clyde 2021 draft stuff

[MotownMadness]

updated rankings 1/11

moved Suggs to T2, even tho talent level belong in T1, some concerns for me in terms how his body is going to hold up long term. Moody moved to T2 as well.

Any concerns about Mobley in tier 1 yet? Sometimes it feels like he could be doing alot more but hes definitely a stud.

[clyde21]

updated rankings 1/11

moved Suggs to T2, even tho talent level belong in T1, some concerns for me in terms how his body is going to hold up long term. Moody moved to T2 as well.

Any concerns about Mobley in tier 1 yet? Sometimes it feels like he could be doing alot more but hes definitely a stud.

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[clyde21]

updated top 20 + positional rankings

[clyde21]

top25 updated, keep moving Green between T1 and T2, if he proves to me in the bubble he's not positionally locked at the 2 he's in T1 easy.

[clyde21]

top 22 updated, likely won't go deeper than the top 35, feel good about these tiers at this point. positional rankings updated as well. this should be it for a while.

[clyde21]

updated, needed to add JT to the rankings, few readjustments at the positional level, Franz #1 PF and in T2 now

[clyde21]

updated, big movement for Jackson and JT, both in the lotto for me now, in T3.

[clyde21]

4/3 update

convinced myself to put Evan #1, I know, archetypes and all, but Mobley to me is a special big prospect, quite possibly the best big prospect since AD (not including Zion), with a two-way game tailored for today's NBA as a modern big.

also moved Suggs/Cade into their own tier 2, which makes sense, really honestly it's a toss up between them at this point for me, Suggs off-ball game is better than Cade's which is why I gave him the nod over Cade, even tho I do have some concerns with Suggs' ability to stay healthy and durable long term.

tier 3 self explanatory, Green and Kuminga probably closer to T2 than the rest of the guys in T3, but wanted to keep Suggs/Cade on their own because of their archetypes at this point.

[clyde21]

updated bb and positionals, should be the last one before workouts/combine but even then not expecting too much to change.

[Hal14]

Curious if you're familiar with Vrenz Bleijenbergh and if he'd possibly be in the top 30?

Also, it looks like you have Boston a lot higher than most, Mitchell, Giddey and Sengun seem to be low...Butler and Springer seem higher than I've seen elsewhere.

Any reason for those?

[clyde21]

Curious if you're familiar with Vrenz Bleijenbergh and if he'd possibly be in the top 30?

Also, it looks like you have Boston a lot higher than most, Mitchell, Giddey and Sengun seem to be low...Butler and Springer seem higher than I've seen elsewhere.

Any reason for those?

i have BJ rated that high fully understanding how raw he is and low his floor is, I don't think he'll be a contributer early at all most likely, maybe even won't be in yr 2, he has a lot of development to do on his body and some peripheral skills like ball handling especially in when attacking the basket...but I think he has the chops of potentially being a legitimate 3-level scorer/creator in the NBA who won't be a net negative defending 1s/2s.

i think the rest seem to be pretty fair...Mitchell/Giddey/Sengun are in good spots for me, what's the argument for them that they should be higher? Mitchell/Giddey don't necessarily project as long term starters imo, more as 1st/2nd guards off the bench that can play specific roles at a high level. Sengun is stupid productive at his age and his footwork/general skill set at the 4/5 is impressive, but I question his scalability on D and I think he needs to continuously work on his body throughout his career to really maximize himself physically in the NBA. also not necessarily a premium archetype in the NBA.

[EvanZ]

Who do you want for the Warriors?

[clyde21]

Who do you want for the Warriors?

1-5: Cade/Mobley/Suggs/Green/Kuminga

6-10: Moody/Springer/Johnson/Wagner

14: Butler/Keon/Garuba/Kai


wouldn't mind trading #14 down for 2 of Houston's later picks too if that's available.

[EvanZ]

Most likely one of your 2nd tier (which is pretty much mine except I'd have Barnes instead of Springer that high) will be available at 14.

[clyde21]

first post combine update 6/27...will most likely be one of the final updates...4 tiers, 26 players confirmed 1st round for me...

positionals updated too...bolded are the 1st rounders.

[EMG518]

PGs:

1 Cade Cunningham
2 Jalen Suggs
3 Jaden Springer
4 Sharife Cooper
5 Jared Butler
6 Miles McBride
7 Josh Giddey
8 Davion Mitchell
9 Daishen Nix
10 Malcolm Cazalon

Giddey in the 2nd round?

[Hal14]

PGs:

1 Cade Cunningham
2 Jalen Suggs
3 Jaden Springer
4 Sharife Cooper
5 Jared Butler
6 Miles McBride
7 Josh Giddey
8 Davion Mitchell
9 Daishen Nix
10 Malcolm Cazalon

Giddey in the 2nd round?

Cazalon is definitely not a PG also..he's a wing

[clyde21]

PGs:

1 Cade Cunningham
2 Jalen Suggs
3 Jaden Springer
4 Sharife Cooper
5 Jared Butler
6 Miles McBride
7 Josh Giddey
8 Davion Mitchell
9 Daishen Nix
10 Malcolm Cazalon

Giddey in the 2nd round?

Cazalon is definitely not a PG also..he's a wing

not necessarily saying Giddey's a 2nd rnder, im just saying he's not a confirmed first for me, he's got decent tools overall and the size/playmaking is intriguing but at this point I think he's more a gadget guard off the bench for a team, kinda like what Livingston was for the Warriors in his latter years, but I am not even sure Giddey can be Liv on the defensive side either. intriguing profile overall but I am not sure he's got the scoring chops to be a dynamic scorer at any point and the passing solid but nothing out of the ordinary where you are sure he can be a starting PG on a good team, maybe in the future if things fall right for him.

as for Caz, he's not a wing to me, more of a combo guard than anything but I'd actually develop him as a secondary off-bench playmaker with size which is why I have him listed as a PG, would be open to moving him to the 2 but to me he's not a wing. he'll be defending guards mostly in the NBA.

[shakes0]

SGs:

1 Jalen Green
2 Moses Moody
3 Brandon Boston Jr.
4 Keon Johnson
5 James Bouknight
6 Ochai Agbaji
7 Josh Christopher
8 Joshua Primo
9 Joel Ayayi
10 Quentin Grimes

No Cam Thomas?

Grimes has taken quite a tumble from where you used to have him. I think at one point you had him as a high lotto pick. Even after he flamed out at Kansas you still had him in the lotto.

[clyde21]

SGs:

1 Jalen Green
2 Moses Moody
3 Brandon Boston Jr.
4 Keon Johnson
5 James Bouknight
6 Ochai Agbaji
7 Josh Christopher
8 Joshua Primo
9 Joel Ayayi
10 Quentin Grimes

No Cam Thomas?

Grimes has taken quite a tumble from where you used to have him. I think at one point you had him as a high lotto pick. Even after he flamed out at Kansas you still had him in the lotto.

Thomas is a pretty absurd scorer but doesn't really offer anything else, just an absolutely terrible passer and his assist rate for his usage as a guard is like historically bad...guards that can only score and not much else are really relegated to being bench scorers in today's NBA unless they are outliers there

yea, was hella high on Grimes, still high in some respects, but the dude has been annoyingly inconsistent his entire career, he'd fix one thing in his game and another thing would get worse, still doesn't have that connective tissue btw all his skills/tools to really be a consistent player...but if he does find it he's the prototypical CG in today's league and I am still a big Grimes guy overall

also this is just a really strong SG class overall, i really like Christopher and he's the 7th guy on SG rankings for example.