MR's 2013 Big Board

[ManualRam]

01. Shabazz Muhammad
02. Steven Adams
03. Tony Mitchell
04. Cody Zeller
05. Nerlens Noel
06. Alex Poythress
07. Adonis Thomas
08. Rudy Gobert
09. Otto Porter
10. Archie Goodwin
11. James McAdoo
12. Dario Saric
13. Trey Burke
14. Kyle Anderson
15. Ben McLemore
16. Alex Abrines
17. Myck Kabongo
18. Anthony Bennett
19. Lorenzo Brown
20. Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
21. Danuel House
22. Ryan Harrow
23. Ricky Ledo
24. CJ McCollum
25. Trevor Mbakwe
26. Wayne Blackshear
27. CJ Fair
28. Flip Pressey
29. Jeff Withey
30. Deshaun Thomas

[TDJacksonville]

might want to knock Saric down a bit with that Contract hes rumored to be signing .

[ManualRam]

might want to knock Saric down a bit with that Contract hes rumored to be signing .

that's true, but where i'd slot him would depend on his buy out and how eager he is to come to the NBA.

[TDJacksonville]

might want to knock Saric down a bit with that Contract hes rumored to be signing .

that's true, but where i'd slot him would depend on his buy out and how eager he is to come to the NBA.

id expect him to stay over there for atleast 2 years. i mean if he really wanted to go to the nba he would have taken a 1 year deal or take a deal with a No Buy Out NBA Jump in his contract

[teamjosh04]

looks good.

id have Zeller over Adams for sure.

I like Burke as well, but thats a little too high. Kabongo should be ahead of him

I like DeShaun Thomas in the top 30. hes too good to dismiss. scouts considered terrence jones a lotto guy and derrick williams the #2 pick yet put Thomas in as a second rounder. doesnt make sense to me

not sold on McCollum yet either. Glad you dont have Caldwell-Pope in the lottery. his hype is getting ridiculous. hes a shooter that shows some willingness to defend and rebound. still a long way to go. Bullock does the same thing yet isnt talked about

i like porter in the top ten as well

[ManualRam]

looks good.

id have Zeller over Adams for sure.

I like Burke as well, but thats a little too high. Kabongo should be ahead of him

I like DeShaun Thomas in the top 30. hes too good to dismiss. scouts considered terrence jones a lotto guy and derrick williams the #2 pick yet put Thomas in as a second rounder. doesnt make sense to me

not sold on McCollum yet either. Glad you dont have Caldwell-Pope in the lottery. his hype is getting ridiculous. hes a shooter that shows some willingness to defend and rebound. still a long way to go. Bullock does the same thing yet isnt talked about

i like porter in the top ten as well

i cant get over zeller's t-rex arms. i think they'll limit his potential as a defender, rebounder and could impact his ability to score on the interior.

adams' potential is immense. he's green but i really like his combination of approach, size, athleticism and the fact that he's a quick study. for a kid with as little experience as he has, he has a surprisingly good feel for the game. zeller's better and will able to contribute sooner, but again, i think adams has the higher potential.

i think kabongo will have to make some major strides as a scorer and shooter in order surpass burke as a PG. burke to me looks to be the most ready to run an NBA offense because of his advanced PnR ability and the kid just has super intangibles. he's intelligent, versatile, fearless and extremely competitive. kabongo has some of those similar characteristics, but he's not as skilled as burke. i liked kabongo more than teague, but i was disappointed in the way he disappeared in games and how he got taken out of games by physical defense.

yeah, i almost didnt put caldwell-pope in my top 30 at all. he's got great physical tools, but he's not in a situation to progress surrounded by poor talent at georgia. he was billed as a shooter but put up poor percentages primarily because he takes a ton of dumb shots. he's a streaky shooter without much of a floor game or slashing game, which makes him, what? i dont even know.

[teamjosh04]

i agree with Adams having the better potential. right now, I just trust Zeller a lot more. in no way is that set in stone though, as Zeller does have limitations that I think will prevent him from ever being a star. Sounds like Adams is playing well now at the Adidas Nations. Im mostly worried about Adams being soft mentally and physically. Some of it is maturity, but Kiwis arent know for being very aggressive. i dont expect a great season at PItt, but if he shows toughness, a good motor, and a hard outer shell thats all i really need to see for now

kabongo is the better athlete, passer, better size, etc he was in a bad situation last yr. burke might be the most skilled PG next to Flip Pressey, but I think Kabongo shows enough improvement this yr to get him back into the lottery discussion. i hate rick barnes so i choose to put a lot of the blame on him. im a big burke fan though, just wrote a lengthy report on him

[TayP]

This is my projected top 6 with my projected team order

1. Bobcats-Shabazz Muhammad
2. Sacramento Kings- Nerlens Noel(for a trade down)
3. Houston Rockets- Cody Zeller
4. Orlando Magic- Steven Adams
5. New Orleans- James Michael- Macadoo
6. Cleveland- Alex Poythress

Bobcats would pick Shabazz because he will probably be the best player in college and has a good motor.
Kings pick Noel to use him to move down and get a small forward and back up center and rid of Salmons or Outkaw.
Rockets pick Zeller because the other centers have horrible offensive games and they have a horrible offensive center on their roster for 8 million.
Magic pick Adams because he has a lot of potential and they will most likely need a center.
Hornets pick Macadoo because they like combo players and playing them out of their natural position.
Cavs pick Poythress because they need a sf.

[Cammo101]

I'd be very happy with any of those top 4 for the Magic.

[Jimmy76]

Good pick on Danuel House looks to be a very under the radar player. Not an Aaron Craft fan?

[ManualRam]

Good pick on Danuel House looks to be a very under the radar player. Not an Aaron Craft fan?

i do like craft, but i have question marks about how his greatest attribute will translate. will he be able to play his physical style of perimeter defense in the NBA?
also, i think he needs to show more offensively. right now he's just an ok shooter by college standards. will he be able to run PnR without the threat of a pull up? he's fast and strong, but does he have enough wiggle to get to the rim? does he have the verticality to finish? will he ever develop a decent left hand?
right now he projects to be more of a earl watson type. im not sure if thats worth a 1st rounder. if he shows more offensively i could see him going in the 20s though.

[TDJacksonville]

I'd be very happy with any of those top 4 for the Magic.

only 2 there id want would be adams and Bazz.

Zeller seems like a good player but i dont think we take him because we have a glut at PF so maybe a trade there.

as for the pick he gave us its almost perfect as we get the center whos well built to play Center in the NBA and has the most potential.

[ManualRam]

01. Shabazz Muhammad
02. Steven Adams
03. Cody Zeller
04. Tony Mitchell
05. Nerlens Noel
06. Alex Poythress
07. Otto Porter
08. Ben McLemore
09. James McAdoo
10. Archie Goodwin
11. Alex Len
12. Marcus Smart
13. Adonis Thomas
14. Rudy Gobert
15. Trey Burke
16. Jarnell Stokes
17. Gorgui Dieng
18. Myck Kabongo
19. Anthony Bennett
20. Dario Saric
21. CJ McCollum
22. Isaiah Austin
23. LeBryan Nash
24. Lorenzo Brown
25. Jeff Withey
26. Mason Plumlee
27. DeShaun Thomas
28. Reggie Bullock
29. Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
30. BJ Young


31. Patric Young
32. Phil Pressey
33. CJ Fair
34. Sean Kilpatrick
35. Isaiah Canaan
36. Nate Wolters
37. Ray McCallum
38. Victor Oladipo
39. Robert Covington
40. CJ Leslie
41. CJ Wilcox
42. Sergey Karasev
43. Will Clyburn
44. Trevor Mbakwe
45. Andre Roberson
46. Jamaal Franklin
47. Pierre Jackson
48. Alec Brown
49. Elijah Johnson
50. Rodney Williams
51. Solomon Hill
52. Michael Snaer
53. Alex Oriakhi
54. Nemanja Nedovic
55. Augusto Lima
56. Jackie Carmichael
57. Oleksandr Lypovyy
58. Kevin Dillard
59. Drew Crawford
60. Dmitry Kulagin

[They_Them_Hatin]

Who is the best shooting Sf in this draft?

[ManualRam]

tough question. maybe deshaun thomas or reggie bullock if you consider them SFs. deshaun's more of a volume shooter and scorer than a pure shooter though. reggie, while being a really good shooter, could be better used at the SG position. some of the other higher ranked SFs have good shooting strokes, but i wouldn't consider them good shooters yet. guys like alex poythress, otto porter and adonis thomas CAN hit from college 3. otto's probably the best shooter of the 3 currently, but i think adonis thomas has the best stroke of the 3.

a couple of 2nd round sleeper shooters at the 3 for me are robert covington and cj fair. both could eventually be late first rounders by the end of the year. covington isnt off to a great start, but he's been a knock down shooter the past couple of years, albeit at a smaller school. cj fair has such a pretty lefty stroke. he's just now expanding his range but i could easily see him becoming a good 3 pt shooter. combine his size, athleticism, defensive potential, shooting stroke and smooth overall game, i think he's an underrated NBA prospect.

[teamjosh04]

i like the covington and oladipo love.

roberson is way too low even though he hasnt looked good so far. ignore him playing SF, he can do a lot of things at the PF position.

not a mike moser fan? and what do you like so much about Stokes to put him that high? I like him, but hes still a undersized 4 type (although his size is adequate)

[ManualRam]

i like the covington and oladipo love.

roberson is way too low even though he hasnt looked good so far. ignore him playing SF, he can do a lot of things at the PF position.

not a mike moser fan? and what do you like so much about Stokes to put him that high? I like him, but hes still a undersized 4 type (although his size is adequate)

roberson to me is is like a dominic mcguire type player. 8th-9th player if he makes a rotation. he's a great rebounder, energy player with very good athleticism, but i just can't get over his lack of progression in skills over the years.

im not that high on moser either. to me he's an undersized 4 as well, but he doesn't have the athleticism that roberson has to make up for his lack of size, nor does he have the bulk i also think his transition to the 3 won't go smoothly at all. he just doesn't have the quickness, ball-handling ability or jumpshot. i think his mind is set on becoming a 3 and to me that hurts his stock more than it helps. i think he was on track to maximize his value as a hustling undersized 4 with a nose for the ball, kinda like a jerome williams or someone of that ilk.

stokes might be slightly under-height, but he is a huge space eater. his natural physical strength is phenomenal. he holds his position and creates space with ease. what i really like about him is his feel for the game at such a young age. he might not be as advanced as jared sullinger in terms of moves and counters, but he does have really good footwork, nimble feet for a guy with his bulk and terrific use of fakes. he's got great touch around the basket and really knows how to use his body to create space. i think he's also an excellent passer as well, knowing when not to force the issue. he might not have the shooting touch from mid-range and deeper that sullinger has, but i think he has better physical tools and a similar mentality. for being so young, he has a very mature game. i think he'd make a solid 3rd big.

[princeofpalace]

Steven Adams is certainly not the 2nd best NBA prospect in the draft. Every time I have seen him play he looks lost. He looks years away.

[ManualRam]

Steven Adams is certainly not the 2nd best NBA prospect in the draft. Every time I have seen him play he looks lost. He looks years away.

he was always yrs away, but that doesn't take away from the fact that he has the best physical tools among big men in this draft should he enter. i haven't updated my big board. i've backed off him being #2, but i'd still take him really high. he had a lull after a pretty good start but looked better after the duquesne game. he just has to not worry about fouls (which is tough because dixon auto substitutes according to fouls. like if he gets a foul within 3 minutes into the game he comes out) and stay active.
he's still playing really good defense, blocking shots, has a near 25 PER in ~20 minutes a game, 12.6 WS/40 despite only getting less than 6 possessions a game. he's doing SOMETHING right.

[princeofpalace]

Steven Adams is certainly not the 2nd best NBA prospect in the draft. Every time I have seen him play he looks lost. He looks years away.

he was always yrs away, but that doesn't take away from the fact that he has the best physical tools among big men in this draft should he enter. i haven't updated my big board. i've backed off him being #2, but i'd still take him really high. he had a lull after a pretty good start but looked better after the duquesne game. he just has to not worry about fouls (which is tough because dixon auto substitutes according to fouls. like if he gets a foul within 3 minutes into the game he comes out) and stay active.
he's still playing really good defense, blocking shots, has a near 25 PER in ~20 minutes a game, 12.6 WS/40 despite only getting less than 6 possessions a game. he's doing SOMETHING right.

But this is only because the bigs in this draft are all either skinny or short.

He looks like a fish out of water on both offense and defense and his rebounding isnt great for a center. So I think hes a 2014 or 2015 guy.

How do you feel about Ben Mclemore vs. Archie Goodwin>?