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Finally, Av's Mock. 1-30, full exp, career projections/comps

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:44 pm
by Avalanche
Disclamer: These Comparisons and Projections are not meant to be exact, if I compare one player to an existing NBA guy its not because they are going to play the exact same way or that they will be as successful/unsuccessful, its just to get a general idea of the impact they will have on the league, the 'type' of player they will be

I also realise that the projections for everyone err on the side of being positive, I'm not going to outright say that someone is going to bust and be out of the league in 3 years. I know its likely that a number of these players do just that.. but they all have potential to stick in the league if they land in the right situation and work hard, so for now it may all seem a little on the positive side, but its intended that way:


1. New Orleans - Anthony Davis (6'10", PF, Kentucky, Fresh)
Overview: No brainer for the Hornets at number 1, they hit the lottery jackpot in a year with a clear cut number 1 prospect. Davis will immediately help them on the court with his defence, and should still score in double digits most nights just off his athleticism, length and hustle alone. His offensive arsenal and confidence will grow throughout the season, bona fide superstar.
Trade Potential: None
Alternate pick(s): None
Best Case: Kevin Garnett
Worst Case: Marcus Camby
Career Projection: Has all the talents to excel at the next level, once the offensive game develops he will be a perennial all-star, DPOY candidate and could reach the top tier of power forwards of all time.

2. Charlotte - Thomas Robinson (6'9", PF, Kansas, Jr)
Overview: Tough decision for a team with so many holes in its roster and no clear cut second best player in the draft. Robinson is a proven performer, a big time rebounder with a consistent all be it not explosive scoring output. They may be tempted to swing for the fences on a higher potential player but the Bobcats cannot afford a bust at this stage, they take a proven performer.
Trade Potential: Low, with the range of players available between 2-8 in this draft, Charlotte is very unlikely to find enough value coming back to warrant moving the pick.
Alternate pick(s): Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Andre Drummond
Best Case: Antonio Mcdyess
Worst Case: Kenyon Martin
Career Projection: Low bust potential, likely to reach his prime quickly and stay there for a long time. Will join the Millsap, Jefferson tier of players with good numbers, and may reach all-star consideration if he is on a successful team at some stage.

3. Washington - Bradley Beal (6'4", SG, Florida, Fresh)
Overview: Washington is set to take either Beal or Michael Kidd-Gilchrist here, both guys have impressed at the combine and in workouts since. John Wall needs a scorer next to him, and the Wizards take Beal to solidify their back court for the foreseeable future. Beals aggressiveness, shooting and all round game at the 2 spot fits perfectly with the speed of a John Wall lead team.
Trade Potential: Low, Washington is high on 2 players, and at least one of them will be available.
Alternate pick(s): Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Best Case: Eric Gordon
Worst Case: Randy Foye
Career Projection: Concerns about Beals size have been removed with combine results and successful workouts against longer players like Harrison Barnes, Beal has a good attitude, a strong frame and should get off to a good start to his career running with John Wall in Washington, likely to reach a couple of all-star games during his career.


4. Cleveland - Harrison Barnes (6'8", SF, North Carolina, Soph)
Overview: Cleveland wants a scoring wing to add to the core of Irving and Thompson, they had Beal and Barnes come in for a workout and were impressed with both. With Beal off the board they select Barnes who is also one of Irving’s best friends, and should help his transition to the pro’s.
Trade Potential: Low. Could look at trading down a couple of spots if they feel like they could still get Barnes or Beal, could only go as low as 6th.
Alternate pick(s): Bradley Beal
Best Case: Glenn Rice
Worst Case: Marvin Williams
Career Projection: Needs to add range and consistency to his shot, his pull up mid-range game will always be there but will need to become more versatile and reliable to be the scorer he has the potential to be. Likely to be a career double digit scorer with good defence, but the Cavs will expect more than that. 16-17ppg player for the majority of his career, possibility of some all-star talk but most likely a 3rd option on good teams.

5. Sacramento - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (6'6", SF, Kentucky, Fresh)
Overview: The Kings are left in a great spot to snap up the second best player in the draft, Kidd-Gilchrist has everything you could want in a prospect. He is a leader, a versatile and tenacious defender, rebounds, runs the break and is a great fit with the likes of Thornton and Cousins for the Kings.
Trade Potential: Medium. Will likely get offers from a number of teams for the pick and Tyreke Evans (together or separately) on draft night, and are in a position to consider any deal to improve the team, not locked on any prospect currently.
Alternate pick(s): Harrison Barnes, Andre Drummond
Best Case: Scottie Pippen
Worst Case: Gerald Wallace
Career Projection: Kidd-Gilchrist seems destined, at least on the surface to become an Iguadala, Gerald Wallace level and style of player. What many have not seen is that he has that rare desire and intensity that only some of the greatest players to step on the hardwood have possessed, give Andre Iguadala or Gerald Wallace a Kevin Garnett level of intensity in practice and during games, I don’t think we have seen a player like that in the NBA yet. Multiple all-NBA and all-defensive teams.

6. Portland - Andre Drummond (6'10", C, UConn, Fresh)
Overview: There is basically a solid top 6 prospects in this years draft, and the Blazers sit in a nice spot to simply select whichever one drops to them. Drummond has all the physical tools to be successful in the NBA as long as he gets the right coaching and is dedicated to improving. An Aldridge/Drummond front court could cause big problems in the Western Conference long term.
Trade Potential: Medium. Portland also owns the number 11 pick, and while having 2 picks that high would give them 2 solid building blocks it also opens up potential trades to move up, down or package both picks for an established player.
Alternate pick(s): Whichever of the top 6 falls to them
Best Case: Dwight Howard (Not the same level of impact defensively)
Worst Case: Sam Dalembert
Career Projection: Drummonds size alone will get him playing time early in his career and will at least contribute defensively and on the boards. May take a few years to grow as a player and affect the game in more areas, too physically gifted to completely bust. May be a late bloomer but should reach a number of all-star games in a centre deprived league.

7. Golden State - Damian Lillard (6'2", PG, Weber State, Jr)
Overview: Lillard has been moving up and up on most mocks since the college season ended. Front offices are getting a chance to see him up close and realizing his talent will definitely make an impact in the NBA. Perhaps not an ideal fit in Golden State, but should be able to play with Curry and of course take over if the injury bug hits again.
Trade Potential: Medium. Most likely pick to be moved so far, could try and package it with a bad contract, or get an immediate impact wing player to join Curry and Bogut.
Alternate pick(s): Jared Sullinger
Best Case: Less athletic Derrick Rose
Worst Case: Jerryd Bayless
Career Projection: Has too much talent not to find a long term place in the league, but may not justify being taken this high. Likely to be a solid, but not spectacular player, 3rd-4th option on good teams

8. Toronto - Jeremy Lamb (6'5", SG, UConn, Soph)
Overview: The Raptors are still searching for an offensive go to player, with neither Derozan nor Bargniani possessing the scoring versatility to embrace the role. Lamb was a top 10 lock throughout most of the college season, may have dropped a little recently due to how the season ended and some interview/attitude concerns. But his length, shooting ability and potential to be a go to scorer down the line will convince Toronto.
Trade Potential: Medium. There are a number of scoring wing players the Raptors could look at, but could also trade down for the likes of Terrence Ross.
Alternate pick(s): Austin Rivers, Damian Lillard
Best Case: Reggie Miller
Worst Case: Anthony Morrow
Career Projection: Unlikely to reach his vast potential, seems to have a laid back, care free attitude and while this does not necessarily mean that players will not work as hard as others, Lamb already seems to have cruised through a year of college ball. Likely to be a long term starter, but have a Jason Terry like impact, could score in bunches, hassle people defensively, but won’t likely produce big time 40+ minute efforts to will teams to wins.

9. Detroit - John Henson (6'10", PF, North Carolina, Jr)
Overview: The Pistons seem set at point guard and Centre, so its time to fill the roster with players to compliment Knight and especially Monroe. Henson and Monroe fit together almost perfectly in the front court, hiding each others weaknesses (especially defensively) and are versatile enough to not get in the others way offensively.
Trade Potential: Low. Could look to off-load a bad deal such as Gordon or Charlie V, but likely just want to keep adding young, cheap guys to the roster.
Alternate pick(s): Dion Waiters
Best Case: Serge Ibaka
Worst Case: Sean Williams
Career Projection: Defensively he will earn himself minutes, he can rebound the ball and especially block/alternate a lot of shots. Will need to fill out physically to avoid getting pushed around inside, if he develops his jumper and offensive game he can be an impact player. Unlikely to be an all-star but a defensive presence good for double digit points and multiple blocks over a long career.

10. New Orleans - Jared Sullinger (6'9", PF, Ohio State, Soph)
Overview: Could easily take a back court player as well, but if they plan on bringing Eric Gordon back then solidifying a young front court in one night will be far too tempting. Sullinger and Davis complement each other well, Sullinger able to use his bulk in the post while Davis has the length and shot blocking to roam around playing help defence. A solid, low risk pick after already taking a superstar.
Trade Potential: Medium-High. Reported very early on that the Hornets could look to move the number 10 pick to a team willing to take on Okafor or Arizas contracts,
Alternate pick(s): Damian Lillard, Dion Waiters
Best Case: Al Jefferson (less post moves, similar production)
Worst Case: Glen Davis
Career Projection: Skills are already there, frame is already NBA ready. Won’t take Sullinger long to contribute, likely to be a solid but not spectacular pro. Very similar in impact to Luis Scola, though obviously joining the league at a younger age will improve his career by comparison.

11. Portland - Dion Waiters (6'4", SG, Syracuse, Soph)
Overview: Waiters has shut down workouts with a promise from a lottery team, while the Portland GM has only been in the position for a matter of days I can still see the Blazers taking Waiters with their second pick. With the front court now set, and Jamal Crawford becoming a free agent he could be looking at big minutes right away.
Trade Potential: Medium. As mentioned earlier with Portland having 2 picks in the top 11, their options and offers as far as moving up, down, or completely out of the draft will be vast
Alternate pick(s):Damian Lillard, Kendall Marshall
Best Case: Dwyane Wade – Light (take 20%)
Worst Case: Randy Foye
Career Projection: Given the right situation Waiters could put up some solid numbers early in his career, however given his physical limitations and the depth of shooting guards in this draft, may be looked as a bust long term. Possible starter, likely 6-7th man on strong teams.

12. Milwaukee - Perry Jones (6'11, PF, Baylor, Soph)
Overview: At this point the draft starts to open up, the next 8-9 picks could go anywhere. The bucks made a deal for Monta Ellis last season and are looking to lock up Jennings long term, so the easy assumption is they will be looking for front court help. Perry Jones is the one huge boom or bust type player on the board and the Bucks swing for the fences. A good pick to do so in the late lottery.
Trade Potential: Low-Medium. Milwaukee has a lot of movable pieces, some free agent issues to address and a number of gaps in the roster (front court especially), but this pick probably holds more value to them than what they would get in return.
Alternate pick(s): Meyers Leonard, Tyler Zeller
Best Case: Chris Bosh
Worst Case: Andray Blatche
Career Projection: His physical gifts alone will ensure he has a long career, and will likely have the ‘potential’ label on him for years much like the Tyrus Thomas, Anthony Randolphs of the league. He doesn’t have quite the level of character issues as Andray Blatche, so if you were able to insert a somewhat engaged Blatche into a line up for 30 minutes a night, that is the level of production we can expect from Jones. An ideal situation and he may develop into a much better player, but Jennings, Monta and a group of younger players may not be the right place.

13. Phoenix - Austin Rivers (6'4", SG, Duke, Fresh)
Overview: Pheonix need a star in the worst way, Nash looks likely to leave and even if he doesn’t there can only be so many years left in him. The Suns have a solid big man in Gortat, but other than that the roster is wide open. Rivers brings them a recognizable name to fans, a guy they would know thanks to his heritage and his play at Duke. He also has great scoring ability, a quick first step, and the confidence to come in to a rebuilding situation as a player that will be relied upon to put up points.
Trade Potential: Low-Medium. Pheonix is in the one of the best value ranges of this draft, could attempt to move up but lack real assets
Alternate pick(s): Perry Jones, Terrenc Ross
Best Case: Russel Westbrook (as a 2)
Worst Case: Ben Gordon
Career Projection: Austin was born to play in the NBA, he has been around the league his whole life and even his father Doc says he only went to college because he had to, to Rivers the NBA is basketball and he has been practicing against, and sizing himself up against NBA players his whole life. His confidence, his first step and his knowledge of the league and what it takes to succeed will push him past the 6th man title most want to give him, a high offense, high energy 2 guard that will produce at a Kevin Martin like rate in the league.

14. Houston - Tyler Zeller (6'11", C, North Carolina, Sr)
Overview: The Rockets have a solid roster, but seem set for a lot of movement in the off-season. They are too good to fall to the bottom of the lottery but no where near being a contending team. If they keep the pick, and lose Marcus Camby to free agency then Zeller makes a lot of sense. Great running the floor, true 7 footer with good hands and should be able to contribute right away.
Trade Potential: Medium-High. Just about everything on the roster will be in play on draft night, including the pick. A lot of teams trying to move up, others will be willing to move down if they can get some talent back from Houston.
Alternate pick(s): Terrence Ross, Arnett Moultrie
Best Case: Pau Gasol (minus the vast array of post moves)
Worst Case: Mareese Speights
Career Projection: With his size, experience and willingness to get out and run the floor, Zeller will find himself a place in any rotation reasonably quickly. Likely to spend his career as a part time starter/first big off the bench depending on the situation. If he can find an ideal spot down the road in a run and gun team that boosts his rebounds and points he may join the top 10 centre discussion, but is unlikely to go beyond a 15 point, 8 rebound type season.

15. Philadelphia - Terrence Ross (6'7", SG, Washington, Soph)
Overview: Ross has been all over the place in mock drafts this past season, seemingly underrated the majority of the time and at 15th is probably slightly below where his talent should be. Would join a loaded wing spot in Philly but they take the best player available and see what shakes loose during the off-season.
Trade Potential: Medium. Would be unlikely to move the pick alone, as the player they select will likely be able to contribute right away and be on a cheap deal but, if the right offer comes for Iguadala or another guy on the roster the pick could be a part of it.
Alternate pick(s): Arnett Moultrie, Tyler Zeller
Best Case: Jason Richardson
Worst Case: JR Smith
Career Projection: Has all the tools you could want in a 2 guard, has the potential to be a 20 point scorer in prime seasons and play solid defence. Likely never quite breaks that 20ppg barrier but will be a solid, long term starting 2 guard able to score in the high teens while contributing in other areas.

16. Houston -Kendall Marshall (6'3", PG, North Carolina, Soph)
Overview: It appears that the rockets will be unable to go long term with both Dragic and Lowry at the point guard spot. If one of those guys is off the roster next season then Marshall could step right in to the back up spot. If nothing else he will still have great playmaking ability to organize a second unit offense.
Trade Potential: High. As with their other pick, anything on the roster including the picks will be in play for Houston. With 2 picks so close together the potential to move up or down is limitless if they have their eye on certain prospects.
Alternate pick(s): Terrence Ross, Arnett Moultrie
Best Case: Andre Miller
Worst Case: Sebastian Telfair
Career Projection: Usually, players with one elite skill can find themselves a place on an NBA roster, regardless of how the rest of Marshalls game develops his playmaking will still be great even by NBA standards. May not be fast enough, or possess the scoring ability to be a starting guard, likely finds a long term niche as a “leader of the second unit”.

17. Dallas - Terrence Jones (6'9", PF, Kentucky, Fresh)
Overview: Dallas is still a competitive team which, with cap space this off-season could improve even more so. Teams in their situation have the luxury of picking the best player available and allowing them to develop behind established stars. Jones was pencilled in as a top 10 pick before the season but has been overshadowed by the Kentucky Freshman. A steal at 17, and with Dirk/Marion there as mentors he could be a star.
Trade Potential: Low-Medium. Likely to try and make a big free agent splash, and with a lot of veterans on the roster, could use cheap rookie contract production and are in the perfect range for this draft.
Alternate pick(s): Meyers Leonard, Arnett Moultrie
Best Case: Josh Smith
Worst Case: Thadeus Young
Career Projection: As long as Jones finds good coaching and veteran mentors early in his career, he has all the talent to be successful. Can score, rebound, block shots and could be the good kind of 3-4 tweener that allows coaches to play versatile line ups. A late bloomer, but a potential steal and starter material on a playoff team.

18. Minnesota - Meyers Leonard (7', C, Illinois, Soph)
Overview: Minnesota needs a wing players, however with a guy like Leonard still on the board somehow they would take it and work the rest out later. Could potentially trade down and target guys like Deron Lamb, Quincy Miller etc. Or just slot Leonard in behind Pekovic and add to an already strong front court
Trade Potential: Medium-High. A lot of assets on the roster and a group of solid swingmen only a few picks above them makes it likely they try and move the pick.
Alternate pick(s): Moe Harkless
Best Case: Roy Hibbert
Worst Case: Patrick Obryant
Career Projection: Still extremely raw, has the physical gifts but his desire and ability to reach his potential is in question. Likely that Leonard will work hard enough to avoid being labelled a bust, but also lacks that intense work ethic that the best players need in order to take their games to another level. Solid back up centre.

19. Orlando - Moe Harkless (6'8", SF, St John's, Fresh)
Overview: The Magic have the same major issue as they have for the previous 12+ months, and that is what is going to happen with Dwight Howard. A pick this late in the draft will neither convince him to stay or leave, and without knowing if they are entering a full rebuild they take a best player available candidate in Harkless.
Trade Potential: Medium-High. All depending on the Howard saga, could look to trade it for proven players.
Alternate pick(s): Royce White, Arnett Moultrie
Best Case: Wilson Chandler
Worst Case: Devin Ebanks
Career Projection: Harkless is a great athlete, who was not able to fully showcase his skills at the small forward spot due to how thin his team was in the front court. He did however show the ability to help out in multiple positions, at the very least he will rebound and run his way into a role off the bench by seasons end. Likely never more than a bench energy guy.

20. Denver – Royce White (6'8", PF, Iowa St, Soph)
Overview: Denver has young players locked up long term at every position if they retain Javale Mcgee so will not be drafting for a specific position. Royce White is a versatile player with unique abilities depending on which position he is being played at. Could easily find a role immediately off the bench in Denver and his ability to Rebound and either start the break himself or throw on point outlet passes would boost their already fast style of play.
Trade Potential: Low-Medium. Not likely to trade away the chance to add more young talent on cheap deals with so many players locked up.
Alternate pick(s): Arnett Moultrie, Fab Melo
Best Case: Stronger Boris Diaw
Worst Case: Dajuan Blair
Career Projection: White is undersized for the power forward position, which is likely where he will be played long term. His ball handling, passing and ability to run the offense from that position is elite however his lack of shooting and length may hurt him. Playing on the wings he would have elite rebounding and strength, but would struggle to keep up with NBA wing players. Likely to end up as a specialist role player

21. Boston - Quincy Miller (6'9", SF, Baylor, Fresh)
Overview: After coming off a major knee injury Miller was solid in his one college season but rarely showed off the talent he had in high school for more than a couple of plays at a time. Ainge has proven success taking former high school stars who dropped in the draft (Avery Bradley) and if there was anyone in the league Miller could work with its Paul Pierce, who could help him with creating his shot despite not having great athleticism.
Trade Potential: High. Boston is trying to move up at least 5 to 6 spots in the draft.
Alternate pick(s): Arnett Moultrie, Fab Melo
Best Case: Kevin Durant Light
Worst Case: Channing Frye
Career Projection: At worst, Millers length and shooting ability will allow him to play as a stretch forward knocking down outside shots. At best, with the right attitude and work ethic, he could be one of the true steals in the draft. If he can learn different ways to get to the basket and get closer shots he could be a handful for most small forwards with his size.

22. Boston - Arnett Moultrie (6'11, PF, Mississippi State, Jr)
Overview: Celtics need front court help, Moultrie has slid down into their hands and is a gift at 22, has great length, size and ability. Lacks consistent intensity on the court but if they can bring back Garnett he will get a crash course in it. Will at least help them on the boards and add length to a thin front line.
Trade Potential: High. As above
Alternate pick(s): Fab Melo, Andrew Nicholson
Best Case: Jermaine O’neil
Worst Case: Sean Williams
Career Projection: Has all the physical gifts to be successful, once he manages to refine his game could easily be a starter, but likely fills in long term as a bench big. Think Jordan Hill for this years lakers.

23. Atlanta - Fab Melo (7', C, Syracuse, Soph)
Overview: The draft has reached its final tier in the first round, and picks now will be as much about fit as they are talent. Atlanta could really use a shot blocker and a true centre, while Melo is a work in progress he should be able to give them useful minutes against bigger centres.
Trade Potential: Medium. The Hawks still have most of their roster playing in their prime, while not seriously contending for a title. Pick could be used to get an established player, or packaged to move up.
Alternate pick(s): Tony Wroten, Doron Lamb
Best Case: Tyson Chandler with zero intensity
Worst Case: Desagana Diop
Career Projection: Unlikely to ever break into a starting line up, will have the length and defensive ability to play consistent minutes off the bench for years. Does not seem to have the attitude to get the most out of his talents

24. Cleveland - Doron Lamb (6'4", SG, Kentucky, Soph)
Overview: Assuming they now have Irving and Barnes on the roster, Lamb would give them a great shooter at the 2 guard who is also able to take over some point guard duties if Irving is off or pressured full court. Solid player, hard worker and likely to be a steal this late.
Trade Potential: Medium. Likely to listen to offers in order to move up.
Alternate pick(s): Jeffrey Taylor, Andrew Nicholson
Best Case: Taller Jason Terry
Worst Case: Eddie House
Career Projection: With the right players around him could likely develop into a starting 2 guard, though would struggle defensively with some of the bigger shooting guards. Likely to find a spot off the bench in the Terry mould, possibly even a better player than a defensive guy starting in front of him.

25. Memphis - Jeffery Taylor (6'7", SF, Vanderbilt, Sr)
Overview: Memphis took a step back last season and will be looking to improve the team in order to jump back up into contention in the West. A late draft pick is unlikely to make a big difference to that kind of plan but taking an athletic, proven senior like Taylor makes a lot of sense and going against players like Gay, Tony Allen etc in practice would only help him more.
Trade Potential: Medium-High. Will be looking for established players to add to their core of guys in their prime.
Alternate pick(s): Andrew Nicholson, Draymond Green
Best Case: Al Harrington
Worst Case: James Anderson
Career Projection: Has a chance to stick in the NBA if he focusses on defense and hitting the corner 3, likely a 9-10th man if he can develop defensively.

26. Indiana - Tony Wroten (6'5", SG, Washington, Fresh)
Overview: Indiana was a second round playoff team, while still boasting one of the leagues youngest rosters. Taking Wroten would be a win-win for them, they have guards in place who can keep the team going, but at the same time they aren’t star level players who will keep Wroten rotting on the pine if he does happen to excel.
Trade Potential: High. Need to spend big money to re-sign Hibbert, may sell out of the first round
Alternate pick(s): Marquis Teague
Best Case: Tyreke Evans
Worst Case: Marquis Daniels
Career Projection: Has the potential to prove a lot of the doubters wrong and become a steal this late, would be a great position for him to land with the starting PG spot up in the air for the Pacers, but unlikely to get to that stage. Decent, yet frustrating 4th guard.

27. Miami - Marquis Teague (6'2", PG, Kentucky, Fresh)
Overview: The heat see a former 5 star point guard recruit drop to them, take him and run. Teague has experience playing on a loaded team without getting frustrated about looks or shots, improved his playmaking ability and seems to have the personality to fit with the Heat.
Trade Potential: Low. Cheap talent on a team that is spending most of its cap on 3 players
Alternate pick(s): Draymond Green, Festus Ezeli
Best Case: Better than Jeff Teague
Worst Case: Darren Collison
Career Projection: Overlooked due to a stacked team and also a deep draft, Teague appears to be a better player long term than his brother who starts for a playoff team in the East. Could easily see him slotting into the Miami starting point spot within a couple of years.

28. Oklahoma City - Andrew Nicholson (6'9", PF, St. Bonaventure, Sr)
Overview: The Thunder have young talent at every position, one thing they do lack is a post scorer. Finding one this late in the draft is ideal for a team coming off a finals berth, Nicholson could give them minutes straight away and a different look offensively than Perkins, Collison and Ibaka.
Trade Potential: Low. Cheap value to a team that is going to need to pay big money to keep its free agents, rookie contracts will be gold.
Alternate pick(s): Festus Ezeli, Draymond Green
Best Case: Skinny Al Jefferson
Worst Case: Skinny Dajuan Blair
Career Projection: Should be a solid 4th big from the get go, never be strong enough to be a starting front court player but his versatile offense could help a team like the thunder with a primarily defensive front line.

29. Chicago - Evan Fournier (6'7", SG, France)
Overview: The Bulls will have an interesting season with Rose out for the majority of it, and may not want to play rookies while they try to stay near the top of the East. Fournier is young, but experienced and will get a chance to prove himself in practice, could become a good wing man next to Rose down the line.
Trade Potential: High. May sell out of the first and stick with veterans
Alternate pick(s): Draymond Green
Best Case: John Salmons
Worst Case: 6’7 Yi Jianlian
Career Projection: Has a chance to stick in the league, International experience will help him a lot. Will have to earn minutes in a strong Chicago line up. May make more of an impact 5-6 years into his career

30. Golden State - Draymond Green (6'6", SF, Michigan State, Sr)
Overview: Golden State has moved into more of a win now mode with the addition of Bogut, Draymond Green is a proven performer over 4 years at Michigan and his versatility and toughness would be a great addition to the Warriors.
Trade Potential: Medium. Multiple picks in the draft and a lot of flexibility, though the 30th pick is not exactly a coveted one with early second rounders being cheaper.
Alternate pick(s): Festus Ezeli
Best Case: Boris Diaw
Worst Case:
Career Projection: Strong, smart and competitive. Green should do enough to work his way into an NBA rotation and be a versatile player deep off the bench.

Re: Finally, Av's Mock. 1-30, full exp, career projections/c

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:03 pm
by Avalanche

Re: Finally, Av's Mock. 1-30, full exp, career projections/c

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:54 am
by Avalanche
Realise thats a LOT of reading just for a thread/post... heres the short version:

1. Hornets: Davis
2. Bobcats: Robinson
3. Wizards: Beal
4. Cavs: Barnes
5. Kings: Kidd-Gilchrist
6. Blazers: Drummond
7. Warriors: Lillard
8. Raptors: Lamb
9. Pistons: Henson
10. Hornets: Sullinger
11. Blazers: Waiters
12. Bucks: P.Jones
13. Suns: Rivers
14. Rockets: Zeller
15. 76'ers: Ross
16. Rockets: Marshall
17. Mavs: T.Jones
18. Wolves: Leonard
19. Magic: Markless
20. Nuggets: White
21. Celtics: Q.Miller
22. Celtics: Moultrie
23. Hawks: Melo
24. Cavs: Lamb
25. Grizzlies: Taylor
26. Pacers: Wroten
27. Heat: Teague
28. Thunder: Nicholson
29. Bulls: Fournier
30. Warriors: Green

Re: Finally, Av's Mock. 1-30, full exp, career projections/c

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:57 am
by djthesonicsfan
Nicholson would be a great pick for the notSonics!

Re: Finally, Av's Mock. 1-30, full exp, career projections/c

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:34 pm
by tidho
Was a lot of reading, but well worth it. Very well done mock that's extremely logical.

For my Cavaliers you're going with Barnes and DLamb, which makes sense and would be a great combination for us.

Re: Finally, Av's Mock. 1-30, full exp, career projections/c

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:20 pm
by Avalanche
Thanks! and yeh I realise it ended up being extremely long, but was doing it for another reason as well as to post here, so hopefully people are taking the time to read through :lol:

Definitely ended up looking like a good draft for the Cavs, personally I would take Drummond or MKG over Barnes but there isnt a huge difference 2-6 at this point, Irving/Lamb/Barnes would solve a lot of schooting and scoring issues

@dj - Nicholson slid down a few spots and makes so much sense for OKC, fits with the rest of that front court perfectly... he and Teague are ideal fits for their respective teams so late in the draft

Re: Finally, Av's Mock. 1-30, full exp, career projections/c

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:22 pm
by Mr Grant Hill
good read, can't wait for the draft.

Re: Finally, Av's Mock. 1-30, full exp, career projections/c

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:21 pm
by Avalanche
Thanks!

Few notes/movements that will need updating soon:

Sulinger moving down
Rivers is only working out for top 11 teams, no workout for the Suns.. could mean moving him up
MKG had a great workout with the Cavs, 4 & 5 may switch

Re: Finally, Av's Mock. 1-30, full exp, career projections/c

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:29 pm
by gswhoops
I very much doubt GS would draft another PG at 7, our front office seems pretty committed to Curry and have been obsessed with size and defense.

If all the top-6 are off the board and we don't move the pick, I'd say Sullinger, Henson and Leonard are all strong possibilities, or maybe a reach on someone like Moultrie, Harkless or T. Jones.

Re: Finally, Av's Mock. 1-30, full exp, career projections/c

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:39 pm
by Avalanche
I actually agree, I've just heard a lot about Lillards stock skyrocketing and being all but guarenteed going in the top 10, with the likelyhood of the pick being traded and a number of teams probably considering him the BPA I'd slot him in at 7

Yeh there was a couple of abstract reasons why he could fit on the team, and it is possible.. Say Curry plays 36 a night, Lillard could play 12 solid minutes at back up point with curry on the bench, and probably play together for 10 a night as well...

The other bigs in the draft seem like a reach at 7, Sullinger now dropping.. apparently

How likely do you think trading the 7 is?

Re: Finally, Av's Mock. 1-30, full exp, career projections/c

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:10 pm
by StojkoVrankovic
Wowzers, great job

Have to run out, but a few comments. Keep in mind just my opinion here.

The best case of Davis being KG drives me insane, don't think it is remotely possible. KG is a fantastic offensive player who has dominated both down low and on the perimeter.

Robinson at 2 makes sense, he can come in and contribute right now. I still think it is tough to not take Drummond at 2, Drummond/Bismack could be the best defensive tandem in the league for a decade. Or he could be a massive bust. Such a tough pick for the Bobcats

Beal at 3 to me is a huge reach, I think he is an inferior player to Lamb at just about everything except rebounding. Lets be honest, does anyone honestly see Beal averaging 7 boards a game in the NBA? Not a chance. However, based on the trade the Wiz just made it makes sense to take Beal. Do not agree with it but it makes sense for their team.

You put a lot of work in, so nice job

Re: Finally, Av's Mock. 1-30, full exp, career projections/c

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:15 pm
by redslastlaugh
Avalanche wrote:Realise thats a LOT of reading just for a thread/post... heres the short version:

1. Hornets: Davis
2. Bobcats: Robinson
3. Wizards: Beal
4. Cavs: Barnes
5. Kings: Kidd-Gilchrist
6. Blazers: Drummond
7. Warriors: Lillard
8. Raptors: Lamb
9. Pistons: Henson
10. Hornets: Sullinger
11. Blazers: Waiters
12. Bucks: P.Jones
13. Suns: Rivers
14. Rockets: Zeller
15. 76'ers: Ross
16. Rockets: Marshall
17. Mavs: T.Jones
18. Wolves: Leonard
19. Magic: Markless
20. Nuggets: White
21. Celtics: Q.Miller
22. Celtics: Moultrie
23. Hawks: Melo
24. Cavs: Lamb
25. Grizzlies: Taylor
26. Pacers: Wroten
27. Heat: Teague
28. Thunder: Nicholson
29. Bulls: Fournier
30. Warriors: Green


I think there is a consensus on top 6. Could play out just as you have it, especially after the wizards/hornets trade.

I think Detroit really likes the idea of Henson but when it comes time to choose they are going to find other options more appealing. I hope Henson goes 9 but I think he'll be around well into the teens. You can't be a paint force in the NBA at under 220, ask Yogi Stewart or JaJuan Johnson...

Sullinger... Impossible for me to speculate about the injury he may drop or may not at all. Hard to peg it and I think things will shake up if he starts sliding.

I dont see Perry Jones going before Leonard. If you decide youre gonna roll the dice, roll it with the 7-1 big not the 6-11 little... That'd be the conventional wisdom.

The 14-22 part of the draft seems really hard to read. I think a lot of those teams are considering trades. And ORL doesn't yet have a GM.

I like your call of Ross to Philly. Everyone says they need size but they have two bigs from last draft that they want to develop. They need someone who can get up and down and also hit the 3 ball. This really mucks things up for Minny.

If Jeremy Lamb, Rivers and Ross are off the board I think Minny trades the pick or reaches on a wing, either Doron Lamb or Taylor. Hell, maybe even Jenkins -- you never know with them...

I have no idea where Royce White belongs. Denver is a reasonable destination. 2nd round wouldn't surprise me either.

Lastly, I dont see a spot for Wroten in the first round. He's got talent but also a lot of holes on the court. Add in the question marks and I think he's a second round pick. I'd switch him for Teague. Heat take Barton.

Very reasonable mock overall with good rationale behind each selection. Things will definitely shake up a bit this week.

Re: Finally, Av's Mock. 1-30, full exp, career projections/c

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:42 pm
by Avalanche
Thanks a lot for the insight guys, good to get feed back whether it agrees or disagrees, everyones opinions on prospects are different

@stojko, like I said dont take too much stock into the comparisons, its more general than a real exact science, but I feel like Davis could reach the top tier of power forwards the game has seen, and of the top say, 5 KG would be the closest comparison.. unlikely that Davis has the go to offense that KG had in his prime, but his impact may get close

Drummond would be the guy I think I would take if I was the bobcats, they need to get a star and while Robinson will be a good pro you cant build around an Al Jefferson (again, not the same player just impact/career wise), this mock is what I think will happen, not what I'd do

Again, Beal has flown up mocks and GM's love him, Wizards trade today for Okafor/Ariza makes me even more sure beal is their guy

Re: Finally, Av's Mock. 1-30, full exp, career projections/c

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:46 pm
by Avalanche
@redslastlaugh, thanks for the comments

- I think Detroits love of Henson also has merit because of Monroe, they seem like a great fit together, if Monroe didnt have all star potential I think they would consider other options

- Leonard was the one guy that kind of slid down my board unintentionally, its not that I dont like him as a prospect I just saw teams targetting other, probably the one guy I wouldnt be surprised to be more than a pick or two off in predictions

- I agree with you on White, he was great in the NCAA but i think agaisnt NBA size and athletes he is going to struggle and will really become a specialist bench player more than anything, I woudlnt be taking him at the celtics picks or before

Will do a quick revamp of this a couple days out from the draft, see how close I get... I'll update and post my Celtics big board, which will be my opinions of prospects as well

cant wait for draft day!

Re: Finally, Av's Mock. 1-30, full exp, career projections/c

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 12:14 am
by StojkoVrankovic
Avalanche wrote:Thanks a lot for the insight guys, good to get feed back whether it agrees or disagrees, everyones opinions on prospects are different

@stojko, like I said dont take too much stock into the comparisons, its more general than a real exact science, but I feel like Davis could reach the top tier of power forwards the game has seen, and of the top say, 5 KG would be the closest comparison.. unlikely that Davis has the go to offense that KG had in his prime, but his impact may get close

Drummond would be the guy I think I would take if I was the bobcats, they need to get a star and while Robinson will be a good pro you cant build around an Al Jefferson (again, not the same player just impact/career wise), this mock is what I think will happen, not what I'd do

Again, Beal has flown up mocks and GM's love him, Wizards trade today for Okafor/Ariza makes me even more sure beal is their guy

NO issues man, I have read the KG comparison quite a bit. Davis is such a tough player to pin down. On one hand he is a beast, but on the other he just played on an all american team. Would he still have been a beast if an entire defense focused on him?

His entire offensive game revolved around putbacks and dunks. He hit some outside shots, but in reality they made up such a small % of his game. His help defense is amazing, but when going against someone with some beef he did not look as special. Really looking forward to see him on the next level.

Bobcats are in such a crap situation, they really need to hit it out of the park.

I get the Beal love, but being a UConn guy I think Lamb is a special talent and will be a much better pro than Beal at just about everything.

I noticed you had Meyers falling quite a bit. If that happens I expect Danny to package those picks and move up to take him. He would look fantastic oppostite Rondo and I expect him to be a much better player at the pro level than college.

If not, would love Royce White to fall to us, think he can ge a great 7-8th guy of the bench next year

Re: Finally, Av's Mock. 1-30, full exp, career projections/c

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 12:33 am
by Avalanche
I think Davis expanded his offense a bit towards the end of the season, and in high school he did have more offensive skills.. i think due to the team he was on he was able to jsut focus on the simple things and defense for the most part. I see him averaging high teens easily enough after a couple of years.

Yeh, as I said the Leonard fall was unintential im not really down on him or anything, just had a slide type situation occur, and I agree that if he is there at 16-20 that Ainge would definitely be looking to package and trade up

Re: Finally, Av's Mock. 1-30, full exp, career projections/c

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:01 am
by gswhoops
Avalanche wrote:I actually agree, I've just heard a lot about Lillards stock skyrocketing and being all but guarenteed going in the top 10, with the likelyhood of the pick being traded and a number of teams probably considering him the BPA I'd slot him in at 7

Yeh there was a couple of abstract reasons why he could fit on the team, and it is possible.. Say Curry plays 36 a night, Lillard could play 12 solid minutes at back up point with curry on the bench, and probably play together for 10 a night as well...

The other bigs in the draft seem like a reach at 7, Sullinger now dropping.. apparently

How likely do you think trading the 7 is?

I think the Warriors definitely could find a place for Lillard, but we have much bigger needs to fill with that pick. I think we'd be more likely to reach on a guy we think will fill a need (like we saw with Udoh two years ago) then take a redundant guy who's more talented.

I think the odds of us dealing the pick are pretty good if we get a good offer.

Re: Finally, Av's Mock. 1-30, full exp, career projections/c

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:06 am
by Avalanche
Any word on bigs the Warriors are working out?

Jones, Henson, Leonard etc?

Re: Finally, Av's Mock. 1-30, full exp, career projections/c

Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:12 pm
by Avalanche
UPDATED 24/06

1 Hornets - Davis
2 Bobcats - Robinson - Likely to take Barnes at 2, then trade with the Cavs for 4/24
3 Wizards - Beal
4 Cavs - Barnes - After trading up with Charlotte
5 Kings - MKG
6 Blazers - Drummond
7 Warriors - Lillard - Likely to be traded, possibly to Chicago/Deng
8 Raptors - Lamb
9 Pistons - Henson
10 Hornets - Zeller - Pick now up in the air with Sullingers back, lack of a centre would hurt Davis
11 Blazers - Waiters
12 Bucks - P.Jones
13 Suns - Rivers
14 Rockets - Marshall
15 76'ers - Ross
16 Rockets - T.Jones
17 Mavs - Leonard
18 Wolves - Harkless
19 Magic - Sullinger
20 Nuggets - Moultrie
21 Celtics - White
22 Celtics - Q.Miller
23 Hawks - Melo
24 Cavs - D.Lamb
25 Grizzlies - Taylor
26 Pacers - Wroten
27 Heat - Teague
28 Thunder - Nicholson
29 Bulls - Fournier
30 Warriors - Green

See first page for prospect thought/projections

will do one more before draft day

Re: Finally, Av's Mock. 1-30, full exp, career projections/c

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:08 am
by ItBeBrianYo
Would not mind the Celtics taking Miller and Royce at ALL :)

I really hope Arnett Moultrie can fall to us somehow though :/