2009 NBA Mock - Post Lottery (UPDATED 5/24)

Villanova1L · Post #1 » by **Villanova1L** » Thu Apr 2, 2009 7:42 pm

Tough lottery for Sacto and Washington

1. LA Clippers - Blake Griffin PF Oklahoma (Semi-loaded front court, but can't pass on BPA)

2. Memphis Grizzlies - Ricky Rubio PG International (Not the best fit, but again BPA)

3. OKC - Hasheem Thabeet C UConn (Defensive Center anchors this team that already can score)

4. Sacramento - Brandon Jennings PG Italy (Would much rather take Rubio/Thabeet, but odds are they address biggest need w/ best fit for their style)

5. Washington - James Harden SG ASU (Shooting guard that can play off the ball with Gilber handling)

6. Minnesotta - Tyreke Evans PG/SG Memphis (BPA to me at this point and big PG to play w/ Foye)

7. Golden State - Jrue Holiday PG/SG UCLA (Guard of the future to pair in the backcourt with Ellis)

8. New York - Demar DeRozan SG USC (One of the best scorers and biggest upside players in the draft)

9. Toronto - Stephon Curry PG/SG Davidson (Sweetest stroke in the draft, can run point part time)

10. Milwaukee - Jordan Hill PF Arizona (Obviously lower than a lot of people have him, would make Villanueva expendable)

11. New Jersey - Terrence Williams G/F Louisvilile (Do it all guy who doesnt demand the ball to be affective, making him a good compliment for Carter/Harris)

12. Charlotte - Gerald Henderson SG Duke (SG the fans want so bad. Solid contributor for years to come)

13. Indiana - Earl Clark SF/PF Louisville (BPA here, can play 3 with Granger at 2 or help with athleticism at the 4 instead of Troy Murphy)

14. Phoenix - Jonny Flynn PG Syracuse (PG of the future who has ability to play in a variety of systems)

15. Detroit - BJ Mullens C Ohio State (Toughest pick to project, but I think he has biggest upside)

16. Chicago - DeJuan Blair PF Pittsburgh (Don't see the upside others do, but adds toughness to front court)

17. Philadelphia - Ty Lawson PG UNC (Biggest need and a player with a proven record)

18. Minnesota - Chase Budinger G/F Arizona (BPA although doesn't fit a need for Minnesota)

19. Atlanta - Eric Maynor PG VCU (Good size at PG and 4 year college player w/ good stats)

20. Utah - James Johnson F Wake Forest (BPA - Guy who can play the 3 and a backup 4 adds depth for Utah)

21. New Orleans - DaJuan Summers SF Georgetown (Really good size and build. Can contribute right away and was greatly under used at Georgetown in their system)

22. Dallas - Wayne Ellington SG/SF UNC (Can back up Terry or Howard and adds an outside shooter)

23. Sacramento - Austin Daye SF/PF Gonzaga (Would play the SF for them and they could go really big with Thompson/Hawes/Daye)

24. Portland - Gani Lawal PF Georgia Tech (If you told Portland they could get the backup PF they need in the 20's and it'd be Lawal when the season started they would have told you you're crazy.)

25. Oklahoma City - Jeff Teague PG/SG Wake Forest (Good scorer who can back up Westbrook or play the 2 if they go small)

26. Chicago - Sam Young SF Pittsburgh (Brings a lot to the table and takes nothing off it)

27. Memphis - Tyler Hansbrough PF UNC (Tough player who can play backup PF right away)

28. Minnesota - Omri Casspi SF Israel (True SF fills a position of need)

29. LA Lakers - Nando de Colo PG/SG France (Lakers could be looking for a player to keep in Europe for a few years. Should shine in Treviso and could play this year or play in a year or two.)

30. Cleveland - Marcus Thornton SG LSU (Can hit open jumpers and a good fit for them)

Cammo101 · Post #2 » by **Cammo101** » Thu Apr 2, 2009 7:48 pm

Patrick Patterson has already said he is returning to school.

Villanova1L · Post #3 » by **Villanova1L** » Thu Apr 2, 2009 7:54 pm

Cammo101 wrote:Patrick Patterson has already said he is returning to school.

Edited quickly to note this.

PeeDee · Post #4 » by **PeeDee** » Thu Apr 2, 2009 8:35 pm

Minnesota has Boston's pick and if Utah is really at #23, then they have that pick as well.

And where's Curry?

vincecarter4pres · Post #5 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Thu Apr 2, 2009 10:25 pm

Where is Maynor?!
Curry?

Summers has said he is returning to school as well.

Daunte Cunningham is not going 1st round.

Derozan?

No Terrence Williams???!!!!

Knicksfan1 · Post #6 » by **Knicksfan1** » Fri Apr 3, 2009 3:59 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:Where is Maynor?!
Curry?

Summers has said he is returning to school as well.

Daunte Cunningham is not going 1st round.

Derozan?

No Terrence Williams???!!!!

I remember espn said he was declaring

john2jer · Post #7 » by **john2jer** » Fri Apr 3, 2009 2:51 pm

Summers just declared.

Minnesota has Boston pick and Utah's pick if it's 23rd, which I think it's actually 21st.

Brandon Jennings is terrible for the Wolves.

Liqourish · Post #8 » by **Liqourish** » Fri Apr 3, 2009 5:18 pm

Pistons will not draft another undersized PF. Blair is 6'6" and really redundant when you look at the PFs on the Pistons. Detroit needs bigs, like big bigs. We'd take Craig Brackins and Jerome Jordan before Blair would be an option.

Post #9 » by **gswhoops** » Fri Apr 3, 2009 6:27 pm

I like the Clark pick for the Warriors. Given who's likely going to be available when we pick, I'd say Jennings would be #1, followed by Clark and Tyreke Evans

Post #10 » by **Ruzious** » Sat Apr 4, 2009 2:00 pm

john2jer wrote:Summers just declared.

Minnesota has Boston pick and Utah's pick if it's 23rd, which I think it's actually 21st.

Brandon Jennings is terrible for the Wolves.

And Summers is reportedly shopping for an agent. I don't know what he's thinking - coming off a very disappointing season.

Villanova1L · Post #11 » by **Villanova1L** » Sun Apr 5, 2009 2:43 pm

Last mock was done while in my M&A class, obviously there were some omissions, hopefully people like this one more.

Working under the assumption that the following players don't declare or remain in the draft:
Ricky Rubio
Steph Curry
Willie Warren
Greg Monroe
Johnny Flynn

Kings - Blake Griffin PF Oklahoma
Wizards - Hasheem Thabeet C UConn
Clippers - Jordan Hill PF Arizona
Grizzlies - James Harden SG Arizona State
Thunder - Gerald Henderson SG Duke
TWolves - Brandon Jennings PG Italy
Warriors - Earl Clark F Louisville
Raptors - Demar Derozan SG USC
Knicks - Tyreke Evans PG/SG Memphis
Nets - Terrence Williams SF Louisville
Pacers - Jeff Teague PG/SG Wake Forest
Bucks - Tywon Lawson PG UNC
Bobcats - Al-Farouq Aminu SF/PF Wake Forest
Suns - Eric Maynor PG VCU
Bulls - Chase Budinger SG/SF Arizona
Pistons - BJ Mullens C Ohio State
76ers - Wayne Ellington SF UNC
TWolves - James Johnson PF Wake Forest
Hawks - DaJuan Blair PF Pittsburgh
Mavericks - Jerome Jordan C Tulsa
Hornets - Darren Collison PG UCLA
Blazers - Omri Casspi SF Israel
Jazz - Jrue Holiday PG UCLA
Kings - Sam Young SF Pittsburgh
Bulls - Gani Lawal PF Georgia Tech
Thunder - Craig Brackins PF Iowa State
TWolves - Dionte Christmas SF Temple
Grizzlies - Damion James SF Texas
Lakers - Patty Mills PG St. Mary's
Cavs - AJ Price UConn

john2jer · Post #12 » by **john2jer** » Mon Apr 6, 2009 4:24 pm

Isn't Christmas listed as a mid-2nd round pick in most places? And Brandon Jennings for the Wolves? YUCK! This might be the worst possible scenario for the Wolves.

Assuming it goes the way you assume, the Wolves would be much happier with:
6. Ty Evans(Or DeRozan or Clark)
18. Jerome Jordan(or Holiday)
27. James or Mills.

How does Brackins fall all the way to 26?

Villanova1L · Post #13 » by **Villanova1L** » Tue Apr 7, 2009 12:15 am

john2jer wrote:Isn't Christmas listed as a mid-2nd round pick in most places? And Brandon Jennings for the Wolves? YUCK! This might be the worst possible scenario for the Wolves.

Assuming it goes the way you assume, the Wolves would be much happier with:
6. Ty Evans(Or DeRozan or Clark)
18. Jerome Jordan(or Holiday)
27. James or Mills.

How does Brackins fall all the way to 26?

Why do you like Evans so much more than Jennings? I think Jennings has a higher ceiling as a player.

Also a draft of Evans and Holiday wouldn't make a lot of sense.

I think Christmas a guy who will benefit from individual workouts when he goes against higher ranked guys and bottom of the first isn't that big of a jump from top/middle of second round.

john2jer · Post #14 » by **john2jer** » Tue Apr 7, 2009 4:45 pm

Because we lack size in the backcourt, our perimieter defense is horrible, and we need perimeter scoring. Jennings loves the nice flashy pass that'll get him on SportsCenter, but we don't have the flyers to go with that. Also his defense is horrible, and he's not much of an outside shooter. Basically his weaknesses are our weaknesses. No sense in making our team worse in those regards.

Evans adds size to our backcourt, allows Foye to guard the opposing PG while Evans guards the SG, and he brings added scoring to our perimeter by ebing able to attack the basket.

Guess I didn't write out exactly what I meant, but most likely it wouldn't be an Evans AND Holiday draft. Holiday would be in case we didn't get Evans. Although I'd be interested in seeing those two paired, as long as there's outside shooting from the SF and the bench.

Our biggest needs are a big PG and a center, and you completely ignored those biggest needs, even while there are options to fulfill those needs.

Villanova1L · Post #15 » by **Villanova1L** » Wed Apr 8, 2009 5:29 pm

john2jer wrote:Because we lack size in the backcourt, our perimieter defense is horrible, and we need perimeter scoring. Jennings loves the nice flashy pass that'll get him on SportsCenter, but we don't have the flyers to go with that. Also his defense is horrible, and he's not much of an outside shooter. Basically his weaknesses are our weaknesses. No sense in making our team worse in those regards.

Evans adds size to our backcourt, allows Foye to guard the opposing PG while Evans guards the SG, and he brings added scoring to our perimeter by ebing able to attack the basket.

Guess I didn't write out exactly what I meant, but most likely it wouldn't be an Evans AND Holiday draft. Holiday would be in case we didn't get Evans. Although I'd be interested in seeing those two paired, as long as there's outside shooting from the SF and the bench.

Our biggest needs are a big PG and a center, and you completely ignored those biggest needs, even while there are options to fulfill those needs.

Tyreke isn't exactly a fan of defense and is one of the most inconsistent shooters from the perimeter in this draft. I got to see him a good bit, and while I like him for his size and potential, I don't think he's a much better defender or much better shooter than Jennings. Both are below average defenders and try and score getting to the basket. If you'd rather have Tyreke for size and match up reasons with Foye that's understandable, but I don't think Jennings is that poor of an option, considering you need a starting PG (regardless of size).

Maybe you're better drafting size at 6 (Hill could slip down there, or Ed Davis if he comes out) and a guard like Holiday later (again not wild about his game from the outside either).

Discussions like this are useful, I'll be posting a new mock at the end of the week and will take into account what you've said

vincecarter4pres · Post #16 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Wed Apr 8, 2009 8:17 pm

I highly doubt Jrue declares and Ed Davis has already said he is going back to school.

Still no Curry?

john2jer · Post #17 » by **john2jer** » Wed Apr 8, 2009 10:17 pm

Why in the world would the Wolves want Hill or Davis, though? We're kinda loaded at the PG position, already. Foye can't guard most SGs in the league, he's better when he's defending PGs. That means we need a point who can defend SGs, that's where Evans comes in. His size at least gives him a chance.

Villanova1L · Post #18 » by **Villanova1L** » Thu Apr 9, 2009 5:46 pm

Alright - following guys are out: Steph Curry, Henderson, Ed Davis, Greg Monroe, Cole Alrdrich, Holiday, Jordan

Kings - Blake Griffin PF Oklahoma
Wizards - Ricky Rubio PG Europe
Clippers - Jordan Hill PF Arizona
Grizzlies - James Harden SG Arizona State
Thunder - Hasheem Thabeet C UConn
TWolves - Tyreke Evans G Memphis
Warriors - Earl Clark F Louisville
Raptors - Willie Warren G Oklahoma
Knicks - Jeff Teague PG Wake Forest
Nets - Terrence Williams SF Louisville
Pacers - Brandon Jennings PG Europe
Bucks - Jonny Flynn PG Syracuse
Bobcats - Al-Farouq Aminu SF/PF Wake Forest
Suns - Tywon Lawson PG UNC
Bulls - Demar DeRozan SG USC
Pistons - BJ Mullens C Ohio State
76ers - Wayne Ellington SF UNC
TWolves - James Johnson PF Wake Forest
Hawks - Craig Brackins SF Iowa State
Mavericks - Chase Budinger F Arizona
Hornets - Eric Maynor PG VCU
Blazers - Omri Casspi SF Israel
Jazz - Darren Collison UCLA
Kings - Sam Young SF Pittsburgh
Bulls - Gani Lawal PF Georgia Tech
Thunder - DaJuan Blair PF Pitt
TWolves - Dionte Christmas SF Temple
Grizzlies - Damion James SF Texas
Lakers - Patty Mills PG St. Mary's
Cavs - AJ Price UConn

Cammo101 · Post #19 » by **Cammo101** » Thu Apr 9, 2009 7:45 pm

Warren, Teague, Williams are way too high. The idea of Jeff Teague going ahead of Brandon Jennings is mindboggling.

john2jer · Post #20 » by **john2jer** » Thu Apr 9, 2009 7:46 pm

Don't like the Christmas pick. I understand the 27th pick isn't expected to be a major contributor, but it just seems a waste to draft an 11th swingman for our team. I'm intrigued by James Johnson, but isn't he more of a SF? Or will have to be in the NBA anyways?