Evanz (thecity2) Big Board

[EvanZ]

Post-Combine board. Had to move Zhaire down and Melton up based on measurements. I feel like those two can't be separated by too many slots and I probably had Zhaire too high given he's now clearly a combo-guard size more than a big wing. Also moved Miles up.

R1 P1 T1 - Doncic
R1 P2 T1 - JJJ

R1 P3 T2 - Trae
R1 P4 T2 - Ayton

R1 P5 T3 - Miles
R1 P6 T3 - Jontay

R1 P7 T4 - Bamba
R1 P8 T4 - Bagley
R1 P9 T4 - Huerter
R1 P10 T4 - Shai

R1 P11 T5 - Zhaire
R1 P12 T5 - MPJ
R1 P13 T5 - Troy Brown
R1 P14 T5 - Okogie
R1 P15 T5 - Melton
R1 P16 T5 - Williams
R1 P17 T5 - WCJ
R1 P18 T5 - Mikal

R1 P19 T6 - Knox
R1 P20 T6 - Jacob Evans
R1 P21 T6 - Musa
R1 P22 T6 - Shamet
R1 P23 T6 - Spellman
R1 P24 T6 - Okobo
R1 P25 T6 - Walker

R1 P26 T7 - Kenrich
R1 P27 T7 - Sexton
R1 P28 T7 - Donte
R1 P29 T7 - Shake
R1 P30 T7 - Bates-Diop

R1 P1 T8 - MitchRob
R1 P2 T8 - Konate
R2 P3 T8 - Duval
R2 P4 T8 - McDowell-White
R2 P5 T8 - Vanderbilt
R2 P6 T8 - Wagner
R2 P7 T8 - Alkins
R2 P8 T8 - Brunson
R2 P9 T8 - Grayson
R2 P10 T8 - Hutchison
R2 P11 T8 - Trent
R2 P12 T8 - Bonga
R2 P13 T8 - Khyri
R2 P14 T8 - Justin Jackson
R2 P15 T8 - Battle
R2 P16 T8 - Ponds
R2 P17 T8 - Bruce Brown
R2 P18 T8 - Bitadze
R2 P19 T8 - Carr

R2 P20 T9 - Happ
R2 P21 T9 - Roby
R3 P22 T9 - Wilkes
R2 P23 T9 - Trier
R2 P24 T9 - Newman
R2 P25 T9 - Jevon Carter
R2 P26 T9 - Holiday
R2 P27 T9 - Diallo
R2 P28 T9 - Kurucs
R2 P29 T9 - Hall
R3 P30 T9 - Hervey

[yoyoboy]

Post-Combine board. Had to move Zhaire down and Melton up based on measurements. I feel like those two can't be separated by too many slots and I probably had Zhaire too high given he's now clearly a combo-guard size more than a big wing. Also moved Miles up.

R1 P1 T1 - Doncic
R1 P2 T1 - JJJ

R1 P3 T2 - Trae
R1 P4 T2 - Ayton

R1 P5 T3 - Miles
R1 P6 T3 - Jontay

R1 P7 T4 - Bamba
R1 P8 T4 - Bagley
R1 P9 T4 - Huerter
R1 P10 T4 - Shai

R1 P11 T5 - Zhaire
R1 P12 T5 - MPJ
R1 P13 T5 - Troy Brown
R1 P14 T5 - Okogie
R1 P15 T5 - Melton
R1 P16 T5 - Williams
R1 P17 T5 - WCJ
R1 P18 T5 - Mikal

R1 P19 T6 - Knox
R1 P20 T6 - Jacob Evans
R1 P21 T6 - Musa
R1 P22 T6 - Shamet
R1 P23 T6 - Spellman
R1 P24 T6 - Okobo
R1 P25 T6 - Walker

R1 P26 T7 - Kenrich
R1 P27 T7 - Sexton
R1 P28 T7 - Donte
R1 P29 T7 - Shake
R1 P30 T7 - Bates-Diop

R1 P1 T8 - MitchRob
R1 P2 T8 - Konate
R2 P3 T8 - Duval
R2 P4 T8 - McDowell-White
R2 P5 T8 - Vanderbilt
R2 P6 T8 - Wagner
R2 P7 T8 - Alkins
R2 P8 T8 - Brunson
R2 P9 T8 - Grayson
R2 P10 T8 - Hutchison
R2 P11 T8 - Trent
R2 P12 T8 - Bonga
R2 P13 T8 - Khyri
R2 P14 T8 - Justin Jackson
R2 P15 T8 - Battle
R2 P16 T8 - Ponds
R2 P17 T8 - Bruce Brown
R2 P18 T8 - Bitadze
R2 P19 T8 - Carr

R2 P20 T9 - Happ
R2 P21 T9 - Roby
R3 P22 T9 - Wilkes
R2 P23 T9 - Trier
R2 P24 T9 - Newman
R2 P25 T9 - Jevon Carter
R2 P26 T9 - Holiday
R2 P27 T9 - Diallo
R2 P28 T9 - Kurucs
R2 P29 T9 - Hall
R3 P30 T9 - Hervey

Wow, so you're really high on Miles then. Just curious, what do you like about him so much? I personally have him in the 18-22 range on my big board. I just can't see what he'll be able to do at an elite level in the NBA. He's not a good creator due to a meh handle, a tight upright posture, and predictable go-to-moves, resulting in him being more of a straight line attacker. I'm not sold on his shot just yet and in college defenders were able to force him into a ton of inefficient midrange jumpers because of his lack of ability to take players off the dribble all the way to the hoop unless an open lane presented itself. Plus he wasnt able to get to the line much at MSU, with a FTr of just .245 across two years and .239 this pas one. And while he's super athletic, length is so much more important in my eyes. And an 8'7.5 standing reach is just a glaring issue for a guy who doesn't look skilled enough to be a 3 and looks best as a small ball 4. Even a complete outlier like Draymond has a standing reach of 8'10. His reach is 1.3 inches shorter than the average NBA SF and 2.4 inches longer than the average SG (as of 2014 data). In college Bridges' lack of length hurt his ability to contest from a standstill position and he was a nonexistent post defender/rim protector, so I just don't see who he's going to defend at the next level.

And I'd love to believe that Bridges is a stud in the making because it's rumored that Gilbert likes Miles (and he's even been at a few Cavs playoff games in the past few weeks) which makes sense considering they both went to MSU, so I've already resigned myself to the fact that we're going to be taking him at 8 over propects like Mikal, Carter, Young, and even Jontay, all of whom I like far better. But I just don't see it with Miles.

[EvanZ]

Miles main selling point is flexibility. I think he can guard 2-4/5. He's a bull and he can jump. Measurements were actually better than I was expecting. Draymond's standing reach was measured at 8'9", so it's not that far off and if you look at Miles FR year when he played the 4, his block rate was significantly higher. He's not a +++ rim protector but I think he can be neutral or somewhat over-achieve there. I see him basically as a much better version of Harrison Barnes, better at everything in terms of playing basketball. The way the league is going that is pretty valuable. Also think souped up PJ Tucker, Jae Crowder, Carrol, etc.

Totally understand he's not for everyone. But that's what makes this fun!

[EvanZ]

Made sort of a philosophical change moving a group of wings (Huerter through Melton) into one tier ahead of a group of bigs (Bagley through Williams). The idea is that I think one of these wings will "hit" and whichever one (I don't know for sure) will be more valuable than any of those bigs potentially.

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R1 P1 T1 - Doncic
R1 P2 T1 - JJJ

R1 P3 T2 - Trae
R1 P4 T2 - Miles
R1 P5 T2 - Ayton

R1 P6 T3 - Jontay
R1 P7 T3 - Huerter
R1 P8 T3 - MPJ
R1 P9 T3 - Shai
R1 P10 T3 - Zhaire
R1 P11 T3 - Melton

R1 P12 T4 - Bagley
R1 P13 T4 - Bamba
R1 P14 T4 - WCJ
R1 P15 T4 - Williams

R1 P16 T5 - Troy Brown
R1 P17 T5 - Knox
R1 P18 T5 - Okogie
R1 P19 T5 - Mikal

R1 P20 T6 - Okobo
R1 P21 T6 - Jacob Evans
R1 P22 T6 - Musa
R1 P23 T6 - Sexton
R1 P24 T6 - Spellman
R1 P25 T6 - Walker
R1 P26 T6 - Shamet

R1 P27 T7 - Kenrich
R1 P28 T7 - Bates-Diop
R1 P29 T7 - Donte
R1 P30 T7 - Shake
R2 P1 T7 - MitchRob
R2 P2 T7 - Konate
R2 P3 T7 - Frazier
R2 P4 T7 - Fernando
R2 P5 T7 - Duval
R2 P6 T7 - McDowell-White

R2 P7 T8 - Vanderbilt
R2 P8 T8 - Wagner
R2 P9 T8 - Alkins
R2 P10 T8 - Brunson
R2 P11 T8 - Grayson
R2 P12 T8 - Hutchison
R2 P13 T8 - Trent
R2 P14 T8 - Robinson
R2 P15 T8 - Bonga
R2 P16 T8 - Khyri
R2 P17 T8 - Justin Jackson
R2 P18 T8 - Ponds
R2 P19 T8 - Bruce Brown
R2 P20 T8 - Bitadze
R2 P21 T8 - Battle

R2 P22 T9 - Carr
R2 P23 T9 - Happ
R2 P24 T9 - Roby
R3 P25 T9 - Wilkes
R2 P26 T9 - Trier
R2 P27 T9 - Newman
R2 P28 T9 - Jevon Carter
R2 P29 T9 - Holiday
R2 P30 T9 - Diallo

[Spens1]

Is Huerter really that good?

[EvanZ]

Is Huerter really that good?

I don't know, but I don't want to miss out on him if he is.

[EvanZ]

Post-Decision (pretty sure everyone on my board is set):

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R1 P1 T1 - Doncic
R1 P2 T1 - JJJ

R1 P3 T2 - Miles
R1 P4 T2 - Trae
R1 P5 T2 - Ayton

R1 P6 T3 - Huerter
R1 P7 T3 - Zhaire
R1 P8 T3 - MPJ
R1 P9 T3 - Shai
R1 P10 T3 - Mikal
R1 P11 T3 - Melton

R1 P12 T4 - Bagley
R1 P13 T4 - Bamba
R1 P14 T4 - Knox
R1 P15 T4 - Okogie
R1 P16 T4 - Walker
R2 P17 T4 - Hutchison

R1 P18 T5 - WCJ
R1 P19 T5 - Williams
R2 P20 T5 - MitchRob

R1 P21 T6 - Troy Brown
R1 P22 T6 - Okobo
R1 P23 T6 - Jacob Evans
R1 P24 T6 - Musa
R1 P25 T6 - Spellman
R1 P26 T6 - Sexton
R1 P27 T6 - Bruce Brown
R1 P28 T6 - Shamet

R1 P29 T7 - Bates-Diop
R1 P30 T7 - Frazier
R2 P1 T7 - Kenrich
R2 P2 T7 - Trent
R2 P3 T7 - Alkins
R2 P4 T7 - Donte
R2 P5 T7 - Khyri
R2 P6 T7 - Shake
R2 P7 T7 - Duval
R2 P8 T7 - McDowell-White
R2 P9 T7 - Hervey
R2 P10 T7 - Vanderbilt
R2 P11 T7 - Wagner

R2 P12 T8 - Brunson
R2 P13 T8 - Grayson
R2 P14 T8 - Robinson
R2 P15 T8 - Bonga
R2 P16 T8 - Justin Jackson
R2 P17 T8 - Bitadze

R2 P18 T9 - Carr
R2 P19 T9 - Trier
R2 P20 T9 - Newman
R2 P21 T9 - Jevon Carter
R2 P22 T9 - Holiday
R2 P23 T9 - Diallo
R2 P24 T9 - Kurucs
R2 P25 T9 - Hall
R2 P26 T9 - Mykhailiuk
R2 P27 T9 - Kulboka
R2 P28 T9 - Sanon
R2 P29 T9 - King
R2 P30 T9 - Roberson

[BlueSan]

Miles Bridges definitely looks interesting to me as well

I am a bit "sad" about Jevon Carter and Newman, because I think they are sleepers

[pad300]

Ya think Wendell Carter is going to fall all the way to SAS at 18? I hope so, as a Spurs fan, but not a chance...

[EvanZ]

Ya think Wendell Carter is going to fall all the way to SAS at 18? I hope so, as a Spurs fan, but not a chance...

Difference between "Big Board" and "Mock Draft".

No, I don't think he's dropping to 18. But that's where he drops on my board.

[EvanZ]

Getting close...

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R1 P1 T1 - Doncic
R1 P2 T1 - JJJ

R1 P3 T2 - Miles
R1 P4 T2 - Trae
R1 P5 T2 - Ayton
R1 P6 T2 - MPJ
R1 P7 T2 - Bagley

R1 P8 T3 - Huerter
R1 P9 T3 - Zhaire
R1 P10 T3 - Knox
R1 P11 T3 - WCJ
R1 P12 T3 - Williams
R1 P13 T3 - Bamba

R1 P14 T4 - Okogie
R1 P15 T4 - Shai
R1 P16 T4 - Mikal
R1 P17 T4 - Melton
R1 P18 T4 - Walker

R1 P19 T5 - Troy Brown
R1 P20 T5 - Hutchison
R1 P21 T5 - Jacob Evans
R1 P22 T5 - Bruce Brown
R1 P23 T5 - MitchRob
R1 P24 T5 - Spellman
R1 P25 T5 - Shamet
R1 P26 T5 - Bates-Diop

R1 P27 T6 - Musa
R1 P28 T6 - Sexton
R1 P29 T6 - Okobo
R1 P30 T6 - Frazier
R2 P1 T6 - Kenrich
R2 P2 T6 - Alkins
R2 P3 T6 - Vanderbilt
R2 P4 T6 - DiVincenzo
R2 P5 T6 - Trent
R2 P6 T6 - Khyri
R2 P7 T6 - Shake
R2 P8 T6 - Duval
R2 P9 T6 - Hervey
R2 P10 T6 - Wagner
R2 P11 T6 - Robinson
R2 P12 T6 - Clark
R2 P13 T6 - Hogg
R2 P14 T6 - Brunson
R2 P15 T6 - Grayson
R2 P16 T6 - Bonga
R2 P17 T6 - Justin Jackson

R2 P18 T7 - Roberson
R2 P19 T7 - Barnett
R2 P20 T7 - Penava
R2 P21 T7 - Carr
R2 P22 T7 - Trier
R2 P23 T7 - Newman
R2 P24 T7 - Jevon Carter
R2 P25 T7 - Holiday
R2 P26 T7 - Diallo
R2 P27 T7 - Kurucs
R2 P28 T7 - Hall
R2 P29 T7 - Mykhailiuk
R2 P30 T7 - Kulboka

[GimmeDat]

A couple more Q's on a few guys I continue to find a little polarizing -

- You've got Hutchison at a reasonably favourable spot at 20. I'm really sold by the eye test on him, think he's got great long strides, quite athletic for a senior, is a legitimate ball handler for an SF and has good passing ability/instincts (though his issue did get him a bit beyond his ability in that regard, not the assist/TO ratio). Maybe not as great a defender as you'd hope but not bad by any means. Seems like a more than serviceable shooter at this point, maybe a bit streaky and not super versatile in ways to get it off, but no liability.

I've seen people knock him for his skill-set once you peg him in to more of a 3/D role, and knock his production because of the quality of competition. What's your thoughts on him?

- Knox is a guy I'm trying to find a middle-ground on. Was super keen on his potential before the season, had him 6th on my board I believe, then became increasingly frustrated with him through the NCAA season and know I have him just outside the lottery. I sold myself on him being fools gold. Now, I've gone back a bit, listened, though not completely agreed, with people telling me about his misuse, highlighting his age and such, watched more footage, etc. and I think I'm going to bring him back up to 10-14 range. Schmitz said the other day he'd take him over both Bridges'. How do you think he compares to the Bridges'? Obviously your answer will be coming from someone who has non-consensus opinions on both Bridges', so I'll keep that in mind as well.

- My basic thoughts on the Bulls spot at 7 is Bamba is my favourite (I can see you'd question that preference), and if not, I'm trying to evaluate who I like out of Young/Carter/MPJ/Miles. As someone with Miles 5th on your board, which is one of the highest rankings I've seen him, I would imagine you would be an advocate for Miles as the preference out of that group. Can you sell me on what you see on him to have him that high?

Interested to hear your thoughts, EvanZ.

[EvanZ]

I wasn't as high on Hutchison initially, but I've come around on him recently. I feel like if you buy Hutchison's shooting, he's really not all that different a prospect from Mikal, and actually more like Mikal with some upside as a creator. It seems like enough upside to bet on around 20 (which is probably where he ends up going).

I've got Miles #3 on my board! So yeah, I'm high on him (admittedly it's probably unrealistically high, but I figure everyone should have a few wildcards on their board). I have come around on Knox quite a bit. I do think Calipari players tend to be hidden or misused somewhat. He's not really that athletic, but he is one of the younger Freshman and he's got length. If you view him as a 4, I think it starts to make sense. Why can't he be a better Harrison Barnes? Actually, a bunch of guys in this draft can be a better Harrison Barnes (Miles, MPJ, Knox among them).

The Bulls need as much talent as possible, I can see the allure of pairing Bamba with Markannen, but I'm just not that high on him to be honest. He's also a 20-year old Freshman.

[EvanZ]

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Final Big Board

R1 P1 T1 - Doncic
R1 P2 T1 - JJJ

R1 P3 T2 - Miles
R1 P4 T2 - Trae
R1 P5 T2 - Ayton
R1 P6 T2 - MPJ
R1 P7 T2 - Bagley

R1 P8 T3 - Huerter
R1 P9 T3 - Zhaire
R1 P10 T3 - Knox
R1 P11 T3 - WCJ
R1 P12 T3 - Williams
R1 P13 T3 - Bamba

R1 P14 T4 - Okogie
R1 P15 T4 - Shai
R1 P16 T4 - Mikal
R1 P17 T4 - Melton
R1 P18 T4 - Walker

R1 P19 T5 - Troy Brown
R1 P20 T5 - Hutchison
R1 P21 T5 - Jacob Evans
R1 P22 T5 - Bruce Brown
R1 P23 T5 - MitchRob
R1 P24 T5 - Spellman
R1 P25 T5 - Shamet
R1 P26 T5 - Bates-Diop

R1 P27 T6 - Musa
R1 P28 T6 - Sexton
R1 P29 T6 - Okobo
R2 P30 T6 - Kenrich
R2 P1 T6 - Vanderbilt
R2 P2 T6 - DiVincenzo
R2 P3 T6 - Trent
R2 P4 T6 - Alkins
R2 P5 T6 - Khyri
R2 P6 T6 - Wagner
R2 P7 T6 - Shake
R2 P8 T6 - Holiday
R2 P9 T6 - Robinson
R2 P10 T6 - Keenan Evans
R2 P11 T6 - Frazier
R2 P12 T6 - Duval
R2 P13 T6 - Clark
R2 P14 T6 - Hogg
R2 P15 T6 - Brunson
R2 P16 T6 - Grayson
R2 P17 T6 - Bonga
R2 P18 T6 - Simons
R2 P19 T6 - Jevon Carter

R2 P20 T7 - Hervey
R2 P21 T7 - Justin Jackson
R2 P22 T7 - Vince Edwards
R2 P23 T7 - Roberson
R2 P24 T7 - Barnett
R2 P25 T7 - Penava
R2 P26 T7 - Bluiett
R2 P27 T7 - Hall
R2 P28 T7 - Trier
R2 P29 T7 - Carr
R2 P30 T7 - Newman
R P T7 - Diallo
R P T7 - Kurucs
R P T7 - Mykhailiuk
R P T7 - Kulboka
R P T7 - Sanon
R P T7 - King
R P T7 - McCoy
R P T7 - Graham
R P T7 - Vernon
R P T7 - Gabriel
R P T7 - Kostas
R P T7 - Spalding
R P T7 - Metu