GRODBoard 2020 (second to last update!)

[getrichordie]

Added FT% for some prospects from past 2 years if freshman/international. If more than 1 year in NCAA, I added career FT%s. Used AAU/high school #s for freshman.

[aguiar95]

Updated. Added positional rankings. Tweaked some rankings based on new information.

positional rankings

guards

Spoiler:

1. hayes
2. ball
3. hampton
4. lewis jr.
5. anthony
6. maledon
7. maxey
8. riller
9. bolmaro
10. flynn
11. dotson
12. dosunmu
13. lee
14. winston
15. bane
16. jones
17. crutcher
18. butler
19. howard
20. harris
21. merrill

wings

Spoiler:

1. edwards
2. vassell
3. haliburton
4. avdija
5. okoro
6. nesmith
7. green
8. mcdaniels
9. ramsey
10. hinton
11. woodard II
12. kispert
13. scrubb
14. elleby
15. hughes
16. queen

4s

Spoiler:

1. pokusevski
2. toppin
3. williams
4. reed
5. s. bey
6. eboua
7. tillie

5s

Spoiler:

1. wiseman
2. okongwu
3. smith
4. achiuwa
5. stewart
6. tillman sr.
7. carey jr.
8. oturu
9. perry
10. richards
11. nnaji
12. azubuike
13. gill

Where is T. Bey?

Is your list what should be an OKC Big Board?

Who would you have them drafting at 25?

[getrichordie]

Updated. Added positional rankings. Tweaked some rankings based on new information.

positional rankings

guards

Spoiler:

1. hayes
2. ball
3. hampton
4. lewis jr.
5. anthony
6. maledon
7. maxey
8. riller
9. bolmaro
10. flynn
11. dotson
12. dosunmu
13. lee
14. winston
15. bane
16. jones
17. crutcher
18. butler
19. howard
20. harris
21. merrill

wings

Spoiler:

1. edwards
2. vassell
3. haliburton
4. avdija
5. okoro
6. nesmith
7. green
8. mcdaniels
9. ramsey
10. hinton
11. woodard II
12. kispert
13. scrubb
14. elleby
15. hughes
16. queen

4s

Spoiler:

1. pokusevski
2. toppin
3. williams
4. reed
5. s. bey
6. eboua
7. tillie

5s

Spoiler:

1. wiseman
2. okongwu
3. smith
4. achiuwa
5. stewart
6. tillman sr.
7. carey jr.
8. oturu
9. perry
10. richards
11. nnaji
12. azubuike
13. gill

Where is T. Bey?

Is your list what should be an OKC Big Board?

Who would you have them drafting at 25?

These are outdated and no not OKC big board but I will work on one

[getrichordie]

NICK RICHARDS KENTUCKY

basics
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height — 6'11"
wingspan — 7'5"
reach — ~9'2"


notes [sources: Uefara; The Athletic; Bart Tovik; misc.]
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• v. top 143 competition (22 g.p.): 20.6 USG (roleplayer); 66.9 TS% (great); 1.0 AST% (UK didn't ask him to pass); 15.7 TOV% (somewhat bad); 8.1 BLK% (above average); 66.3 FTr (very good); 40 dunks (good); >75.0 FT% (very good); 43.0 FAR2% (good); 82.0 @RIM%

• Per Synergy Sports, graded as very good or excellent in transition, half-court, when cutting, when posting up, and on put-backs off of offensive rebounds.

• Overall, Richards ranked in the 98th percentile offensively, scoring 431 points on 367 shooting possessions (1.174 PPP), shooting 63.9 percent on field goals.

• Explosive leaping ability and above average length has helped him block shots in volume, though his rebounding leaves something to be desired (per Uefara)

• Has impressed with his nimbleness guarding pick-and-rolls above the line and might be an option to pick up smaller players on switches (per Uefara)

• Is nimble to show-and-recover at the three-point line, preventing the ball-handler from turning the corner right away off the pick

• Quick leaper off two feet + has a nine-foot-two standing reach = if engaged and well positioned, should be able to make lots of plays on the ball

• Has impressed with his short-area quickness stepping up to stop a drive, forcing the drop-off and then turning around to contest an attempt by his man at the dunker spot

• Hasn’t yet developed the ability to make preventive rotations and discourage dribble drivers from taking it all the way to the rim

• Prone to bite on shot fakes

• Quick instincts chasing the ball off the rim but so-so attentiveness to his boxout responsibilities, resulting in him collecting 18.2% of opponents’ misses when he’s been on the floor this season

• Holds his ground in post defense and guards with his arms up near the rim

[getrichordie]

Updated. Still toying with 55-60, but the rest is pretty much locked in until new and significant information prompts a change.

[getrichordie]

point guard prospects rankings

killian hayes
lamelo ball
cole anthony
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grant riller
theo maledon
kira lewis jr.
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r.j. hampton
jalen crutcher
tyrell terry
leandro bolmaro
tre jones
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malachi flynn
ayo dosunmu
joel ayayi
christian vital
devon dotson
nico mannion
jared butler

[getrichordie]

wing prospects rankings

deni avdija
anthony edwards
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isaac okoro
devin vassell
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tyrese haliburton
aaron nesmith
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leandro bolmaro
jahmi'us ramsey
josh green
jaden mcdaniels
robert woodard ii
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jay scrubb
abdoulaye n'doye
elijah hughes
chris smith
trevelin queen
kristian doolittle
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nate hinton
matt mitchell
desmond bane
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corey kispert
immanuel quickley

[getrichordie]

4s prospects rankings

deni avdija
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obi toppin
aleksej pokusevski
paul reed
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patrick williams
saddiq bey
tyler bey
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chris smith
kristian doolittle

[getrichordie]

5s prospects rankings

james wiseman
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onyeka okongwu
zeke nnaji
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jalen smith
precious achiuwa
xavier tillman
daniel oturu
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killian tillie
vernon carey jr.
isaiah stewart
nick richards
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udoka azubuike

[Goldbum]

As a prospect Toppin feels like a Thomas Robinson level bust to me. I dontbthink his game translates well at all. I remember the year T-Rob came into the league some people trumpeting him as some sort future super star, a guy who could dominate on both ends and the boards. Then we see that nobody in the NBA fell for his spin move and he didn't have what it takes to put it all together

[getrichordie]

Updated. Moved to Google Sheets for readability, additional data.

[nolang1]

Ramsey really seems low to me. There really aren’t many players in this draft who put up numbers on a winning team at his age, and he clearly has an NBA frame + athleticism.

[getrichordie]

Ramsey really seems low to me. There really aren’t many players in this draft who put up numbers on a winning team at his age, and he clearly has an NBA frame + athleticism.

Duly noted. To be fair I was really high on Ramsey at one point. I had him in the lottery.

But I've taken a step back because I've realized there are valid concerns about his BBIQ and vertical explosiveness. If you watch his tape, you will find him missing a lot of bunnies and missing defensive assignments as well as taking low IQ shots. On top of that, his FT% isn't great which and that's a strong indicator of an individual's impact at next level more times than not. Overall, we could be looking at another McLemore.

[RiotPunch]

Isaiah Joe at 71 is indefensible to me, despite legitimate frame/strength concerns.

G Drive format is sick though, bruh.

[getrichordie]

Isaiah Joe at 71 is indefensible to me, despite legitimate frame/strength concerns.

G Drive format is sick though, bruh.

Thanks, man.

Yeah, I used to be pretty high on Joe, but he hasn't shown improvement in way of strength or ability to get to the basket which is concerning to me. He's a small wing. Word on the street is that he's closer to 165, not 180. I see him as an Alex Abrines type with a little bit better defense.

FWIW, me and Vecenie actually agree on him as a prospect (72 on his board) and he hears a lot more than I do and has been doing this longer.

[nolang1]

Ramsey really seems low to me. There really aren’t many players in this draft who put up numbers on a winning team at his age, and he clearly has an NBA frame + athleticism.

Duly noted. To be fair I was really high on Ramsey at one point. I had him in the lottery.

But I've taken a step back because I've realized there are valid concerns about his BBIQ and vertical explosiveness. If you watch his tape, you will find him missing a lot of bunnies and missing defensive assignments as well as taking low IQ shots. On top of that, his FT% isn't great which and that's a strong indicator of an individual's impact at next level more times than not. Overall, we could be looking at another McLemore.

Finishing, defense, and shot selection is the general pattern of weaknesses for like all the guards at the top of this draft, and Ramsey’s true shooting percentage is starting in a better place than Ball’s or Edwards’ or Anthony’s. As for defense, he obviously had the instincts and athleticsm to get steals and blocks and Texas Tech was top 10 in adjusted defensive efficiency with him playing big minutes as a young freshman, so he couldn’t have been screwing things up too badly. Not saying he should definitely be drafted ahead of Cole Anthony, but I’m having a hard time seeing why Anthony should be on an entirely different tier from him given their age difference.

Also Ben McLemore has had a really solid season and looked like a starting-caliber shooting guard this year. Hitting threes and having the strength/athleticism to not be a total liability on defense (and to be able to punish teams for hiding their smallest/worst defender on you) means you don’t need too much else to be able to contribute. McLemore’s season is particularly telling since the Rockets were able to create lots of opportunities with him setting a screen and either being a lob threat or a short roll playmaker. Someone like Lonnie Walker went 18th in a stronger draft, and I’m having a hard time seeing what advantages Walker would’ve had other than being a more highly-rated recruit going in.

I think he really does have a lot more potential to create his own offense if he tightens up his handle, but it seems like the main difference between my opinion and the consensus comes down to the old “free throw percentage is a better historical predictor of three-point percentage” heuristic. As a tiebreaker, sure, but I would consider Brandon Ingram a few years back as a good example of where if the sample of threes is bigger than the sample of FTs and there’s a significant variety of threes (aka not just making a bunch of catch-and-shoot threes from right on the college line), I’m going to bet on the three-point shooting to eventually come around.

[getrichordie]

Updated.

[EvanZ]

I see now why you didn't like my tiers comment. I mean what is the point of making 20 tiers? I don't get it.

I have 11 tiers. And it’s personally because I’m seeing some sort of separation in players in terms of talent and potential and projected NBA value. This is just my own personal analysis. I find this draft to be more nuanced so my tiers reflect that.

Also, while your here, please let me know if you see anything out of line on my board (besides the tiers) in terms of how I am valuing players. I’d love to discuss our difference in valuations.

I see you're down to 7 tiers.

Also moved up on Terry.

[getrichordie]

Updated. Link is in OP and down below.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KkMynKKlCIQw5_TnWXXC36ezj66UYPrBCxQFjIUwfko/edit

[getrichordie]

updated OP