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[LloydFree]

2014 Draft board (My thoughts as of 11/23/13)

1. Andrew Wiggins, 6'8 SF Kansas
2. Jabari Parker, 6'9 SF Duke
3. Joel Embiid, 7'0 C Kansas
4. Julius Randle, 6'9 PF Kentucky
5. Marcus Smart, 6'4 PG/SG OK St
6. James Young, 6'7 SG Kentucky
7. Dante Exum, 6'6 PG/SG Australia
8. Noah Vonleh, 6'8 PF Indiana
9. Wayne Selden, 6'5 SG Kansas
10. Aaron Gordon, 6'8 SF Arizona
11. Semaj Christon, 6'3 PG Xavier
12. Adreian Payne, 6'10 Mich St
13. Rodney Hood, 6'8 SF Duke
14. Isaiah Austin, 7'1 C Baylor
15. Andrew Harrison, 6'5 PG Kentucky
16. Gary Harris, 6'4 SG Mich St
17. Montrezl Harrell, 6'8 PF Louisville
18. Chris Walker, 6'10 PF Florida
19. Glenn Robinson, 6'6 SF Michigan
20. Dario Saric, 6'10 PF Croatia
21. Aaron Harrison, 6'5 SG Kentucky
22. Doug McDermott, 6'8 SF Creighton
23. Mario Hezonja, 6'7 SG Croatia
24. Mitch MCGary, 6'10 C Michigan
25. Willie Cauley-Stein, 7'0 C Kentucky

[LloydFree]

2014 Draft board (My thoughts as of 12/26/13

Tier 1: Franchise players

1. Joel Embiid, 7'0 C Kansas
2. Andrew Wiggins, 6'8 SF Kansas
3. Jabari Parker, 6'9 SF Duke

Tier 2: All star talent

4. Marcus Smart, 6'4 SG OK St
5. Zach Lavine, 6'6 SG UCLA
6. Dante Exum, 6'6 PG/SG Australia
7. James Young, 6'7 SG Kentucky

Tier 3: Solid NBA starters

8. Noah Vonleh, 6'8 PF Indiana
9. Aaron Gordon, 6'8 SF Arizona
10.Julius Randle, 6'9 PF Kentucky
11.Montrezl Harrell, 6'8 PF Loisville
12.Rodney Hood, 6'8 SG/SF Duke
13.Semaj Christon, 6'3 PG Xavier
14.Jerami Grant, 6'8 SF Syracuse

Tier 4: unfinished NBA athletes w/ability to jump into the top 10

15. Chris Walker, 6'10 PF Florida
16. Wayne Seldon, 6'5 SG Kansas
17. Isaiah Austin, 7'1 C Baylor
18. Willie Cauley-Stein, 7'0 C Kentucky
19. Andrew Harrison, 6'5 PG Kentucky

Tier 5: Skilled NBA bench players

20. Adreian Payne, 6'10 PF Mich St
21. Gary Harris 6'4 SG Michigan State
22. Jahi Carson 5'11 PG Arizona State
23. Doug McDermott, 6'8 SF Creigton

[LloydFree]

2014 Draft board (My thoughts as of 12/29/13

Tier 1: Franchise players

1. Joel Embiid, 7'0 C Kansas

Tier 2: All star talent

2. Andrew Wiggins, 6'8 SF Kansas
3. Jabari Parker, 6'9 SF Duke
4. Marcus Smart, 6'4 SG OK St
5. Noah Vonleh, 6'9 PF Indiana
6. James Young, 6'7 SG Kentucky

Tier 3: Solid NBA starters

7. Zach Lavine, 6'6 SG UCLA
8. Dante Exum, 6'6 PG/SG Australia
9. Aaron Gordon, 6'8 SF Arizona
10.Julius Randle, 6'9 PF Kentucky
11.Jerami Grant, 6'8 SF Syracuse
12.Rodney Hood, 6'8 SG/SF Duke
13.Montrezl Harrell, 6'8 PF Loisville
14.Adreian Payne, 6'10 PF Mich St

Tier 4: unfinished NBA athletes w/ability to jump into the top 10

15. Chris Walker, 6'10 PF Florida
16. Semaj Christon, 6'3 PG Xavier
17. Andrew Harrison, 6'5 PG Kentucky
18. Isaiah Austin, 7'1 C Baylor
19. Willie Cauley-Stein, 7'0 C Kentucky
20. Wayne Seldon, 6'5 SG Kansas

Tier 5: Skilled NBA bench players

21. Glen Robinson 6'6 SF Michigan
22. Gary Harris 6'4 SG Michigan State
23. Doug McDermott, 6'8 SF Creigton
24. Jordan Clarkson, 6'5 SG Missouri
25. Kyle Anderson 6'9 SF UCLA
26. Dario Saric, 6'10 PF Croatia
27. Jahi Carson 5'11 PG Arizona State
28. Spencer Dinwiddle 6'2 PG Colorado
29. Markel Brown, 6'3 SG OK St
30. Sam Dekker, SF Wisconsin

[LloydFree]

2014 Draft board (My thoughts as of 1/3/14

Tier 1: Franchise players

1. Joel Embiid, 7'0 C Kansas (Jermaine O'Neil-Dikembe Mtoumbo Hybrid)

Tier 2: All star talent

2. Andrew Wiggins, 6'8 SF Kansas (Paul George)
3. Jabari Parker, 6'9 SF Duke (Glen "Big Dog" Robinson w passing skills)
4. Marcus Smart, 6'4 SG OK St (Chauncey Billups-Eric Gordon Hybrid)
5. Noah Vonleh, 6'9 PF Indiana (Jamaal Mashburn)
6. James Young, 6'7 SG Kentucky (More athletic Richard Hamilton)

Tier 3: Solid NBA starters

7. Dante Exum, 6'6 PG/SG Australia
8. Zach LaVine, 6'5 SG UCLA
9. Julius Randle, 6'9 PF Kentucky
10.Jerami Grant, 6'8 SF Syracuse
11.Aaron Gordon, 6'8 SF Arizona
12.Rodney Hood, 6'8 SG/SF Duke

Tier 4: unfinished NBA athletes w/ability to jump into the top 10

13. Montrezl Harrell, 6'8 PF Loisville
14. Chris Walker, 6'10 PF Florida
15. Semaj Christon, 6'3 PG Xavier
16. Andrew Harrison, 6'5 PG Kentucky
17. Isaiah Austin, 7'1 C Baylor
18. Willie Cauley-Stein, 7'0 C Kentucky
19. Wayne Seldon, 6'5 SG Kansas

Tier 5: Skilled NBA bench players

20. Adrien Payne, 6'10 PF Michigan St
21. Glen Robinson 6'6 SF Michigan
22. Gary Harris 6'4 SG Michigan State
23. Doug McDermott, 6'8 SF Creigton
24. Jordan Clarkson, 6'5 SG Missouri
25. Kyle Anderson 6'9 SF UCLA
26. Dario Saric, 6'10 PF Croatia
27. Jahi Carson 5'11 PG Arizona State
28. Spencer Dinwiddle 6'2 PG Colorado
29. Markel Brown, 6'3 SG OK St
30. Sam Dekker, SF Wisconsin

[No-Man]

I don't agree at all with you board and you are really off in some players (rating Young and Vonleh over Exum and Randle is laughable, really, don't disrespect just reality).

Mine will look like, (going by ceiling)

Tier 1: Franchise players

1. Jabari Parker
2. Dante Exum
3. Andrew Wiggins
4. Julius Randle

Tier 2: All star talent

5. Joel Embiid
6. Marcus Smart
7. Zach LaVine
8. James Young

Tier 3: Solid NBA starters

9. Gary Harris
10. Jordan Adams
11. Rodney Hood
12. Aaron Gordon
13. Willie Cauley-Stein
14. Jahii Carson
15. Andrew Harrison
16. Adreian Payne
17. Brandon Ashley

Tier 4: unfinished NBA athletes w/ability to jump into the top 10

18. Glenn Robinson III
19. Elfrid Payton
20. Mitch McGary
21. Vasilije Micic

Tier 5: Skilled NBA bench players

22. Doug McDermott
23. TJ Warren
24. Kyle Anderson
25. Dario Saric
26. Jordan Clarkson
27. Montrezl Harrell
28. Jusuf Nurkic
29. Markel Brown
30. Perry Ellis
31. Nick Johnson
32. Delon Wright
33. Shabazz Napier
34. PJ Hairston
35. Khem Birch
36. Jordan Bachynski
37. Bogdan Bogdanovic
38. CJ Fair
39. Cory Jefferson
40. CJ Wilcox
41. Tarik Black
42. Russ Smith
43. Jabari Brown
44. Patric Young

NBA athletes with not NBA game

45. Semaj Christon
46. LeBryan Nash
47. Dez Wells
48. Thanasis Antetokoumpo
49. LaQuinton Ross
50. James McAdoo

I don't have Vonleh, Grant, Selden, Dekker, Austin or Walker in the 2014 draft (and I don't think is realistic to have them either).

[LloydFree]

^^^ I haven't seen enough from Dante Exam to say he is a future All-star. He has a quick step and is fast with the ball. I can see that. But I've seen a lot of players that were fast with the ball, that weren't All stars. ( Felipe Lopez, Devin Harris and even Kenny Smith, for example). If he looked like he had PG instincts at his size, I'd get it. But im not sure I'm convinced he is a PG at the next level.

To project Julius Randle as a Franchise player, at this point, is "Laughable". He does not have one standout skill or tool that will make him an NBA All-star, let alone a Franchise player. Randle's skill is his ability to rebound and Noah Vonleh is better than Randle at that. Vonleh is almost 1 year younger than Randle has a length advantage and plays much better defense. At this point, if they both continued to play at the same level, I wouldn't think twice about selecting Vonleh over Randle.

As far as your tiers are concerned, past your Franchise players, It's just a matter of preference. You seem to minimize the importance of 'size to projected position' and prefer present skills to NBA athleticism. I won't argue that.

[No-Man]

Randle is a freak, his strength at his age is unparalel, and he has a knack for the basket, he needs to improve some things, but you also have to consider the way Cal use him at UK, he showed more in High School, he can hit shots from the perimeter.

Vonleh is a taller Tristan Thompson, I don't think he will be anything more than a fenergy guy at the next level and he probably will stay one more year at IU, they have a nice team to compete with one more year of experience and this draft is loaded with forwards.

They are not playing at the same level, Randle is another kind of animal.

Exum is not a PG, but he does not need to be one, he has elite size for the SG position, and quickness plus the ability to go inside at will, he's 18 and has the highest ceiling of the Draft.

I don't minimize size, but I consider other factors, I mean, you like Austin size, but what else? his strength level is ridiculous, he won't be able to play in the league, have you seen his legs? then you got Christon, who will be 22 by the draft and is a terrible basketball player, or Walker that is the next star in China league.

Also Selden hype is something I never understand, he is just a guy, he is not better than Qualls for example, but everybody talks about him like a top10 pick.

[LloydFree]

Randle is a freak, his strength at his age is unparalel, and he has a knack for the basket, he needs to improve some things, but you also have to consider the way Cal use him at UK, he showed more in High School, he can hit shots from the perimeter.

Vonleh is a taller Tristan Thompson, I don't think he will be anything more than a fenergy guy at the next level and he probably will stay one more year at IU, they have a nice team to compete with one more year of experience and this draft is loaded with forwards.

They are not playing at the same level, Randle is another kind of animal.

Exum is not a PG, but he does not need to be one, he has elite size for the SG position, and quickness plus the ability to go inside at will, he's 18 and has the highest ceiling of the Draft.

I don't minimize size, but I consider other factors, I mean, you like Austin size, but what else? his strength level is ridiculous, he won't be able to play in the league, have you seen his legs? then you got Christon, who will be 22 by the draft and is a terrible basketball player, or Walker that is the next star in China league.

Also Selden hype is something I never understand, he is just a guy, he is not better than Qualls for example, but everybody talks about him like a top10 pick.

We'll just have to disagree on Julius Randle. I've followed the draft for years(decades). I know what a freak basketball athlete looks like. Julius Randle is no "freak" athlete. He is a quick leaper and fast straight line runner. That's it. He isn't exceptional laterally, he doesn't have a freakish vertical. He lacks the length to be be an elite PF. I don't worry about his strength advantage at this age. The rest of the guys will catch up with him by the time they get to the NBA. Unless he suddenly starts showing Kevin Love like 'skill', he will be an average to slightly above average power forward in the NBA. He does not have the 'tools' to be elite.

[LloydFree]

2014 Draft board (My thoughts as of 1/3/14

Tier 1: Franchise players

1. Joel Embiid, 7'0 C Kansas (Jermaine O'Neil-Dikembe Mtoumbo Hybrid)
2. Andrew Wiggins, 6'8 SF Kansas (Paul George)

Tier 2: All star talent

3. Jabari Parker, 6'9 SF Duke (Glen "Big Dog" Robinson w passing skills)
4. Marcus Smart, 6'4 SG OK St (Chauncey Billups-Eric Gordon Hybrid)
5. Noah Vonleh, 6'9 PF Indiana (Jamaal Mashburn)
6. James Young, 6'7 SG Kentucky (More athletic Richard Hamilton)

Tier 3: Solid NBA starters

7. Dante Exum, 6'6 PG/SG Australia
8. Zach LaVine, 6'5 SG UCLA
9. Julius Randle, 6'9 PF Kentucky
10.Jerami Grant, 6'8 SF Syracuse
11.Aaron Gordon, 6'8 SF Arizona
12.Rodney Hood, 6'8 SG/SF Duke

Tier 4: unfinished NBA athletes w/ability to jump into the top 10

13. Montrezl Harrell, 6'8 PF Loisville
14. Chris Walker, 6'10 PF Florida
15. Semaj Christon, 6'3 PG Xavier
16. Andrew Harrison, 6'5 PG Kentucky
17. Isaiah Austin, 7'1 C Baylor
18. Mario Hezonja, 6'8 SF Croatia
19. Willie Cauley-Stein, 7'0 C Kentucky
20. Wayne Seldon, 6'5 SG Kansas

Tier 5: Skilled NBA bench players

21. Gary Harris, 6'4 SG Michigan St
22. Tyler Ennis, 6'2 PG Syracuse
23. Adrien Payne, 6'10 PF Michigan St
24. Glen Robinson 6'6 SF Michigan
25. Doug McDermott, 6'8 SF Creigton
26. Aaron Harrison, 6'5 SG Kentucky
27. Kyle Anderson 6'9 SF UCLA
28. Dario Saric, 6'10 PF Croatia
29. Jahi Carson 5'11 PG Arizona State
30. Markel Brown, 6'3 SG OK St

[LloydFree]

2014 Draft board (My thoughts as of 1/10/14

Tier 1: Franchise players

1. Joel Embiid, 7'0 C Kansas (Jermaine O'Neil-Dikembe Mtoumbo Hybrid)

Tier 2: All star talent

2. Andrew Wiggins, 6'8 SF Kansas (Paul George)
3. Jabari Parker, 6'9 SF Duke (Glen "Big Dog" Robinson w passing skills)
4. Marcus Smart, 6'4 SG OK St (Chauncey Billups-Eric Gordon Hybrid)
5. Dante Exum, 6'6 PG/SG Australia
6. Noah Vonleh, 6'9 PF Indiana (Jamaal Mashburn-David West Hybrid)

Tier 3: Solid NBA starters

7. James Young, 6'7 SG Kentucky (more athletic Richard Hamilton)
8. Julius Randle, 6'9 PF Kentucky (left handed, Larry Jonson w less awareness)
9. Zach LaVine, 6'5 SG UCLA (JR Smith)
10.Jerami Grant, 6'8 SF Syracuse (Gerald Wallace w a 3pt shot)
11.Aaron Gordon, 6'8 SF Arizona (Shawn Marion lite)
12.Rodney Hood, 6'8 SG/SF Duke

Tier 4: unfinished NBA athletes w/ability to jump into the top 10 (or bust big time)

13. Montrezl Harrell, 6'8 PF Loisville (Ben Wallace lite)
14. Chris Walker, 6'10 PF Florida (Amare Stoudemire lite)
15. Semaj Christon, 6'3 PG Xavier (John Wall lite)
16. Andrew Harrison, 6'5 PG Kentucky (Jalen Rose lite)
17. Isaiah Austin, 7'1 C Baylor (Spencer Hawes)
18. Mario Hezonja, 6'8 SF Croatia
19. Willie Cauley-Stein, 7'0 C Kentucky

Tier 5: Skilled NBA bench players

20. Adrien Payne, 6'10 PF Michigan St
21. Gary Harris, 6'4 SG Michigan St
22. Tyler Ennis, 6'2 PG Syracuse
23. Glen Robinson 6'6 SF Michigan
24. Doug McDermott, 6'8 SF Creigton
25. Aaron Harrison, 6'5 SG Kentucky
26. Kyle Anderson 6'9 SF UCLA
27. Dario Saric, 6'10 PF Croatia
28. Jahi Carson 5'11 PG Arizona State
29. Markel Brown, 6'3 SG OK St
30. Thanasis Antetokounmpo, 6'7 SF Greece

[LloydFree]

2014 Draft board (as of 2/1/14

Tier 1: Franchise players

1. Joel Embiid, 7'0 C Kansas (Jermaine O'Neil-Dikembe Mtoumbo Hybrid).
2. Andrew Wiggins, 6'8 SF Kansas (Paul George)

Tier 2: All star talent

3. Jabari Parker, 6'9 SF Duke (Glen "Big Dog" Robinson w passing skills)
4. Noah Vonleh, 6'9 PF Indiana (Jamaal Mashburn-Chris Bosh Hybrid)
5. Marcus Smart, 6'4 SG OK St (Chauncey Billups-Lance Stevenson Hybrid)
6. Dante Exum, 6'6 PG/SG Australia

Tier 3: Solid NBA starters

7. James Young, 6'7 SG Kentucky (more athletic Richard Hamilton)
8. Julius Randle, 6'9 PF Kentucky (left handed, Paul Millsap)
9. Zach LaVine, 6'5 SG UCLA (JR Smith)
10.Jerami Grant, 6'8 SF Syracuse (Gerald Wallace w/better shooting potential)
11.Aaron Gordon, 6'8 SF Arizona (Shawn Marion lite)
12.Rodney Hood, 6'8 SG/SF Duke
13.Adrien Payne, 6'10 PF Michigan St (David West)
14.Tyler Ennis, 6'2 PG Syracuse (Mike Bibby)

Tier 4: unfinished NBA athletes and skilled NBA backups

15. Chris Walker, 6'10 PF Florida (Amare Stoudemire lite)
16. Montrezl Harrell, 6'8 PF Loisville (Ben Wallace lite)
17. Gary Harris, 6'4 SG Michigan St (Delonte West)
18. Kyle Anderson 6'8 SF UCLA (Jalen Rose lite)
19. Dario Saric, 6'9 PF, Croatia
20. Isaiah Austin, 7'1 C Baylor (Spencer Hawes)
21. Jordan Crawford, 6'5 PG Missouri
22. PJ Hairston, 6'5 SG UNC
23. Nick Stauskas, 6'6 SG Michigan (Jon Barry)
24. Doug McDermott, 6'8 SF Creigton (Mike Miller at half speed)
25. Glen Robinson 6'6 SF Michigan
26. Semaj Christian, 6'3 PG Xavier (John Wall lite)
27. Willie Caulie-Stein, 7'0 C Kentucky
28. Jahi Carson 5'11 PG Arizona State
29. Markel Brown, 6'3 SG OK St
30. Thanasis Antetokumpo, 6'7 SF Greece

[LloydFree]

2014 Draft board (as of 2/9/14

Tier 1: Franchise players

1. Joel Embiid, 7'0 C Kansas (Jermaine O'Neil-Dikembe Mtoumbo Hybrid)

Tier 2: All star talent

2. Andrew Wiggins, 6'8 SF Kansas (Paul George)
3. Jabari Parker, 6'9 SF Duke (Glen "Big Dog" Robinson w passing skills)
4. Noah Vonleh, 6'9 PF Indiana (Jamaal Mashburn-Chris Bosh Hybrid)
5. Dante Exum, 6'6 PG/SG Australia

Tier 3: Solid NBA starters

6. Marcus Smart, 6'4 SG OK St (Chauncey Billups-Lance Stevenson Hybrid)
7. James Young, 6'7 SG Kentucky (more athletic Richard Hamilton/Kevin Martin)
8. Tyler Ennis, 6'2 PG Syracuse (Mike Bibby)
9. Zach LaVine, 6'5 SG UCLA (JR Smith)
10.Chris Walker, 6'10 PF Florida (Amare Stoudemire lite)
11.Jerami Grant, 6'8 SF Syracuse (Gerald Wallace w/better shooting potential)
12.Kyle Anderson 6'8 SF UCLA (Tayshaun Prince/Jalen Rose Hybrid)
13.Adrien Payne, 6'10 PF Michigan St (David West)
14.Julius Randle, 6'9 PF Kentucky (quicker Tyler Hansbro)
15.Aaron Gordon, 6'8 SF Arizona (Shawn Marion lite)

Tier 4: unfinished NBA athletes and skilled NBA backups

16. Montrezl Harrell, 6'8 PF Loisville (Ben Wallace lite)
17. Rodney Hood, 6'8 SG/SF Duke
18. Jordan Crawford, 6'5 PG Missouri
19. Gary Harris, 6'4 SG Michigan St (Delonte West)
20. Nick Stauskas, 6'6 SG Michigan (Jon Barry)
21. PJ Hairston, 6'5 SG UNC
22. Isaiah Austin, 7'1 C Baylor (Spencer Hawes)
23. Dario Saric, 6'9 PF, Croatia
24. Doug McDermott, 6'8 SF Creigton (Mike Miller at half speed)
25. Markel Brown, 6'3 SG OK St
26. Semaj Christian, 6'3 PG Xavier (John Wall lite)
27. Willie Caulie-Stein, 7'0 C Kentucky
28. Jahi Carson 5'11 PG Arizona State
29. Glen Robinson 6'6 SF Michigan
30. Thanasis Antetokounmpo, 6'7 SF Greece

[LloydFree]

2014 Draft board (as of 3/16/14

Tier 1: Franchise players

1. Andrew Wiggins, 6'8 SF Kansas (Paul George)
2. Joel Embiid, 7'0 C Kansas (Jermaine O'Neil-Dikembe Mtoumbo Hybrid)

Tier 2: All star talent

3. Jabari Parker, 6'9 PF Duke (Derrick Coleman w/better handle)
4. Noah Vonleh, 6'9 PF Indiana (Jamaal Mashburn-David West Hybrid)
5. Dante Exum, 6'6 PG/SG Australia

Tier 3: Solid NBA starters

6. Marcus Smart, 6'4 SG OK St (Chauncey Billups-Lance Stevenson Hybrid)
7. James Young, 6'7 SG Kentucky (more athletic Richard Hamilton/Kevin Martin)
8. Kyle Anderson 6'8 SF UCLA (Jalen Rose)
9. Aaron Gordon, 6'8 SF Arizona (Shawn Marion lite)
10.Jerami Grant, 6'8 SF Syracuse (Gerald Wallace w/better shooting potential)
11.Julius Randle, 6'9 PF Kentucky (Corliss Williamson)
12.Tyler Ennis, 6'2 PG Syracuse (Mike Bibby)
13.Nick Stauskas, 6'6 SG Michigan (Jon Barry)
14.Adrien Payne, 6'10 PF Michigan St (David West lite)

Tier 4: unfinished NBA athletes and skilled NBA backups

15. Montrezl Harrell, 6'8 PF Loisville (Ben Wallace lite)
16. Zach LaVine, 6'5 SG UCLA (JR Smith)
17. Semaj Christon, 6'3 PG Xavier (John Wall lite)
18. Rodney Hood, 6'8 SG/SF Duke
19. Chris Walker, 6'10 PF Florida (Amare Stoudemire lite)
20. Jusuf Nurkic, 6'11 C Bosnia
21. PJ Hairston, 6'5 SG UNC
22. Gary Harris, 6'4 SG Michigan St (Delonte West)
23. Doug McDermott, 6'8 SF Creigton (Mike Miller at half speed)
24. Willie Caulie-Stein, 7'0 C Kentucky
25. Dario Saric, 6'9 PF, Croatia
26. Markel Brown, 6'3 SG OK St
27. Andrew Harrison, 6'5 PG Kentucky
28. Wayne Seldon, 6'5 SG Kansas
29. Jahi Carson 5'11 PG Arizona State
30. Cleanthorny Early, 6'8 PF Wichita St

[LloydFree]

2014 Draft board (as of 4/05/14

Tier 1: Franchise players

1. Andrew Wiggins, 6'8 SF Kansas (Paul George)
2. Joel Embiid, 7'0 C Kansas (Jermaine O'Neil-Dikembe Mtoumbo Hybrid)

Tier 2: All star talent

3. Jabari Parker, 6'9 PF Duke (Derrick Coleman w/better handle)
4. Noah Vonleh, 6'9 PF Indiana (Jamaal Mashburn-David West Hybrid)
5. Dante Exum, 6'6 PG/SG Australia
6. Marcus Smart, 6'4 SG OK St (Chauncey Billups-Lance Stevenson Hybrid)

Tier 3: Solid NBA starters

7. Kyle Anderson 6'8 SF UCLA (Jalen Rose)
8. Aaron Gordon, 6'8 SF Arizona (Shawn Marion lite)
9. James Young, 6'7 SG Kentucky (more athletic Richard Hamilton/Kevin Martin)
10.Julius Randle, 6'9 PF Kentucky (Corliss Williamson)
11.Nick Stauskas, 6'6 SG Michigan (Bigger Steve Blake w more range)
12.Adrien Payne, 6'10 PF Michigan St (David West lite)
13.Tyler Ennis, 6'2 PG Syracuse (Mike Bibby)

Tier 4: unfinished NBA athletes and skilled NBA backups

14. Jerami Grant, 6'8 SF Syracuse (Gerald Wallace w/better shooting potential)
15. Jusuf Nurkic, 6'11 C Bosnia
16. Montrezl Harrell, 6'8 PF Loisville (Biz Byombo)
17. Zach LaVine, 6'5 SG UCLA (JR Smith)
18. Semaj Christian, 6'3 PG Xavier (John Wall lite)
19. Cleanthorny Early, 6'8 PF Wichita St
20. Gary Harris, 6'4 SG Michigan St (Delonte West)
21. Andrew Harrison, 6'5 PG Kentucky
22. Rodney Hood, 6'8 SG/SF Duke
23. Doug McDermott, 6'8 SF Creigton (Mike Miller at half speed)
24. Chris Walker, 6'10 PF Florida (Amare Stoudemire lite)
25. PJ Hairston, 6'5 SG UNC
26. Willie Caulie-Stein, 7'0 C Kentucky (Poor Man's Javalle McGee)
27. Dario Saric, 6'9 PF, Croatia
28. Shabazz Napier, 6'0 PG Conneticut
29. Jahi Carson 5'11 PG Arizona State
30. Isaiah Austin 7'1 C Baylor (could be Spencer Hawes, could be Byron Mullins)

[Apollo64]

Some of the comparisons are ...imaginative.

[LloydFree]

Some of the comparisons are ...imaginative.

JMO. Any comparison I make is based on a player who played like them or had the same attributes, at the same age or level. Now obviously Kyle Anderson doesn't play like Jalen Rose the NBA player, but he isn't much different than the college Jalen Rose.

[LloydFree]

2014 Draft board (as of 5/10/14

Tier 1: Franchise players

01. Joel Embiid, 7'0 C Kansas

Tier 2: All star talent

02. Andrew Wiggins, 6'8 SF Kansas
03. Jabari Parker, 6'9 PF Duke
04. Noah Vonleh, 6'10 PF Indiana
05. Dante Exum, 6'6 SG Australia
06. Marcus Smart, 6'4 SG OK St

Tier 3: Solid NBA starters

07. Aaron Gordon, 6'8 SF Arizona
08. Kyle Anderson 6'8 SF UCLA
09. James Young, 6'7 SG Kentucky
10. Julius Randle, 6'9 PF Kentucky
11. Nick Stauskas, 6'6 SG Michigan
12. Adrien Payne, 6'10 PF Michigan St
13. Tyler Ennis, 6'2 PG Syracuse

Tier 4: unfinished NBA athletes and skilled NBA backups

14. Gary Harris, 6'4 SG Michigan St
15. Jusuf Nurkic, 6'11 C Bosnia
16. Dario Saric, 6'9 PF, Croatia
17. Zach LaVine, 6'5 SG UCLA
18. Semaj Christian, 6'3 PG
19. PJ Hairston, 6'5 SG UNC
20. Kristpas Porzingis, SF 6'11 Latvia
21. Jerami Grant, 6'8 SF Syracuse
22. Elfrid Payton, 6'3 PG LA. Lafayette
23. Cleanthorny Early, SF Witchita St
24. Doug McDermott, 6'8 SF Creigton
25. Rodney Hood, 6'8 SG/SF Duke
26. Nick Johnson, PG/SG Arizona
27. Jordan Adams, SG UCLA
28. Shabazz Napier, 6'0 PG Conneticut
29. KJ McDaniels, 6'6 SF Clemson
30. Corey Jefferson, 6'9 PF Baylor

[LloydFree]

2014 Draft board (as of 5/17/14

Tier 1: Franchise players

01. Joel Embiid, 7'0 C Kansas

Tier 2: All star talent

02. Andrew Wiggins, 6'8 SF Kansas
03. Noah Vonleh, 6'10 PF Indiana
04. Jabari Parker, 6'9 PF Duke
05. Dante Exum, 6'6 SG Australia

Tier 3: Solid NBA starters

06. Marcus Smart, 6'4 SG OK St
07. Aaron Gordon, 6'8 SF Arizona
08. Kyle Anderson 6'8 SF UCLA
09. James Young, 6'7 SG Kentucky
10. Nick Stauskas, 6'6 SG Michigan
11. Julius Randle, 6'9 PF Kentucky
12. Adrien Payne, 6'10 PF Michigan St
13. Tyler Ennis, 6'2 PG Syracuse
14. Cleanthony Early, SF Witchita St

Tier 4: unfinished NBA athletes and skilled NBA backups

15. Zach LaVine, 6'5 SG UCLA
16. Semaj Christian, 6'3 PG
17. PJ Hairston, 6'5 SG UNC
18. Jerami Grant, 6'8 SF Syracuse
19. Elfrid Payton, 6'3 PG LA. Lafayette
20. Dario Sario, 6'9 PF, Croatia
21. Doug McDermott, 6'8 SF Creigton
22. Gary Harris, 6'4 SG Michigan St
23. Nick Johnson, PG/SG Arizona
24. Rodney Hood, 6'8 SG/SF Duke
25. Jusuf Nurkic, 6'11 C Bosnia
26. Shabazz Napier, 6'0 PG Conneticut
27. Kristpas Porzingis, SF 6'11 Latvia
28. KJ McDaniels, 6'6 SF Clemson
29. Corey Jefferson, 6'9 PF Baylor
30. Isaiah Austin, 7'1 C Baylor

[babyjax13]

I don't understand the love for Vonleh, and maybe part of it is because his game is unorthodox. He doesn't have a refined post game at all, his footwork on offense is terrible and he doesn't seem to have good court awareness on that side of the ball. He also lacks explosiveness (which doesn't seem to hurt him defensively) and I don't know that his upside is more than a fringe starter in the NBA. I have similar worries for Payne, but I think he is more talented. Interesting big board for sure, I like seeing people's opinion on how players will stack up without considering where they will be drafted.

[LloydFree]

I don't understand the love for Vonleh, and maybe part of it is because his game is unorthodox. He doesn't have a refined post game at all, his footwork on offense is terrible and he doesn't seem to have good court awareness on that side of the ball. He also lacks explosiveness (which doesn't seem to hurt him defensively) and I don't know that his upside is more than a fringe starter in the NBA. I have similar worries for Payne, but I think he is more talented. Interesting big board for sure, I like seeing people's opinion on how players will stack up without considering where they will be drafted.

I watched a lot of Indiana games this year. A lot of what I see in Vonleh is projection, due to how good he is already. Vonleh is the 3rd youngest player in the draft, behind Aaron Gordon and James Young. He already has a Right Hand and Left Hand hook in the low post. He hits his free throws. He steps out to the 3pt line and hits those shots effortlessly. The only thing he doesn't do well on offense, is find the open man out of the double team. Indiana as a whole, was a terrible passing team. He doesn't look like he has the greatest feet, but he moves laterally better than Jabari Parker and Kyle Anderson, FWIW. Defensively, he can lock down and physically bully guys. I saw him throw Adeian Payne around like a rag doll.

From what I saw, He, Embiid and Parker were the most "skilled" freshman in the country.
People knock him for not being explosive. If he was explosive, he would be the number 1 pick!

He's high on my board, because I have the least questions of how he will fit in at his position, at the next level.