clyde 2020 draft stuff

[clyde21]

yes sir and final one

So you don't even do a whole big board? Just 18 guys you like?

yup, just guys that I feel strongly about, like their archetype, and can see them playing roles in the NBA in some capacity, i'd have a sleeper list too if I were a real GM of guys not on my board that would be available later

i think if u talk to NBA GMs i doubt any of them have 60 player big boards to be honest

i go a little deeper on my positional rankings but on a big board once you go down enough it gets harder and harder to differentiate...like what's the difference between 35th and 36th ranked prospect? probably nothing other than what position they play.

[getrichordie]

yes sir and final one

So you don't even do a whole big board? Just 18 guys you like?

yup, just guys that I feel strongly about, like their archetype, and can see them playing roles in the NBA in some capacity, i'd have a sleeper list too if I were a real GM of guys not on my board that would be available later

i think if u talk to NBA GMs i doubt any of them have 60 player big boards to be honest

i go a little deeper on my positional rankings but on a big board once you go down enough it gets harder and harder to differentiate...like what's the difference between 35th and 36th ranked prospect? probably nothing other than what position they play.

There's no telling. I know if I was in charge of running a (multi) billion dollar organization, I would be thorough and the top 60 players ranked and some UDFAs I'm looking at bringing in and developing.

[Stillwater]

^Orgs do not have 60 player bbs...this late in the process They have top 3-5 prospects at every position and top 5 of specialist type role players or development based 2nd rounders.
Once draft order is in place lottery teams will have a list for only as many picks as they have ahead of theirs with maybe 3 wildcards they still have questions about that could move them into that upper range . Well at least the orgs that dont wait until the last minute to run scouts out to tournament settings which of course dont exist thus time around.
I bet other than a few sleepers that outperformed expectations in college the majority of picks will be the ones that were highly recruited pre college

[getrichordie]

^Orgs do not have 60 player bbs...this late in the process They have top 3-5 prospects at every position and top 5 of specialist type role players or development based 2nd rounders.
Once draft order is in place lottery teams will have a list for only as many picks as they have ahead of theirs with maybe 3 wildcards they still have questions about that could move them into that upper range . Well at least the orgs that dont wait until the last minute to run scouts out to tournament settings which of course dont exist thus time around.
I bet other than a few sleepers that outperformed expectations in college the majority of picks will be the ones that were highly recruited pre college

How do you know Orgs so well?

[clyde21]

So you don't even do a whole big board? Just 18 guys you like?

yup, just guys that I feel strongly about, like their archetype, and can see them playing roles in the NBA in some capacity, i'd have a sleeper list too if I were a real GM of guys not on my board that would be available later

i think if u talk to NBA GMs i doubt any of them have 60 player big boards to be honest

i go a little deeper on my positional rankings but on a big board once you go down enough it gets harder and harder to differentiate...like what's the difference between 35th and 36th ranked prospect? probably nothing other than what position they play.

There's no telling. I know if I was in charge of running a (multi) billion dollar organization, I would be thorough and the top 60 players ranked and some UDFAs I'm looking at bringing in and developing.

just what i've heard/read about, I know in the NFL for sure they don't, for example the 49ers had 18 players this year ranked as first rounders, and then redraw their board after every round depending on how it falls

you can go deep on your positional rankings, but like I said, you go down far enough on your big board and the variance between players is too slim to even bother ranking, it becomes much more about archetype and positional fits.

[getrichordie]

yup, just guys that I feel strongly about, like their archetype, and can see them playing roles in the NBA in some capacity, i'd have a sleeper list too if I were a real GM of guys not on my board that would be available later

i think if u talk to NBA GMs i doubt any of them have 60 player big boards to be honest

i go a little deeper on my positional rankings but on a big board once you go down enough it gets harder and harder to differentiate...like what's the difference between 35th and 36th ranked prospect? probably nothing other than what position they play.

There's no telling. I know if I was in charge of running a (multi) billion dollar organization, I would be thorough and the top 60 players ranked and some UDFAs I'm looking at bringing in and developing.

just what i've heard/read about, I know in the NFL for sure they don't, for example the 49ers had 18 players this year ranked as first rounders, and then redraw their board after every round depending on how it falls

you can go deep on your positional rankings, but like I said, you go down far enough on your big board and the variance between players is too slim to even bother ranking, it becomes much more about archetype and positional fits.

What is the point of re-drawing the board every round?

[clyde21]

There's no telling. I know if I was in charge of running a (multi) billion dollar organization, I would be thorough and the top 60 players ranked and some UDFAs I'm looking at bringing in and developing.

just what i've heard/read about, I know in the NFL for sure they don't, for example the 49ers had 18 players this year ranked as first rounders, and then redraw their board after every round depending on how it falls

you can go deep on your positional rankings, but like I said, you go down far enough on your big board and the variance between players is too slim to even bother ranking, it becomes much more about archetype and positional fits.

What is the point of re-drawing the board every round?

because it's gonna look different after the draft, players you had going 2nd might go 1st and vice versa

[getrichordie]

just what i've heard/read about, I know in the NFL for sure they don't, for example the 49ers had 18 players this year ranked as first rounders, and then redraw their board after every round depending on how it falls

you can go deep on your positional rankings, but like I said, you go down far enough on your big board and the variance between players is too slim to even bother ranking, it becomes much more about archetype and positional fits.

What is the point of re-drawing the board every round?

because it's gonna look different after the draft, players you had going 2nd might go 1st and vice versa

But you are talking about re-drawing the board during the draft, not after. I'm confused.

[clyde21]

What is the point of re-drawing the board every round?

because it's gonna look different after the draft, players you had going 2nd might go 1st and vice versa

But you are talking about re-drawing the board during the draft, not after. I'm confused.

i'm talking about GMs redrawing their boards after every round

they will do an UDFA board too after the draft

[getrichordie]

because it's gonna look different after the draft, players you had going 2nd might go 1st and vice versa

But you are talking about re-drawing the board during the draft, not after. I'm confused.

i'm talking about GMs redrawing their boards after every round

they will do an UDFA board too after the draft

Right. I get that. But why? Why re-draw your board after every round? I don't see the point. Why not just cross off the players that were taken?

[clyde21]

But you are talking about re-drawing the board during the draft, not after. I'm confused.

i'm talking about GMs redrawing their boards after every round

they will do an UDFA board too after the draft

Right. I get that. But why? Why re-draw your board after every round? I don't see the point. Why not just cross off the players that were taken?

because ranking 60 players is completely pointless

[clyde21]

added 4th tier and updated positional rankings, no changes after this.

[stormi]

Thoughts on RJ Hampton?

And how would you rank him compared to the SG's of recent years

[clyde21]

Thoughts on RJ Hampton?

And how would you rank him compared to the SG's of recent years

tier 1 with Onyeka for me, has outstanding combo guard potential in the NBA, plays on and off, has a 3 level scoring game, love his movements and speed

i'd put him in same range as Barrett last yr for sure.

[stormi]

Is your point guard big board updated?

[bwgood77]

Thoughts on RJ Hampton?

And how would you rank him compared to the SG's of recent years

tier 1 with Onyeka for me, has outstanding combo guard potential in the NBA, plays on and off, has a 3 level scoring game, love his movements and speed

i'd put him in same range as Barrett last yr for sure.

Tell me why you like RJ Hampton so much. If he could shoot, he'd look really good. His steal rate is very high, he is a great rebounder, great passer for a SG, and even decent at blocking shots for that size. But his shot is really bad...40% overall, under 30% from 3, which is similar in some ways to Maxey, though Maxey has a solid FT% which bodes well for improving his shot. Hampton is a bad FT shooter too. Shooting is very important at the guard position in today's game.

What makes you overlook the shooting enough to put him in a 2 player tier 1?

[clyde21]

Thoughts on RJ Hampton?

And how would you rank him compared to the SG's of recent years

tier 1 with Onyeka for me, has outstanding combo guard potential in the NBA, plays on and off, has a 3 level scoring game, love his movements and speed

i'd put him in same range as Barrett last yr for sure.

Tell me why you like RJ Hampton so much. If he could shoot, he'd look really good. His steal rate is very high, he is a great rebounder, great passer for a SG, and even decent at blocking shots for that size. But his shot is really bad...40% overall, under 30% from 3, which is similar in some ways to Maxey, though Maxey has a solid FT% which bodes well for improving his shot. Hampton is a bad FT shooter too. Shooting is very important at the guard position in today's game.

What makes you overlook the shooting enough to put him in a 2 player tier 1?

he has amazing movement skills, can get to any spot he wants easily with the ball, handle is there, good baseline as a playmaker, little wasted motion when he moves, has the ability to score on all three levels and plays and in full or half-court sets, can slash off-ball as well as run offense so he can play next to a traditional PG or be one for long stretches

i also think he's a better shooter than the #s showcase, mechanics are fine, has an off-dribble and spot-up game, just needs to improve his decision making with the ball which I believe will come in time

but yes, if you don't believe in him as a shooter long term then I can def understand having him lower, but I like the overall package and from everything I've read and heard from him and about him he seems like a super hard worker who'll continue to get better imo

[clyde21]

Is your point guard big board updated?

yes, except take Butler out bc he's returning.

[clyde21]

updated big board, only doing a top 10 now, 3 tiers, after that it becomes muddy and team/position-dependent imo, not a lot of difference between the guys from that point and some of the guys you can find later in the first.

positional rankings updated too.

[EvanZ]

1. R.J. HAMPTON
2. ONYEKA OKONGWU

3. DEVIN VASSELL
4. TYRESE HALIBURTON
5. ANTHONY EDWARDS

6. COLE ANTHONY
7. TYRESE MAXEY
8. JOSH GREEN
9. KIRA LEWIS JR.
10. JAMES WISEMAN
11. TYLER BEY
12. ISAAC OKORO

Not having LaMelo Ball in your top 12...not sure how you ever recover from this.