GimmeDat 2017 Mock Draft

Post #21 » by **GimmeDat** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 1:04 am

BIG BOARD UPDATE 3/30/17

This is probably my best informed board yet, so it's hard quite the overall. Kicked a few guys out of the list that don't look like they'll be in as well, so it's a bit more condensed. Had the balls to bump up guys like Evans, J.Bolden, etc. up 10+ picks.

1. Fultz
2. Ball
3. Jo.Jackson
4. Tatum
5. Smith Jr.
6. Fox
7. Isaac
8. Monk
9. Bridges
10. Ntilikina
11. Markennen
12. J.Allen
13. Anunoby
14. Z.Collins
15. Hartenstein
16. Ju.Jackson
17. Donovan
18. Ferguson
19. J.Collins
20. B.Brown
21. Patton
22. Kurucs
23. J.Evans
24. Leaf
25. Rabb
26. Lydon
27. Giles
28. Kennard
29. Adebayo
30. Swanigan
31. Pasecniks
32. Hart
33. Ojeleye
34. Motley
35. Mushidi
36. J.Bolden
37.Sumner
38. T.Bryant
39. Blossomgame
40. Bacon
41. Jeanne
42. G.Allen
43. Lessort
44. Bell
45. Robinson
46. Brooks
47. Morris
48. Oliver
49. Yurtseven
50. Thornwell
51. Mason
52. Peters
53. N.Williams-Goss
54. Trier
55. Kornet
56. Kuzma
57. Peak

bulliedog8 · Post #22 » by **bulliedog8** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:49 pm

GimmeDat wrote:BIG BOARD UPDATE 3/30/17

I know Thornwell is a senior, but 6'5" carrying USCe to the final 4. Good shooting #'s (this year). I would take him early second, and hope he'd be Brogdon of this draft. What are your reasons for having him lower 2nd round?

Post #23 » by **GimmeDat** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 8:17 am

bulliedog8 wrote:
GimmeDat wrote:BIG BOARD UPDATE 3/30/17

I know Thornwell is a senior, but 6'5" carrying USCe to the final 4. Good shooting #'s (this year). I would take him early second, and hope he'd be Brogdon of this draft. What are your reasons for having him lower 2nd round?

Honestly, I haven't seen heaps of him, and I don't want to get too reactionary with his good recent play. That said, everything I've seen suggests NBA contributor to me. I actually forgot about him until midway through putting the 2nd round together, so he's a bit lower than I would have him right now. I'd probably slot him in in that 40-45 range. 2nd rounds pretty good this year depending on who declares.

Nyce_1 · Post #24 » by **Nyce_1** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 7:15 pm

Norm2953 wrote:How many of us think Fox might end up going third to Phoenix after Jackson laid an egg against
Oregon?

and we all know how much the Suns love their Kentucky guards.

Post #25 » by **GimmeDat** » Thu Apr 13, 2017 5:03 am

BIG BOARD UPDATE - 13/4/17

1. Fultz
2. Ball
3. Jackson
4. Tatum
5. Fox
6. Smith
7. Isaac
8. Z.Collins
9. Monk
10. Ntilikina
11. Allen
12. Anunoby
13. Ferguson
14. Markennen
15. J.Collins
16. Hartenstein
17. J.Jackson
18. Donovan
19. Patton
20. Kurucs
21. Evans
22. Leaf
23. Rabb
24. Giles
25. Lydon
26. Kennard
27. Jeanne
28. Adebayo
29. Swanigan
30. Anigbogu
31. Sumner
32. Pasecniks
33. Hart
34. Ojeleye
35. J.Bolden
36. Motley
37. Thornwell
38. Mushidi
39. Bryant
40. Blossomgame
41. Bacon
42. Wilson
43. G.Allen
44. Lessort
45. Bell
46. Robinson
47. Brooks
48. Oliver
49. Morris
50. Yurtseven
51. F.Mason
52. Trier
53. Kaba
54. Peters
55. Iwundu
56. NWG
57. Simmons
58. Peak
59. Kuzma
60. Hill

Blazinaway · Post #26 » by **Blazinaway** » Thu Apr 13, 2017 6:14 pm

interesting that you have Zach Collins all the way up to 8 and Allen at 11 and Markennen down to 14, big change in the bigs. Combine and workouts will like keep things in flux, be interested if Zach C stays in the top 10

Dan Z · Post #27 » by **Dan Z** » Thu Apr 13, 2017 6:28 pm

Many people have Tatum at 4. Why wouldn't the Sixers go for a PG? Or is Tatum just that much better than the rest?

The Sixers already have Robert Covington and Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot at the SF position. Plus I think Ben Simmons could play there too.

Post #28 » by **GimmeDat** » Sat Apr 15, 2017 1:38 am

Dan Z wrote:Many people have Tatum at 4. Why wouldn't the Sixers go for a PG? Or is Tatum just that much better than the rest?

The Sixers already have Robert Covington and Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot at the SF position. Plus I think Ben Simmons could play there too.

It's an interesting position Philly are in. Worth noting my latest post was a big board, so I didn't factor in team needs. I would honestly look at trading up or down in their scenario, because as you said, SF isn't a big need for them (but in my opinion BPA). PG is a need but I think Fox is a really poor fit for Philly.

I think they pray to land in the top 2 and get Fultz or Ball, but otherwise, I would look at moving the pick either for an established talent or down in the draft. They could trade for the Kings 8+10 and draft some combination of Ntilikina, Smith Jr, Monk, Isaac etc.

Blazinaway wrote:interesting that you have Zach Collins all the way up to 8 and Allen at 11 and Markennen down to 14, big change in the bigs. Combine and workouts will like keep things in flux, be interested if Zach C stays in the top 10

Yeah, thought I'd stick to my guns on these guys. I think Collins is the best C in the draft, Allen not too far behind. I think with Markennen, once you get over his combination of size/shooting, is a pretty hole-filled prospect. He's too skilled to fall out of the lottery, but I would definitely have him as the 3rd best big behind those guys.

If there's one thing I would change from what I wrote a few days ago, it would be swapping J.Collins and Patton around (15<>19). I think I've been a bit hard on Patton lately, he's got great tools.

Will be very interesting to see how workouts affect things, for sure.

Post #29 » by **GimmeDat** » Tue Apr 25, 2017 8:43 am

Since the entrance deadline is passed, thought I'd finally do an actual mock. My problems with doing a mock so early on is that I usually over-emphasize team fit so that each pick seems considered, but then you always have guys fall lower than they should, so some may not be good fits but are purely BPA motivated.

This is also factoring in what I think teams *will do* (my projection of what will happen) with my own assessments, it's not purely me picking who I would pick for each team, necessarily. Explanations are with each pick anyway.

Mock Draft - 25/4/17

Celtics - Markelle Fultz
Suns - Lonzo Ball
Lakers - Josh Jackson
76er's - Jayson Tatum
Magic - Malik Monk
T-Wolves - Jonothan Isaac
Knicks - Dennis Smith Jr.
Kings - De'Aaron Fox
Mavs - Frank Ntilikina
Kings - Justin Jackson
Hornets - Zach Collins
Pistons - Terrance Ferguson
Nuggets - OG Anunoby
Heat - Lauri Markennen
Blazers - Jarrett Allen
Bulls - Jonathan Patton
Bucks - Donovan Mitchell
Pacers - Frank Jackson
Blazers - Isaiah Hartenstein
Hawks - John Collins
Thunder - Juwan Evans
Nets - Harry Giles
Blazers - Rodions Kurucs
Jazz - Ivan Rabb
Raptors - Semi Ojeleye
Magic - Hamidou Diallo
Nets - Tyler Lydon
Lakers - Ivan Rabb
Spurs - Ike Anigbogu

Going to update this with explanations soon.

Post #30 » by **GimmeDat** » Sat May 13, 2017 1:31 am

I should probably just wait until after the lottery and do a mock, but here's where I'm at right now -

1. Fultz
2. Ball
3. Jackson
4. Fox
5. Tatum
6. Smith Jr
7. Isaac
8. Z.Collins
9. Monk
10. Ntilikina
11. J.Allen
12. Mitchell
13. Anigbogu
14. Diallo
15. Anunoby
16. Patton
17. J.Jackson
18. Ferguson
19. F.Jackson
20. J.Collins
21. Leaf
22. Evans
23. Hartenstein
24. Giles
25. Kurucs
26. Jeanne
27. Swanigan
28. Adebayo
29. Kennard
30. Pasecniks
31. Lydon
32. J.Bolden
33. Ojeleye
34. Sumner
35. Hart
36. Bradley
37. Bell
38. Bryant
39. Thornwell
40. Blossomgame
41. Kaba
42. Mushidi
43. Dozier
44. Motley
45. Bacon
46. Oliver
47. Lessort
48. White
49. Yurtseven
50. Iwundu
51. Wilson
52. Robinson
53. Brooks
54. Mason Jr.
55. Morris
56. Simmons
57. Peters
58. NWG
59. Kuzma
60. Dotson

Norm2953 · Post #31 » by **Norm2953** » Sun May 14, 2017 5:26 pm

Blazer fans think SF is likely their pick at 15 (assuming nobody better drops to them at 15) for the
strength of the draft in the mid-first round are the PF/C that can be had at 20. Portland has a
equally large need for a front court player that can make the open shots that Aminu has missed
for two seasons. Look for Jordan Bell to go to Portland at 26.

Post #32 » by **GimmeDat** » Mon May 15, 2017 2:20 am

Norm2953 wrote:Blazer fans think SF is likely their pick at 15 (assuming nobody better drops to them at 15) for the
strength of the draft in the mid-first round are the PF/C that can be had at 20. Portland has a
equally large need for a front court player that can make the open shots that Aminu has missed
for two seasons. Look for Jordan Bell to go to Portland at 26.

Worth remembering this is a big board so I haven't taken team needs in to account.

If I was you guys, I would go for something like one of Allen/Anigbogu at 15, Leaf at 20, Kurucs at 26 (based on who I expect to be available).

Post #33 » by **GimmeDat** » Wed May 24, 2017 4:38 am

Latest Big Board -

1. Fultz
2. Ball
3. Jackson
4. Tatum
5. Fox
6. DSJ
7. Isaac
8. Monk
9. Z.Collins
10. Ntilikina
11. Markennen
12. Mitchell
13. Anunoby
14. J.Jackson
15. J.Allen
16. F.Jackson
17. Anigbogu
18. Diallo
19. Kennard
20. Patton
21. Ferguson
22. J.Collins
23. Leaf
24. Giles
25. Jeanne
26. Evans
27. Adebayo
28. J.Bolden
29. Bell
30. Kurucs
31. Hartenstein
32. Swanigan
33. Pasecniks
34. Lydon
35. Ojeleye
36. White
37. Wilson
38. Bradley
30. Hart
40. Sumner
41. Bryant
42. Thornwell
43. Dozier
44. Oliver
45. Motley
46. Brooks
47. Mushidi
48. Blossomgame
49. Bacon
50. Yurtseven
51. Lessort
52. Kaba
53. Kuzma
54. Mason Jr.
55. Morris
56. Peters
57. Iwundu
58. Simmons
59. NWG
60. Robinson

It's a deep 2nd round, really hard to rank some of those guys. I've stabilized the 1st round a bit more and reconsidered the 2nd round a fair bit as well.

jbent87 · Post #34 » by **jbent87** » Wed May 24, 2017 2:40 pm

GimmeDat wrote:Latest Big Board -

1. Fultz
2. Ball
3. Jackson
4. Tatum
5. Fox
6. DSJ
7. Isaac
8. Monk
9. Z.Collins
10. Ntilikina
11. Markennen
12. Mitchell
13. Anunoby
14. J.Jackson
15. J.Allen
16. F.Jackson
17. Anigbogu
18. Diallo
19. Kennard
20. Patton
21. Ferguson
22. J.Collins
23. Leaf
24. Giles
25. Jeanne
26. Evans
27. Adebayo
28. J.Bolden
29. Bell
30. Kurucs
31. Hartenstein
32. Swanigan
33. Pasecniks
34. Lydon
35. Ojeleye
36. White
37. Wilson
38. Bradley
30. Hart
40. Sumner
41. Bryant
42. Thornwell
43. Dozier
44. Oliver
45. Motley
46. Brooks
47. Mushidi
48. Blossomgame
49. Bacon
50. Yurtseven
51. Lessort
52. Kaba
53. Kuzma
54. Mason Jr.
55. Morris
56. Peters
57. Iwundu
58. Simmons
59. NWG
60. Robinson

It's a deep 2nd round, really hard to rank some of those guys. I've stabilized the 1st round a bit more and reconsidered the 2nd round a fair bit as well.

are you going to put out a new mock based on this?

Post #35 » by **GimmeDat** » Thu May 25, 2017 1:17 am

jbent87 wrote:
GimmeDat wrote:Latest Big Board -

1. Fultz
2. Ball
3. Jackson
4. Tatum
5. Fox
6. DSJ
7. Isaac
8. Monk
9. Z.Collins
10. Ntilikina
11. Markennen
12. Mitchell
13. Anunoby
14. J.Jackson
15. J.Allen
16. F.Jackson
17. Anigbogu
18. Diallo
19. Kennard
20. Patton
21. Ferguson
22. J.Collins
23. Leaf
24. Giles
25. Jeanne
26. Evans
27. Adebayo
28. J.Bolden
29. Bell
30. Kurucs
31. Hartenstein
32. Swanigan
33. Pasecniks
34. Lydon
35. Ojeleye
36. White
37. Wilson
38. Bradley
30. Hart
40. Sumner
41. Bryant
42. Thornwell
43. Dozier
44. Oliver
45. Motley
46. Brooks
47. Mushidi
48. Blossomgame
49. Bacon
50. Yurtseven
51. Lessort
52. Kaba
53. Kuzma
54. Mason Jr.
55. Morris
56. Peters
57. Iwundu
58. Simmons
59. NWG
60. Robinson

It's a deep 2nd round, really hard to rank some of those guys. I've stabilized the 1st round a bit more and reconsidered the 2nd round a fair bit as well.

are you going to put out a new mock based on this?

Yeah, hopefully in 3-4 days.

Post #36 » by **GimmeDat** » Sun May 28, 2017 10:44 am

MOCK (1st Round) - Loosely based on the above Big Board, though I have some mental changes to the above which will be reflected here. Also, heavily influenced on what teams want and who I *think* teams will take -

1. Boston - Markelle Fultz
2. LA Lakers - Lonzo Ball
3. Philadelphia - Josh Jackson
4. Phoenix - Jayson Tatum
5. Sacramento - De'Aaron Fox
6. Orlando - Dennis Smith
7. Minnesota - Jonathan Isaac
8. New York - Frank Ntilikina
9. Dallas - Malik Monk
10. Sacramento -Lauri Markkanen
11. Charlotte - Zach Collins (Charlotte look what options they can do re: moving this pick imo)
12. Detroit - Donovan Mitchell
13. Denver - O.G. Anunoby
14. Miami - Jonah Bolden (could see Miami trading back, and yeah I did just put Bolden in the lottery)
15. Portland - Justin Jackson
16. Chicago - Jarrett Allen
17. Milwaukee - Frank Jackson
18. Indiana - John Collins
19. Atlanta - Justin Patton
20. Portland - Terrance Ferguson
21. Oklahoma City - Rodions Kurucs
22. Brooklyn - Harry Giles
23. Toronto - TJ Leaf
24. Utah - Juwan Evans
25. Orlando - Luke Kennard
26. Portland - Ike Anigbogu
27. Brooklyn - Isaiah Hartenstein
28. LA Lakers - Jordan Bell
29. San Antonio - Jonathan Jeanne
30. Utah - Jordan Bell

Rabb, Lydon, Adebayo, Pasecniks, Ojeleye not quite making the cut.

Spens1 · Post #37 » by **Spens1** » Sun May 28, 2017 10:57 am

Bolden in the lottery, did something happen all of a sudden to move him up 14 spots?

Post #38 » by **GimmeDat** » Mon May 29, 2017 6:49 am

Spens1 wrote:Bolden in the lottery, did something happen all of a sudden to move him up 14 spots?

I've watched a lot more of him and been more convicted in my opinion on him, which has moved him up considerably in my eyes, but in this mock there's also a degree of Miami reaching for a PF here. I rate Bolden above Leaf, J.Collins and Hartenstein at this stage.

Big board wise he's probably closer to 20 though, which is a jump of 8 from the one above.

Post #39 » by **Prez** » Mon May 29, 2017 7:40 am

Any mock that has Frank Jackson going to the Bucks gets my full approval, for whatever that's worth lol. Good stuff. Bolden a bit high imo and I'd take DSJ top 3 though. Jeanne going to the Spurs could end up being pretty high on the long list of "god dammit the Spurs did it again" moves.

Post #40 » by **GimmeDat** » Mon May 29, 2017 8:31 am

Prez wrote:Any mock that has Frank Jackson going to the Bucks gets my full approval, for whatever that's worth lol. Good stuff. Bolden a bit high imo and I'd take DSJ top 3 though. Jeanne going to the Spurs could end up being pretty high on the long list of "god dammit the Spurs did it again" moves.

Yeah, Frank's a great fit for you guys. He's on my shortlist for the Bulls at 16 as well. Bolden is an unorthodox pick, I know that, I'm a fan though. I'm cool with DSJ up to 3, I think his 'shortcomings' are overblown and he's going to be a really strong NBA piece. And I like a high upside guy like Jeanne for SAS, they should be quietly looking to try and rebuild a core on the fly right now and the have the depth to just hide Jeanne for a few years while he gets stronger.