EvanZ 2020 Big Board

[EvanZ]

Ok, time to get started with some kind of lottery board.

Tier 1

1. Anthony Edwards
2. Tyrese Haliburton
3. James Wiseman

Tier 2

1. Killian Hayes
2. Nico Mannion
3. LaMelo Ball
4. Onyeka Okongwu
5. Cole Anthony
6. Patrick Williams

Tier 3

1. Devon Dotson
2. Tre Jones
3. Tyrese Maxey
4. Jahmi'us Ramsey
5. Tyrell Terry

[EvanZ]

I should probably have Okoro in there maybe even Tier 2


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[eminence]

Haliburton QB1

[EvanZ]

Added a few guys to my Tier 3 and created a Tier 4.

Tier 1 (1-3)

• Anthony Edwards
• Tyrese Haliburton
• James Wiseman

Tier 2 (4-9)

• Killian Hayes
• Nico Mannion
• LaMelo Ball
• Onyeka Okongwu
• Cole Anthony
• Patrick Williams

Tier 3 (10-20)

• Devon Dotson
• Tre Jones
• Tyrese Maxey
• Jahmi'us Ramsey
• Tyrell Terry
• Isaac Okoro
• Deni Avdija
• Killian Tillie
• Trayce Jackson-Davis
• Jeremiah Robinson-Earl
• Jaden McDaniels

Tier 4

(21-59)

• Tyler Bey
• Jared Butler
• Josh Green
• Miles McBride
• DeAndre Williams
• Joel Ayayi
• Xavier Tillman
• Precious Achiuwa
• Vernon Carey
• Oscar Tshiebwe
• Zeke Nnaji
• Devin Vassell
• Daniel Oturu
• Saddiq Bey
• Obi Toppin
• Aaron Nesmith
• Jalen Smith
• Ashton Hagans
• Nate Hinton
• Isaiah Stewart
• Paul Reed
• Skylar Mays
• Tres Tinkle
• Scottie Lewis
• Cassius Stanley
• Matthew Hurt
• Robert Woodard
• Emmitt Williams
• Jordan Nwora
• Grant Riller
• Cassius Winston
• Mason Jones
• DJ Jeffries
• Lester Quinones
• Isaac Likekele
• Kaleb Wesson
• Desmond Bane
• Matt Bradley
• Haarms

[clyde21]

don't see RJ Hampton

also we vary a lot on Green/Lewis/Big O

[EvanZ]

don't see RJ Hampton

also we vary a lot on Green/Lewis/Big O

There's a bunch of internationals I just haven't watched at all, including Hampton.

Only 3 guys we differ on? I'd call that a win. Where do you have those guys?

[clyde21]

don't see RJ Hampton

also we vary a lot on Green/Lewis/Big O

There's a bunch of internationals I just haven't watched at all, including Hampton.

Only 3 guys we differ on? I'd call that a win. Where do you have those guys?

no a bunch more (a lot we agree on too) but these are the major ones

Green/Lewis/Big O are all in my t1 along with Edwards and Hampton

[EvanZ]

Been a while. Quite a lot of movement lately. Order within tiers not so important so don't bother asking me why I have one guy higher or lower than another guy in the same tier.

Tier 1

• Edwards

Tier 2

• Okongwu
• Kira
• LaMelo
• Cole

Tier 3

• Tyrese Haliburton
• James Wiseman
• Patrick Williams
• Obi Toppin
• Tyrese Maxey
• Jahmi'us Ramsey
• Tyrell Terry
• Deni Avdija
• TJD
• Killian Hayes

Tier 4

• Devin Vassell
• Josh Green
• Tre Jones
• Jared Butler
• Jalen Smith
• Precious Achiuwa
• Zeke Nnaji
• Saddiq Bey
• Aaron Nesmith
• Dotson
• Okoro
• Mannion
• Jaden
• JRE
• Tillie
• Grant Riller
• Terrence Shannon Jr
• James Bouknight
• DJ Carton
• Miles McBride

Tier 5

• Tyler Bey
• Xavier Tillman
• Vernon Carey
• Daniel Oturu
• DeAndre Williams
• Isaiah Stewart
• Matthew Hurt
• Nate Hinton
• Skylar Mays
• Tres Tinkle
• Scottie Lewis
• Cassius Stanley
• Robert Woodard
• Emmitt Williams
• Jordan Nwora
• Cassius Winston
• Mason Jones
• DJ Jeffries
• Isaac Likekele
• Kaleb Wesson
• Matt Bradley
• Desmond Bane
• Haarms
• Lester Quinones
• Jalen Harris (Nevada)
• Paul Reed
• Ashton Hagans
• Joel Ayayi
• Malachi Flynn
• Marcus Zegarowski
• Colbey Ross
• David Duke
• Brady Manek
• Markus Howard
• Payton Pritchard
• Nick Richards
• Will Richardson
• Chris Duarte
• Reggie Perry
• Kessler Edwards
• CJ Elleby
• Keyontae Johnson
• Joe Wieskamp
• Immanuel Quickley
• Jalen Pickett
• Filip Petrusev
• DeVante Jones
• Darius Days
• Luka Garza
• Anthony Cowan Jr
• Elijah Hughes
• Kristian Doolittle
• Udoka Azubuike
• Myles Powell
• Ty-Shon Alexander

[nolang1]

I think I’m settling on Edwards as my #1, but I’m not ready to say he’s on a different tier (which to me means I wouldn’t trade a future 1st to move up from like 5 to 1). Just can’t shake the feeling he’s going to be one of those guys who looks like an MVP candidate on the right night but just stinks it up every 5-10 games.

I’m pretty similar to you but more flattened out where the top tier would be the first 7 names you have listed plus Hayes (I think guys like Wiseman, Haliburton, and even Ball to some extent have a lot to gain in workouts if they take advantage of their longer offseason to really work on their shot and get their bodies right). Other than that, I’d be comfortable with Vassell in the tier above (he’s a young sophomore, just a month older than Terry, is much more impactful than his teammate Williams, and and I’d be comfortable taking him over any of the bigs in that tier).

If tier 5 is just guys who can stick around in the NBA, I’d have Markus Howard and Jay Huff in there even if they’re more experienced and might not have a ton of upside.

Edit: also missing Pokusevski. He’s borderline lottery to me

[EvanZ]

Oh yeah I will have Markus Howard in Tier 5. Forgot to put him in this update but absolutely. Also, just realized I don’t have Pritchard who should also be in tier 5.

EDIT: Ok added a few guys to Tier 5. Eventually I'll need to split Tier 5 into two tiers.

• Markus Howard
• Payton Pritchard
• Nick Richards
• Will Richardson
• Chris Duarte
• Reggie Perry
• Kessler Edwards
• CJ Elleby
• Keyontae Johnson
• Joe Wieskamp
• Immanuel Quickley
• Jalen Pickett
• Filip Petrusev
• DeVante Jones
• Darius Days
• Luka Garza
• Anthony Cowan Jr
• Elijah Hughes
• Kristian Doolittle
• Udoka Azubuike
• Myles Powell
• Ty-Shon Alexander

[tidho]

nice to see you have Obi rising.

Also watching the migration of Patrick Williams and Devin Vassell. Still not sold on Vassell?

[EvanZ]

nice to see you have Obi rising.

Also watching the migration of Patrick Williams and Devin Vassell. Still not sold on Vassell?

If Vassell was 200 or 210 instead of 180 I'd probably be sold. He's on the border of Tier 3, so it's possible I move him up. Just haven't got there quite yet.

[EvanZ]

Been about a month. Some more significant movement:

Tier 1

• Edwards

Tier 2

• PatWill
• Kira
• LaMelo

Tier 3

• Killian Hayes
• Haliburton
• Cole
• Okongwu
• Wiseman
• Obi Toppin

Tier 4

• Pojusevski
• Avdija
• Devin Vassell
• Maxey
• Ramsey
• Josh Green
• Tillie
• Okoro
• Jaden
• JRE

Tier 5

• Jalen Smith
• Precious Achiuwa
• Zeke Nnaji
• Saddiq Bey
• Aaron Nesmith
• Jared Butler
• Tre Jones
• Dotson
• Mannion
• Grant Riller

Tier 6

• CJ Elleby
• Tyler Bey
• Xavier Tillman
• Vernon Carey
• Daniel Oturu
• DeAndre Williams
• Isaiah Stewart
• Matthew Hurt
• Nate Hinton
• Skylar Mays
• Tres Tinkle
• Scottie Lewis
• Cassius Stanley
• Robert Woodard
• Emmitt Williams
• Jordan Nwora
• Jalen Harris (Nevada)
• Lester Quinones
• Will Richardson
• Keyontae Johnson
• Paul Reed
• Mason Jones
• Malachi Flynn
• Marcus Zegarowski
• Payton Pritchard
• Colbey Ross

Tier 7

• Cassius Winston
• DJ Jeffries
• Isaac Likekele
• Kaleb Wesson
• Matt Bradley
• Desmond Bane
• Haarms
• Ashton Hagans
• Joel Ayayi
• David Duke
• Brady Manek
• Markus Howard
• Nick Richards
• Chris Duarte
• Reggie Perry
• Kessler Edwards
• Ty-Shon Alexander
• Joe Wieskamp
• Immanuel Quickley
• Jalen Pickett
• Filip Petrusev
• DeVante Jones
• Darius Days
• Luka Garza
• Anthony Cowan Jr
• Elijah Hughes
• Kristian Doolittle
• Udoka Azubuike
• Myles Powell
• Isaiah Joe

[getrichordie]

No Tyrell Terry? Shocked to see you so high on Kira and Flynn. Also, a little surprised to see Toppin over Vassell given Toppin’s defensive liabilities and weak competition and Vassell’s 3&D+ size and skill set...

[EvanZ]

No Tyrell Terry? Shocked to see you so high on Kira and Flynn. Also, a little surprised to see Toppin over Vassell given Toppin’s defensive liabilities and weak competition and Vassell’s 3&D+ size and skill set...

So when I did this board I took Terry out because I had heard he was returning. But yeah I have Terry at 11 if he stays in.

I may be moving Obi down a tier.

[getrichordie]

No Tyrell Terry? Shocked to see you so high on Kira and Flynn. Also, a little surprised to see Toppin over Vassell given Toppin’s defensive liabilities and weak competition and Vassell’s 3&D+ size and skill set...

So when I did this board I took Terry out because I had heard he was returning. But yeah I have Terry at 11 if he stays in.

I may be moving Obi down a tier.

I wholeheartedly agree with moving Obi down. Don’t think his game translates super well to NBA at all. I think people have this vision of Obi stuck in their mind where he’s going to be able to put up 15-20 a night in the NBA and I think he’s going to be closer to averaging 10-12 and is going to be relegated to small ball 5 duties and floor-spacing 4 duties.

Anyways, you are saying you are super high on Terry? You have him as the 11th BPA?

[EvanZ]

Anyways, you are saying you are super high on Terry? You have him as the 11th BPA?

Yeah right now. I've been on the Terry train since early November. Saw him live 4 times at Stanford. Big fan.

[EvanZ]

Tier 1

Tier 2

• Edwards

Tier 3

• LaMelo
• Kira

Tier 4

• Hayes
• Williams
• Haliburton
• Vassell
• Okongwu
• Wiseman
• Toppin
• Terry
• Poku

Tier 5

• Cole
• Deni
• Green
• Okoro
• Maxey
• McDaniels
• Maledon
• Tillie
• Ramsey
• Jalen Smith
• Nnaji
• Bey
• Woodard
• Precious
• Tillman
• Perry
• Nesmith
• Carey
• Riller
• Butler
• Jalen Harris
• Skylar Mays
• Bane
• Bolmaro
• RJ Hampton
• Stewart
• Reed

Tier 6

• Bey
• Elleby
• Chris Smith
• Nico
• Dotson
• Tre Jones
• Oturu
• Azubuike
• Winston
• Quickley
• Ty-Shon Alexander
• Petty
• Isaiah Joe
• Watford
• Tinkle
• Emmitt Williams
• Flynn
• Nwora
• Cassius Stanley
• DeAndre Williams
• Payton Pritchard
• Mason Jones
• Nate Hinton
• Elijah Hughes
• Markus Howard
• Myles Powell
• Kristian Doolittle
• Lamar Stevens
• Cowan Jr
• Markell Johnson
• Christian Vital
• Nick Richards

[clyde21]

way too low on Butler, Maxey, Joe, Jones, Hampton, Bolmaro

also if that is Tyler Bey in t6 way too low on him too

[EvanZ]

way too low on Butler, Maxey, Joe, Jones, Hampton, Bolmaro

also if that is Tyler Bey in t6 way too low on him too

Everyone you just listed is pretty meh to me. I'm not worried about missing out on any of them.