBH_blog.html

[Dr Positivity]

That would be an epic fail but I could see it

[Cammo101]

5/31/11

1. Cleveland - Kyrie Irving (6'2'', PG, Duke, Fresh.)
2. Minnesota - Derrick Williams (6'9'', PF, Arizona, Soph.)
3. Utah - Enes Kanter (6'11'', C, Turkey)
4. Cleveland - Jonas Valanciunas (6'10'', C, Lithuania)
5. Toronto - Brandon Knight (6'3'', PG, Kentucky, Fresh.)
6. Washington - Jan Vesely (6'11'', SF, Czech Republic)
7. Sacramento - Kemba Walker (6'0'', PG, UConn, Jr.)
8. Detroit - Kawhi Leonard (6'7'', SF, San Diego State, Soph.)
9. Charlotte - Tristan Thompson (6'9'', PF, Texas, Fresh.)
10. Milwaukee - Alec Burks (6'6'', SG, Colorado, Soph.)
11. Golden State - Bismack Biyombo (6'9'', PF, Congo)
12. Utah - Jimmer Fredette (6'2'', PG, BYU, Sr.)
13. Phoenix - Marcus Morris (6'9'', PF, Kansas, Jr.)
14. Houston - Donatas Motiejunas (7'0'', PF, Lithuania)
15. Indiana - Klay Thompson (6'6'', SG, Washington State, Jr.)
16. Philadelphia - Markieff Morris (6'9'', PF, Kansas, Jr.)
17. New York - Kenneth Faried (6'8'', PF, Morehead State, Sr.)
18. Washington - Jordan Hamilton (6'7'', SF, Texas, Soph.)
19. Charlotte - Marshon Brooks (6'5'', SG, Providence, Sr.)
20. Minnesota - Nikola Vucevic (6'11'', PF, USC, Jr.)
21. Portland - Davis Bertans (6'10'', SF, Latvia)
22. Denver - Chris Singleton (6'8'', SF, Florida State, Jr.)
23. Houston - Darius Morris (6'4'', PG, Michigan, Soph.)
24. Oklahoma City - Tyler Honeycutt (6'8'', SF, UCLA, Soph.)
25. Boston - Jordan Williams (6'10'', C, Maryland, Soph.)
26. Dallas - Tobias Harris (6'8'', SF, Tennessee, Fresh.)
27. New Jersey - Josh Selby (6'2'', SG, Kansas, Fresh.)
28. Chicago - Justin Harper (6'10'', PF, Richmond, Sr.)
29. San Antonio - Lucas Nogueira (7'0'', C, Brazil)
30. Chicago - Jeremy Tyler (6'10'', PF, USA)

31. Miami - Reggie Jackson (6'3'', SG, Boston College, Jr.)
32. Cleveland - Travis Leslie (6'4'', SG, Georgia, Jr.)
33. Detroit - Keith Benson (6'11'', C, Oakland, Sr.)
34. Washington - JaJuan Johnson (6'10'', PF, Purdue, Sr.)
35. New Jersey - Kyle Singler (6'9'', SF, Duke, Sr.)
36. Sacramento - Trey Thompkins (6'9'', PF, Georgia, Jr.)
37. LA Clippers - Nikola Mirotic (6'10'', PF, Montenegro)
38. Houston - Scottie Hopson (6'7'', SF, Tennessee, Jr.)
39. Charlotte - Nolan Smith (6'3'', SG, Duke, Sr.)
40. Milwaukee - Jimmy Butler (6'7'', SF, Marquette, Sr.)
41. LA Lakers - Cory Joseph (6'3'', PG, Texas, Fresh.)
42. Indiana - Shelvin Mack (6'2'', PG, Butler, Jr.)
43. Chicago - Charles Jenkins (6'3'', SG, Hofstra, Sr.)
44. Golden State - Jereme Richmond (6'7'', SF, Illinois, Fresh.)
45. New Orleans - Malcolm Lee (6'5'', SG, UCLA, Jr.)
46. LA Lakers - Chandler Parsons (6'8'', SF, Florida, Sr.)
47. LA Clippers - Bojan Bogdanovic (6'7'', SF, Croatia)
48. Atlanta - Greg Smith (6'10'', C, Fresno State, Soph.)
49. Memphis - DeAndre Liggins (6'6'', SG, Kentucky, Jr.)
50. Philadelphia - Jon Leuer (6'10'', PF, Wisconsin, Sr.)
51. Portland - Norris Cole (6'2'', PG, Cleveland State, Sr.)
52. Detroit - Iman Shumpert (6'4'', PG, Georgia Tech, Jr.)
53. Orlando - Furkan Aldemir (6'9'', PF, Turkey)
54. Cleveland - Jamie Skeen (6'9'', PF, VCU, Sr.)
55. Boston - Justin Holiday (6'6'', SF, Washington, Sr.)
56. LA Lakers - E'Twaun Moore (6'4'', SG, Purdue, Sr.)
57. Dallas - Joffrey Lauvergne (6'10'', PF, France)
58. LA Lakers - Michael Dunigan (6'10'', C, USA)
59. San Antonio - Isaiah Thomas (5'10'', PG, Washington, Jr.)
60. Sacramento - Matthew Bryan-Amaning (6'8'', PF, Washington, Sr.)


http://www.nbadraftguru.blogspot.com

[RTM]

After Leonard's poor athletic showing, I can't imagine he'll climb to 8. That being said, I think Biyombo and Thompson are the only other options for Detroit in this scenario. I imagine we'd go with the defensive big though.

It's been rumored that Joe D is really high on Jenkins and Cole, and if both are on the board at 33, I think he'd pick one.

Basically, I think we go big in the lotto (unless Kemba falls) and small in the 2nd.

[princeofpalace]

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Yeah, Im not feeling the Kawhi Leonard selection at 8 but I have no qualms with Benson at 33. I think he has a role as a shotblocker off the bench and DET desperately needs someone to block shots. I think that both Biyombo and Thompson should be higher on DETs board than Leonard, everything out of DET suggests that they are most likely to go big in round 1.

In round 2, Im hearing that they are looking for a SF but if none becomes available then a G. If someone like Tyler Honeycutt falls- I think he'd be great at 33.

[Ruzious]

That's a horrific draft you have for Washington - Vesely at 6 and Hamilton at 18. JaJuan Johnson at 34 would be the best player of the 3. If he could add some leg strength, it wouldn't even be close. I know all the mocks have Vesely high, but I don't see him as even a top 20 pick. He's just not a very good basketball player.

[Cammo101]

I'm not feeling Leonard at #8 either truthfully, but supposedly Detroit is really high on him.

[Cammo101]

That's a horrific draft you have for Washington - Vesely at 6 and Hamilton at 18. JaJuan Johnson at 34 would be the best player of the 3. If he could add some leg strength, it wouldn't even be close. I know all the mocks have Vesely high, but I don't see him as even a top 20 pick. He's just not a very good basketball player.

I think a Vesely, Hamilton, Johnson draft is a great draft for Washington. Vesely is legit and Hamilton is a lotto talent at #18 IMO. I think all 3 guys are BPA or very close to it at the spot I have them going.

[Ruzious]

That's a horrific draft you have for Washington - Vesely at 6 and Hamilton at 18. JaJuan Johnson at 34 would be the best player of the 3. If he could add some leg strength, it wouldn't even be close. I know all the mocks have Vesely high, but I don't see him as even a top 20 pick. He's just not a very good basketball player.

I think a Vesely, Hamilton, Johnson draft is a great draft for Washington. Vesely is legit and Hamilton is a lotto talent at #18 IMO. I think all 3 guys are BPA or very close to it at the spot I have them going.

What is it that you see in Vesely as far as skills? I see a guy who's nowhere near strong enough to play PF, doesn't shoot well, has very weak hands, doesn't rebound, runs around a lot without doing a thing, doesn't show he can guard people out on the perimeter (Teams go at him - what does that tell you?) - I've seen him get spun 180 degrees trying to cover a guard, he has awful ball-handling skills, and I didn't see anything special about his passing. I've seen one move from him - drive and dunk - that he won't be able to do against most NBA caliber athletes. At the very best, his ceiling is Jared Jeffries, but Jeffries is a better defender.

Hamilton has good size at the 3 and a scorer's mentality, but his mentality doesn't translate to playing well. He's a slow-footed shot-jacker. That might be ok, but he's an inefficient shot-jacker. He's not quick enough to defend anyone good. Also, he's looked like a guy with an awfully short fuse when I've seen him.

I agree with you on Johnson - BPA.

[Cammo101]

I think Vesely will be a SF at the NBA level. He has the size and athleticism to be a tremendously tough cover. He moves well, is a solid shooter, can take guys off the dribble, and is a decent defender. He is still a work in progress, but he has continued to improve. I think his ability to get out in transition will be a big plus playing with John Wall. Think Dunleavy with better athleticism but worse shooting.

Johnson is one of the best players in this class at making his own shot. He is a true scorer with an above average outside shot. Shot selection is an issue, but playing with Wall and not being asked to dominate will help there. IMO he can play the 2 or 3 and at worst can be an above average stand still shooter in the Michael Redd vein.

IMO both these guys compliment Wall nicely and both can play from day one. A team of Wall, Young, Shard, Blatche, McGee, Vesely, Hamilton, and Johnson is a nice young core to work with IMO.

[Ruzious]

I think Vesely will be a SF at the NBA level. He has the size and athleticism to be a tremendously tough cover. He moves well, is a solid shooter, can take guys off the dribble, and is a decent defender. He is still a work in progress, but he has continued to improve. I think his ability to get out in transition will be a big plus playing with John Wall. Think Dunleavy with better athleticism but worse shooting.

Johnson is one of the best players in this class at making his own shot. He is a true scorer with an above average outside shot. Shot selection is an issue, but playing with Wall and not being asked to dominate will help there. IMO he can play the 2 or 3 and at worst can be an above average stand still shooter in the Michael Redd vein.

IMO both these guys compliment Wall nicely and both can play from day one. A team of Wall, Young, Shard, Blatche, McGee, Vesely, Hamilton, and Johnson is a nice young core to work with IMO.

We'll have to agree to disagree completely on Vesely and - to a lesser extent on Hamilton.

Vesely's not a 19 year old like guys like Kanter and Jonny Valentine. He's 21, and I think skill-wise - what you see is what you get. He simply doesn't have any plus skills. He's not a good shooter; he's a poor shooter. My eyes and the stats show that. I have to laugh at his ability to run the court being basically his biggest strength. Every NBA 3 can run the court. It's basically a prerequisite. It's just because he's 6'11 that people gawk about it. And his playing the 3 isn't an option. He physically cannot play the 4 - at all. He's not strong enough, his hands suck, and he has no inside skills. Dribbling - have you seen him dribble in any kind of traffic? He ain't Dunleavy, Jr, my friend. He's very awkward. And Dunleavy has always had excellent passing skills - have you seen that from Vesely?

Honestly, I think it's absurd to compare him to Dunleavy. Dunleavy, at a younger age - had far far far superior perimeter skills. They're built somewhat similarly, are equally pale, and equally whimpy inside the paint, but other than that... no.

[Cammo101]

I think his best skill is the way he attacks the basketball. He has all the tools to be a very good NBA player. Big, athletic, skilled, and aggressive. Does he need to improve his jump shooting? Sure, but he improved it a lot since last year and shooting is the easiest NBA skill to pick up. It is all repetition.

Is he a surefire all star? Of course not, but no one in this draft is. I don't rate him ahead of Williams, Irving, or Kanter, but you could do a lot worse at #6. Like Kawhi Leonard for example.

[coordinator0]

I don't think Leonard's poor showing at the combine really means that much. The "Finding a Niche for: Kawhi Leonard" article on DX had this tidbit that I immeaditely thought of after the results came out:

Often compared to former MWC standout Shawn Marion, Leonard shares Marion's quick second bounce and ability to do a bit of everything. Though Leonard is often purported as a great athlete, he is far more smooth than explosive. He's not the type of player that can blow by a defender at will for an easy layup without first setting him up with a series of jabs, or someone who will finish at the basket because he can simply out-jump the players around him.

In that regard I guess they were kind of expecting him not to blow people away. I'm not a believer in the athletic testing results meaning anything anyways. Ford had a tweet about how he didn't get a warm-up before the tests were taken like the other prospects either. With that said I'm still not sure that Detroit would take him, but I wouldn't be against it either. Where did you here we were high on him?

[Sinister]

If the Bucks landed Burks and Jimmy Butler I'd be thrilled. Burks for his upside, and Butler for his ability to be a second rounder that will contribute from Day 1, that our coach would love.

Depending on a lot of people's opinions on Marcus Morris, I think Jimmy Butler is a poor man's Morris. Not sexy, but solid, productive and effecient.

Works for me.

[GhostsOfGil]

We'll have to agree to disagree completely on Vesely and - to a lesser extent on Hamilton.


Vesely's not a 19 year old like guys like Kanter and Jonny Valentine. He's 21, and I think skill-wise - what you see is what you get. He simply doesn't have any plus skills. He's not a good shooter; he's a poor shooter. My eyes and the stats show that. I have to laugh at his ability to run the court being basically his biggest strength. Every NBA 3 can run the court. It's basically a prerequisite. It's just because he's 6'11 that people gawk about it. And his playing the 3 isn't an option. He physically cannot play the 4 - at all. He's not strong enough, his hands suck, and he has no inside skills. Dribbling - have you seen him dribble in any kind of traffic? He ain't Dunleavy, Jr, my friend. He's very awkward. And Dunleavy has always had excellent passing skills - have you seen that from Vesely?

Honestly, I think it's absurd to compare him to Dunleavy. Dunleavy, at a younger age - had far far far superior perimeter skills. They're built somewhat similarly, are equally pale, and equally whimpy inside the paint, but other than that... no.

pretty much sums up the wiz board's feelings towards vesely. i dont think that guy has a single supporter over there