The Official 2011 Cammo Mock Draft Thread

Post #581 » by **Ruzious** » Fri Jun 3, 2011 5:48 pm

That's a smart board. :lol:

Btw, at this point, I think there's a decent chance Marcus Morris is the Wiz pick.

Cammo101 · Post #582 » by **Cammo101** » Fri Jun 3, 2011 7:09 pm

Ruzious wrote:That's a smart board.

Btw, at this point, I think there's a decent chance Marcus Morris is the Wiz pick.

I'm so torn on Marcus Morris. I loved him as a college player, but I can't shake the idea that he might be a dreaded tweener. He reminds me a lot of Darrell Arthur, who burnt me as a tweener a few years back when I was pretty high on him.

I wouldn't hate Morris at #6, but I'd definitely rather have Vesely if I am Washington.

Post #583 » by **Ruzious** » Fri Jun 3, 2011 9:06 pm

Cammo101 wrote:
Ruzious wrote:That's a smart board.

Btw, at this point, I think there's a decent chance Marcus Morris is the Wiz pick.

I'm so torn on Marcus Morris. I loved him as a college player, but I can't shake the idea that he might be a dreaded tweener. He reminds me a lot of Darrell Arthur, who burnt me as a tweener a few years back when I was pretty high on him.

I wouldn't hate Morris at #6, but I'd definitely rather have Vesely if I am Washington.

The thing that Morris has way over Arthur is a perimeter game. Arthur is strictly an under-sized PF, imo. In the right matchups - when he can use his athleticism and skills, Arthur looks real good, but ultimately - I think his lack o size catches up with him. I think Morris has all the skills to be an 18 plus PPG scorer at the 3; I just don't know how he'll do defensively - but I'm not going to assume he can't defend there, since he's a high BBIQ type. Vesely - you know what I think - he's simply got no game - zippy. He'll be back in Europe where the fans love him within a few years. I also think - if I'm smart enough to see that, most if not all NBA GM's are too, and he's going to slide a lot later than 6th - but all it takes is one soon to be ex-GM to make me wrong there.

Dr Positivity · Post #584 » by **Dr Positivity** » Sat Jun 4, 2011 12:00 am

I actually really like Darrell Arthur. I have him at the top of the list of MIP breakout candidates next year cause he's clearly going to sign on a new team with Memph's money concerns.

Vindicater · Post #585 » by **Vindicater** » Sat Jun 4, 2011 10:38 am

There is no way Minnesota takes Vucevic with the #20 pick. They have Darko/Pek/Randolph at the 5 spot and all are better than him.

Singleton is who they will take.

Post #586 » by **Ruzious** » Sat Jun 4, 2011 2:36 pm

Vindicater wrote:There is no way Minnesota takes Vucevic with the #20 pick. They have Darko/Pek/Randolph at the 5 spot and all are better than him.

Singleton is who they will take.

Randolph at center? God help TPup fans.

I concur - Singleton could be a good fit for them.

Cammo101 · Post #587 » by **Cammo101** » Sun Jun 5, 2011 4:09 pm

Ruzious wrote:
Vindicater wrote:There is no way Minnesota takes Vucevic with the #20 pick. They have Darko/Pek/Randolph at the 5 spot and all are better than him.

Singleton is who they will take.

Randolph at center? God help TPup fans.

I concur - Singleton could be a good fit for them.

They pass on a center because they have an average starting and average backup center? And they take a tweener forward when they already have Beasley, Love, and Randolph playing those roles?

Does not compute. They make take Singleton if they rate him higher, but center is definitely a bigger need.

Post #588 » by **Ruzious** » Sun Jun 5, 2011 8:24 pm

Cammo101 wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
Vindicater wrote:There is no way Minnesota takes Vucevic with the #20 pick. They have Darko/Pek/Randolph at the 5 spot and all are better than him.

Singleton is who they will take.

Randolph at center? God help TPup fans.

I concur - Singleton could be a good fit for them.

They pass on a center because they have an average starting and average backup center? And they take a tweener forward when they already have Beasley, Love, and Randolph playing those roles?

Does not compute. They make take Singleton if they rate him higher, but center is definitely a bigger need.

Don't get me wrong - the ONLY thing I was agreeing with him on was that Singleton could be a good fit there. "Magic" Randolph would never be on my roster if I was running a team - especially not as a center. And frankly, I'd dump Beasley for whatever value I could get for him.

Cammo101 · Post #589 » by **Cammo101** » Sun Jun 5, 2011 11:08 pm

Yeah, I was meaning to quote him, not you. In retrospect it would have been a lot less confusing had I just quoted him directly. But, it was a page back and I was lazy.

Singleton would not be a bad pick for Minnesota, but I think they need a center a lot more than a combo forward.

Vindicater · Post #590 » by **Vindicater** » Mon Jun 6, 2011 7:22 am

Cammo101 wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
Vindicater wrote:There is no way Minnesota takes Vucevic with the #20 pick. They have Darko/Pek/Randolph at the 5 spot and all are better than him.

Singleton is who they will take.

Randolph at center? God help TPup fans.

I concur - Singleton could be a good fit for them.

They pass on a center because they have an average starting and average backup center? And they take a tweener forward when they already have Beasley, Love, and Randolph playing those roles?

Does not compute. They make take Singleton if they rate him higher, but center is definitely a bigger need.

Why the hell would they take a centre prospect with the 20th pick when they allready have three centre prospects (Randolph will have to play centre next to Love.) who are clearly more talented than Vusevic. URRRGGGHHH...

Sure they take a centre if he passes Darko/Pek in the depth department, unfortunately Vusevic will be out of the NBA within 4 years.

Singleton on the other hand is a defensive swingman (and surprise surprise the Wolves are the worst defensive team in the NBA) who would fit the bill for this team at this point in the draft.

God... Vusevic over Singleton... yuck

Post #591 » by **Worm Guts** » Mon Jun 6, 2011 1:56 pm

Vindicater wrote:Why the hell would they take a centre prospect with the 20th pick when they allready have three centre prospects (Randolph will have to play centre next to Love.) who are clearly more talented than Vusevic. URRRGGGHHH...

If that's your philosphy, there's not much left to take at 20. Shooting guard and that's about it.

shangrila · Post #592 » by **shangrila** » Mon Jun 6, 2011 2:34 pm

Cammo101 wrote:They pass on a center because they have an average starting and average backup center? And they take a tweener forward when they already have Beasley, Love, and Randolph playing those roles?

Does not compute. They make take Singleton if they rate him higher, but center is definitely a bigger need.

So what you're saying is...they should take an even more average centre?

Cammo101 · Post #593 » by **Cammo101** » Mon Jun 6, 2011 7:26 pm

shangrila wrote:
Cammo101 wrote:They pass on a center because they have an average starting and average backup center? And they take a tweener forward when they already have Beasley, Love, and Randolph playing those roles?

Does not compute. They make take Singleton if they rate him higher, but center is definitely a bigger need.

So what you're saying is...they should take an even more average centre?

No, what I am saying is that they need a center a lot more than they need another combo forward.

shangrila · Post #594 » by **shangrila** » Tue Jun 7, 2011 6:18 pm

That's more of an argument for their first pick than the 20.

Post #595 » by **Worm Guts** » Tue Jun 7, 2011 6:52 pm

I don't about that. You're looking for top end players at the top of the draft, at #20 your looking for more developmental players. The Wolves don't have much room for a developmental 3/4.

BadWolf · Post #596 » by **BadWolf** » Tue Jun 7, 2011 7:14 pm

What do you think about Bertans?
Why is he so high?
He got no PT in Ljubljana.
Other then promising shooting, what's the catch there?

Cammo101 · Post #597 » by **Cammo101** » Tue Jun 7, 2011 7:44 pm

Worm Guts wrote:I don't about that. You're looking for top end players at the top of the draft, at #20 your looking for more developmental players. The Wolves don't have much room for a developmental 3/4.

+1

Cammo101 · Post #598 » by **Cammo101** » Tue Jun 7, 2011 7:46 pm

BadWolf wrote:What do you think about Bertans?
Why is he so high?
He got no PT in Ljubljana.
Other then promising shooting, what's the catch there?

I'm really high on this kid. He is raw and not ready for the NBA yet, but he is very skilled. 6'10'' players with his shooting ability do not come along too often. He is a natural scorer. In a draft with so few sure things, I see no reason a kid with his upside should go outside the top 15. Though, he is not receiving much hype and is much more likely to go in the late 20's as it stands now.

Cammo101 · Post #599 » by **Cammo101** » Tue Jun 7, 2011 7:46 pm

6/7/11

1. Cleveland - Kyrie Irving (6'2'', PG, Duke, Fresh.)
2. Minnesota - Derrick Williams (6'9'', SF, Arizona, Soph.)
3. Utah - Enes Kanter (6'11'', C, Turkey)
4. Cleveland - Jonas Valanciunas (6'10'', C, Lithuania)
5. Toronto - Brandon Knight (6'3'', PG, Kentucky, Fresh.)
6. Washington - Jan Vesely (6'11'', SF, Czech Republic)
7. Sacramento - Kemba Walker (6'0'', PG, UConn, Jr.)
8. Detroit - Alec Burks (6'6'', SG, Colorado, Soph.)
9. Charlotte - Tristan Thompson (6'9'', PF, Texas, Fresh.)
10. Milwaukee - Bismack Biyombo (6'9'', PF, Congo)
11. Golden State - Kawhi Leonard (6'7'', SF, San Diego State, Soph.)
12. Utah - Jimmer Fredette (6'2'', PG, BYU, Sr.)
13. Phoenix - Marcus Morris (6'9'', PF, Kansas, Jr.)
14. Houston - Donatas Motiejunas (7'0'', PF, Lithuania)
15. Indiana - Marshon Brooks (6'5'', SG, Providence, Sr.)
16. Philadelphia - Markieff Morris (6'9'', PF, Kansas, Jr.)
17. New York - Klay Thompson (6'6'', SG, Washington State, Jr.)
18. Washington - Tobias Harris (6'8'', SF, Tennessee, Fresh.)
19. Charlotte - Jordan Hamilton (6'7'', SF, Texas, Soph.)
20. Minnesota - Nikola Vucevic (7'0'', C, USC, Jr.)
21. Portland - Kenneth Faried (6'8'', PF, Morehead State, Sr.)
22. Denver - Chris Singleton (6'8'', SF, Florida State, Jr.)
23. Houston - Darius Morris (6'4'', PG, Michigan, Soph.)
24. Oklahoma City - Tyler Honeycutt (6'8'', SF, UCLA, Soph.)
25. Boston - Lucas Nogueira (7'0'', C, Brazil)
26. Dallas - Davis Bertans (6'10'', SF, Latvia)
27. New Jersey - Justin Harper (6'10'', PF, Richmond, Sr.)
28. Chicago - Jeremy Tyler (6'10'', C, USA)
29. San Antonio - Iman Shumpert (6'5'', PG, Georgia Tech, Jr.)
30. Chicago - Malcolm Lee (6'5'', SG, UCLA, Jr.)

31. Miami - Reggie Jackson (6'3'', SG, Boston College, Jr.)
32. Cleveland - Travis Leslie (6'4'', SG, Georgia, Jr.)
33. Detroit - Keith Benson (6'11'', C, Oakland, Sr.)
34. Washington - Josh Selby (6'2'', SG, Kansas, Fresh.)
35. New Jersey - JaJuan Johnson (6'10'', PF, Purdue, Sr.)
36. Sacramento - Trey Thompkins (6'9'', PF, Georgia, Jr.)
37. LA Clippers - Kyle Singler (6'9'', SF, Duke, Sr.)
38. Houston - Jordan Williams (6'10'', C, Maryland, Soph.)
39. Charlotte - Nolan Smith (6'3'', PG, Duke, Sr.)
40. Milwaukee - Jimmy Butler (6'7'', SF, Marquette, Sr.)
41. LA Lakers - Cory Joseph (6'3'', PG, Texas, Fresh.)
42. Indiana - Chandler Parsons (6'8'', SF, Florida, Sr.)
43. Chicago - Charles Jenkins (6'3'', SG, Hofstra, Sr.)
44. Golden State - Nikola Mirotic (6'10'', PF, Montenegro)
45. New Orleans - Jon Leuer (6'10'', PF, Wisconsin, Sr.)
46. LA Lakers - Scottie Hopson (6'7'', SF, Tennessee, Jr.)
47. LA Clippers - Norris Cole (6'2'', PG, Cleveland State, Sr.)
48. Atlanta - Greg Smith (6'10'', C, Fresno State, Soph.)
49. Memphis - DeAndre Liggins (6'6'', SG, Kentucky, Jr.)
50. Philadelphia - Jereme Richmond (6'7'', SF, Illinois, Fresh.)
51. Portland - Shelvin Mack (6'2'', PG, Butler, Jr.)
52. Detroit - Bojan Bogdanovic (6'7'', SF, Croatia)
53. Orlando - Jamie Skeen (6'9'', PF, VCU, Sr.)
54. Cleveland - Furkan Aldemir (6'9'', PF, Turkey)
55. Boston - Justin Holiday (6'6'', SF, Washington, Sr.)
56. LA Lakers - E'Twaun Moore (6'4'', SG, Purdue, Sr.)
57. Dallas - Joffrey Lauvergne (6'10'', PF, France)
58. LA Lakers - Michael Dunigan (6'10'', C, USA)
59. San Antonio - Isaiah Thomas (5'10'', PG, Washington, Jr.)
60. Sacramento - Matthew Bryan-Amaning (6'8'', PF, Washington, Sr.)

http://www.nbadraftguru.blogspot.com

Vindicater · Post #600 » by **Vindicater** » Tue Jun 7, 2011 9:15 pm

Cammo101 wrote:
Worm Guts wrote:I don't about that. You're looking for top end players at the top of the draft, at #20 your looking for more developmental players. The Wolves don't have much room for a developmental 3/4.

+1

Why not take Lucas Noqueira then with the 20th pick as he has the chance to develop into something alot greater then Vucevic (the great big stiff) can.

Singleton on the other hand has an easily identifiable and NBA ready skill in his defence. At the #20 spot you can also look for a niche player and that is singleton (or a number of much better options than Vucevic)