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It's an interesting board and obviously differs a fair bit from most, but it'll be interesting to see how right you are when things pan out.

I definitely like Okogie and Jontay a whole lot, but I would personally feel like this is too far. Likewise I acknowledge the concerns with Bagley, Bamba, and Ayton but wouldn't place them that low. Maybe this is a bit too contrarian, or maybe I just don't have the balls to commit to the guys I like to this extent.

Makes me think back to last year, I loved Donovan Mitchell, but not to the extent that I would put him over the 'top' guys like Fox, DSJ, etc. Perhaps an example of trying to hedge bets and give a little bit of leeway for the guys with more hype, when objectively, if you were shown each guy with no context, maybe Mitchell was a guy I would've put higher than I did.

Either way, I commend you for committing to the guys you like.

admit it, you just picked names out of a hat?

shakes0 wrote:admit it, you just picked names out of a hat?

lol, not at all

I'm just trying to ignore "conventional wisdom" and make my own judgements/evaluations as much as possible.

EvanZ wrote:lol, not at all

I'm just trying to ignore "conventional wisdom" and make my own judgements/evaluations as much as possible.

Respect.

This is what I want to see more of on these boards. So many lists are slight tweaks on the latest ESPN mock that don't add anything to the discussion.

Comments/Questions on your board:
-We have the same top 3!
-Why the clear separation between Ayton/Bagley? A lot of their positives/negatives seem fairly similar to me, and I'd expect them to be within a couple slots of each other on most boards.
-That is Robert Williams right?
-Okogie is obviously your big deviation, haven't seen a ton of him, but his vertical explosion seemed lacking in the little time I watched. Do you feel similarly? Are you concerned at all that statistically he didn't seem to show a ton of improvement from Fr to So season?
-Is 14 as far out as you're planning on going? It seems like approximately the right number to me as that's about how many starter+ players you'll get in any 1 draft.

EvanZ wrote:.

Where do you have Lonnie Walker?

The-Power wrote:

EvanZ wrote:.

Where do you have Lonnie Walker?

He's in a huge tier with a bunch of wings, haven't fully sussed out yet. Probably late first, early second. My draft will end up with around 45 wings.

eminence wrote:

EvanZ wrote:lol, not at all

I'm just trying to ignore "conventional wisdom" and make my own judgements/evaluations as much as possible.

Respect.

This is what I want to see more of on these boards. So many lists are slight tweaks on the latest ESPN mock that don't add anything to the discussion.

Comments/Questions on your board:
-We have the same top 3!
-Why the clear separation between Ayton/Bagley? A lot of their positives/negatives seem fairly similar to me, and I'd expect them to be within a couple slots of each other on most boards.
-That is Robert Williams right?
-Okogie is obviously your big deviation, haven't seen a ton of him, but his vertical explosion seemed lacking in the little time I watched. Do you feel similarly? Are you concerned at all that statistically he didn't seem to show a ton of improvement from Fr to So season?
-Is 14 as far out as you're planning on going? It seems like approximately the right number to me as that's about how many starter+ players you'll get in any 1 draft.

Ayton's physical upside is just too massive to move down further. I have similar questions about the defensive IQ and toughness of both, but Bagley has some real physical limitations if he plays the 5. His reach/wingspan isn't that great. Ayton just seems a better bet. I really worry Bagley is a tweener and not in a good way.

Yes, Robert Williams.

Okogie may not be elite athleticism but he's above average and looks incredibly strong to me. He also has a 7' wingspan! Watch him rebound, he's a monster when he goes after the ball. Regarding lack of improvement, I actually have thought about it, but for now, it's not enoug of a red flag to move him down.

I've got about 14, the next bunch is like a big massive tier that I think order is much more dependent on team needs on such. But I'll probably mock out at leat to the end of R1 at some point.

Making some changes and adding a few players (stars indicate tiers-ish):

1) Doncic
***
2) JJJ
3) Trae
***
4) Ayton
***
5) Jontay
6) Miles
7) MPJ
8) Bamba
9) Bagley
***
10) WCJ
11) Mikal
12) Shai
13) Zhaire
14) Williams
15) Okogie
16) Shake
17) Shamet
19) Troy Brown
20) Knox
21) Jacob Evans
22) Keita Bates-Diop
23) Kenrich
24) Khyri

Moved Mikal down several notches. More I look into it the less I trust his shooting eliteness. Moved Jontay over Miles. Flipped WCJ and Bamba. Added Zhaire to Lottery. Added Shake and Shamet, who I think are two of the top 4-5 shooters in the class. Added Khyri, Brown, Knox, Evans, Kenrich, KBD.

1) Doncic
***
2) JJJ
3) Trae
***
4) Ayton
***
5) Jontay
6) Zhaire
7) Bagley
8) MPJ
9) Bamba
10) Miles
************
11) WCJ
12) Mikal
13) Shai
14) Williams
15) Okogie
16) Shake
17) Shamet
18) Troy Brown
19) Knox
20) Jacob Evans
21) Keita Bates-Diop
**************
22) Kenrich
23) Khyri
24) Sexton
25) Mitchell Robinson
26) Justin Jackson (MD)
27) Lonnie Walker
28) Musa
29) Alkins
30) Carsen Edwards

Moved Zhaire to #6 and Bagley up to 7. Added a bunch of dudes to round out the first round.

EvanZ wrote:.

Got Zhaire on there twice, #6 and #14

eminence wrote:

EvanZ wrote:.

Got Zhaire on there twice, #6 and #14

Whoops thanks! Fixed it and added 1 more to the board.

Interesting take, what makes you rate JJJ so highly and Ayton so low?

Same with Jontay Porter, Miles and Zhaire Smith in tier 3?

Spens1 wrote:Interesting take, what makes you rate JJJ so highly and Ayton so low?

Same with Jontay Porter, Miles and Zhaire Smith in tier 3?

It's all about a mix of talent/skill level/age/bbiq/mentality. The guys I like tend to have a lot of these things together.

Adding Omari Spellman. Flipped Brown and Shake. Moved Shake down a tier.

R1
1) Doncic
***
2) JJJ
3) Trae
***
4) Ayton
***
5) Jontay
6) Zhaire
7) Bagley
8) MPJ
9) Bamba
10) Miles
************
11) WCJ
12) Mikal
13) Shai
14) Williams
***********
15) Okogie
16) Troy Brown
17) Shamet
18) Knox
19) Jacob Evans
20) Keita Bates-Diop
21) Omari Spellman
**************
22) Shake
23) Kenrich
24) Khyri
25) Sexton
26) Mitchell Robinson
27) Justin Jackson (MD)
28) Lonnie Walker
29) Musa
30) Alkins

R2
31) Carsen Edwards

Moved Bagley ahead of Jontay/Zhaire. Moved Bob Williams up a tier ahead of WCJ. Added some more R2 guys. Added Huerter at 22.

R1
1) Doncic
***
2) JJJ
3) Trae
***
4) Ayton
***
5) Bagley
6) Jontay
7) Zhaire
8) MPJ
9) Bamba
10) Miles
11) Williams
************
12) WCJ
13) Mikal
14) Shai
***********
15) Okogie
16) Troy Brown
17) Shamet
18) Knox
19) Jacob Evans
20) Keita Bates-Diop
21) Omari Spellman
22) Huerter
**************
23) Shake
24) Kenrich
25) Khyri
26) Sexton
27) Mitchell Robinson
**************
28) Sagaba Konate
29) Lonnie Walker
30) Jarred Vanderbilt

R2
31) Alkins
32) Musa
33) Jalen Brunson
34) Grayson Allen
35) Donte DiVincenzo
36) Chandler Hutchison
37) Carsen Edwards
38) Tony Carr
39) Malik Newman
40) Gary Trent Jr
41) Trevon Duval
42) Justin Jackson (MD)

Not where I'd have a lot of the guys but hey, it's all opinion at this point. Definitely love that it's different.

You're sleeping on Shake man.

E-Balla wrote:You're sleeping on Shake man.

I'm not sleeping on him. I actively decided he's not as good as I was thinking. So there's that.

EvanZ wrote:

E-Balla wrote:You're sleeping on Shake man.

I'm not sleeping on him. I actively decided he's not as good as I was thinking. So there's that.

Mind if I ask why? I know he's not athletic but he's long (pause) and smooth.