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1. New Jersey Nets - PG John Wall, FR, Kentucky
2. Minnesota Timberwolves - PF Derrick Favors, FR, Georgia Tech
3. Chicago Bulls - C Cole Aldrich, JR, Kansas
4. Indiana Pacers - F/C Ed Davis, SO, North Carolina
5. Toronto Raptors - F/C Donatas Montiejunas, 1990, Benetton Treviso
6. Golden State Warriors - G/F Evan Turner, JR, Ohio State
7. Philadelphia 76ers - F Wesley Johnson, JR, Syracuse
8. Washington Wizards - G/F Xavier Henry, FR, Kansas
9. Memphis Grizzlies - G Willie Warren, SO, Oklahoma
10. Los Angeles Clippers - F Al-Farouq Aminu, SO, Wake Forest
11. New Orleans Hornets - PF Greg Monroe, SO, Georgetown
12. Sacramento Kings - F/C Larry Sanders, JR, Virginia Commonwealth
13. Milwaukee Bucks - PF Patrick Patterson, JR, Kentucky
14. Portland Trailblazers - PF Craig Brackins, JR, Iowa State
15. New York Knicks (to Utah) - F Ekpe Udoh, JR, Baylor
16. Detroit Pistons - C Solomon Alabi, SO, Florida State
17. Charlotte Bobcats (to Minnesota) - F Jan Vesely, 1990, KK Partizan Belgrade
18. Miami Heat - F Devin Ebanks, SO, West Virginia
19. Oklahoma City Thunder - PF Jarvis Varnado, SR, Mississippi State
20. Utah Jazz (to Minnesota) - SF Paul George, SO, Fresno State
21. Phoenix Suns (to Oklahoma City) - F Quincy Pondexter, SR, Washington
22. Houston Rockets - G/F Klay Thompson, SO, Washington State
23. San Antonio Spurs - F Stanley Robinson, SR, Connecticut
24. Denver Nuggets (to Memphis) - F/C DeMarcus Cousins, FR, Kentucky
25. Dallas Mavericks (to New Jersey) - PF Gani Lawal, JR, Georgia Tech
26. Cleveland Cavaliers - C Dexter Pittman, SR, Texas
27. Atlanta Hawks - C Jerome Jordan, SR, Tulsa
28. Orlando Magic - C Artsiom Parakhouski, SR, Radford
29. Los Angeles Lakers (to Memphis) - G Alexey Shved, 1988, CSKA Moscow
30. Boston Celtics - PF Charles Garcia, JR, Seattle

Discussion is welcomed and encouraged. Don't pay much attention to the draft order. Since the draft order is not set in stone I try to match player/team fits more than just best player available.

I got a feeling charles garcia is gonna fly up draft boards come draft day.

Another 29 and 13 night for him tonight, hit the game tying hoop and game winner free throws. All in 28 mins.

teamjosh04 wrote:5. Toronto Raptors - F/C Donatas Montiejunas, 1990, Benetton Treviso

If that happens, I would like you to kill me.

hotshotschamp wrote:I got a feeling charles garcia is gonna fly up draft boards come draft day.

Another 29 and 13 night for him tonight, hit the game tying hoop and game winner free throws. All in 28 mins.

Very possible once scouts get to see more of him - also possible the opposite happens. Personally, I think he has Lamar Odom to thank if he goes anywhere near the lottery. I haven't had the opportunity to see a lot of him (like everyone else), but he seems more like Andray Blatche with slightly better handles (which really shouldn't matter because neither of them have any business handling the ball much in the NBA). Problem is, he has Blatche's maturity and is only two years younger than him.

Boston would be one of the better places for him to end up. They use their D-League team effectively, have a strong core, have a history of developing bigs, and KG could be a big help to him. Also, its the kind of gamble Boston likes to take (see Walker, Giddens, etc.)

My earlier judgment on him isn't favorable, but I still have to see a lot more of him before I can get a real good feel on him. I mean, lets at least see if he can get through a D1 college season without any trouble.

wtfbosh wrote:

teamjosh04 wrote:5. Toronto Raptors - F/C Donatas Montiejunas, 1990, Benetton Treviso

If that happens, I would like you to kill me.

and understandably so...

I doubt you would be surprised though if Colangelo went that route

Could you please tell me what makes Cole Aldrich such an intriguing prospect to pick him in top-5?
From what I have seen from him he looks like a solid post defender (man-to-man and help-side shot blocker), has pretty good back-to-basket scoring skills and is great passer for a big guy, but I just don´t see an all-star in making in this guy..

Finn Man wrote:Could you please tell me what makes Cole Aldrich such an intriguing prospect to pick him in top-5?
From what I have seen from him he looks like a solid post defender (man-to-man and help-side shot blocker), has pretty good back-to-basket scoring skills and is great passer for a big guy, but I just don´t see an all-star in making in this guy..

All-star? Probably not. What most people see him as is a very solid player - think Joel Przybilla with a little more offensive game - thats the most common comparison. Centers are typically overvalued because its hard to find a good one and Aldrich is just another example of that.

Your scouting report is accurate. His offensive game is well-rounded but he doesn't do anything well enough to be a consistent 16ppg+ scorer in the NBA. Defensively, he's very solid and has the ability to block shots without fouling (nice wingspan). I've been slightly discouraged this year watching him go up against lengthy defenders like Keith Benson. Aldrich was able to get position and muscle him around but Benson's length really bothered him.

If Kansas makes it to the championship game, it is very hard to see him falling past #5.

He fared much better in his last two games though against two quality center prospects. He faced off against Parakhouski and held him to zero first half points. If you look at the boxscore, you can see that Parakhouski ended up with 21 points, but most of them came when Aldrich was on the bench in the second half. I will say that Parakhouski looked slightly taller - not necessarily longer though.

I haven't seen the LaSalle game (yet), but it looks like he dominated Murray. Granted, Murray is only a freshman, but he has a similar build to Benson.

teamjosh04 wrote:All-star? Probably not.

Well, I was referring to him being top-5 pick w/ that, because usually you look for that sort of talent with that high draft pick (usually).

think Joel Przybilla with a little more offensive game - thats the most common comparison

Yea, I that sounds like a great comparison!

Appreciate the appropriate answer!

Finn Man wrote:

teamjosh04 wrote:All-star? Probably not.

Well, I was referring to him being top-5 pick w/ that, because usually you look for that sort of talent with that high draft pick (usually).

think Joel Przybilla with a little more offensive game - thats the most common comparison

Yea, I that sounds like a great comparison!

Appreciate the appropriate answer!

can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not...but the truth is, teams reach on centers every year. An All-American center on the best team in the country with legit size is going to get a lot of love. Przybilla with a little more offense could find himself on an all-star team every now and then.

Personally though, there are other guys that I would rather have if I was picking in the top 5. Wall and Favors are obviously one and two - no exceptions. Then I'd put Ed Davis over Aldrich - better upside and less chance of a bust (imo). Then you have Johnson, Patterson, and Henry - all of whom have very complete offensive games that should translate into the NBA. Aminu is an enigma - you can start to fall in love with him, but then he doesn't something that makes you question him. His potential is very high though and he has shown enough effort and improvement lately that makes you feel certain that he is at least worth the risk of a top 10 pick. Finally, there is Turner and Aldrich. Great college players, but what is their upside...? I have my questions about that while also thinking they have more potential to bust than the other six I mentioned (besides Aminu).

What am I trying to say?
Aldrich isn't worth a top 5 pick. I don't dislike him as a prospect but the risk/reward isn't there. I didn't even think Thabeet was worthy of a top 10 selection last year though, so thats a step up for Aldrich. In general, I think center prospects are usually rated about 5 spots too high.

MY top ten as of now...

1. Wall
2. Favors
3. Davis
4,5,6 - Wesley Johnson, Henry, and Patterson in some order
7. Al-Farouq Aminu
8. Evan Turner
9. Willie Warren (can't resist his potential but if his team keeps losing, I'll have to drop him)
10. Cole Aldrich

teamjosh04 wrote:

Finn Man wrote:

teamjosh04 wrote:All-star? Probably not.

Well, I was referring to him being top-5 pick w/ that, because usually you look for that sort of talent with that high draft pick (usually).

think Joel Przybilla with a little more offensive game - thats the most common comparison

Yea, I that sounds like a great comparison!

Appreciate the appropriate answer!

can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not...but the truth is, teams reach on centers every year. An All-American center on the best team in the country with legit size is going to get a lot of love. Przybilla with a little more offense could find himself on an all-star team every now and then.

Personally though, there are other guys that I would rather have if I was picking in the top 5. Wall and Favors are obviously one and two - no exceptions. Then I'd put Ed Davis over Aldrich - better upside and less chance of a bust (imo). Then you have Johnson, Patterson, and Henry - all of whom have very complete offensive games that should translate into the NBA. Aminu is an enigma - you can start to fall in love with him, but then he doesn't something that makes you question him. His potential is very high though and he has shown enough effort and improvement lately that makes you feel certain that he is at least worth the risk of a top 10 pick. Finally, there is Turner and Aldrich. Great college players, but what is their upside...? I have my questions about that while also thinking they have more potential to bust than the other six I mentioned (besides Aminu).

What am I trying to say?
Aldrich isn't worth a top 5 pick. I don't dislike him as a prospect but the risk/reward isn't there. I didn't even think Thabeet was worthy of a top 10 selection last year though, so thats a step up for Aldrich. In general, I think center prospects are usually rated about 5 spots too high.

Well, this is what I thought you meant. No I am not being sarcastic, just trying to be nice-.-

teamjosh04 wrote:He fared much better in his last two games though against two quality center prospects. He faced off against Parakhouski and held him to zero first half points. If you look at the boxscore, you can see that Parakhouski ended up with 21 points, but most of them came when Aldrich was on the bench in the second half. I will say that Parakhouski looked slightly taller - not necessarily longer though.

I haven't seen the LaSalle game (yet), but it looks like he dominated Murray. Granted, Murray is only a freshman, but he has a similar build to Benson.

I saw the first half of the Radford-Kansas game and Kansas doubled Parakhouski on every catch in the post.

Sorry, if we end up picking there (Raptors) and we take Donatas I'd be destroyed inside. Plus we don't really need him, it gives us the same problems we currently have even if Bosh leaves.

MYoung23 wrote:

teamjosh04 wrote:He fared much better in his last two games though against two quality center prospects. He faced off against Parakhouski and held him to zero first half points. If you look at the boxscore, you can see that Parakhouski ended up with 21 points, but most of them came when Aldrich was on the bench in the second half. I will say that Parakhouski looked slightly taller - not necessarily longer though.

I haven't seen the LaSalle game (yet), but it looks like he dominated Murray. Granted, Murray is only a freshman, but he has a similar build to Benson.

I saw the first half of the Radford-Kansas game and Kansas doubled Parakhouski on every catch in the post.

They did, but they doubled him throughout most of the game. He managed to score when being doubled without Aldrich in, but not the other way around. Most bigs get help when a dominating big man gets the ball in the post (especially if you are facing a team like Radford who lacks any major threats at the guard position) - it makes little sense not to if he is their main scorer.

As an added note, Parakhouski did a poor job passing out of the double teams all game. I mean, he had some passes that were REALLY off. One thing about Aldrich is he pulls in rebounds over his head and looks for an outlet right away. He's good at starting the break.

My Top 45 Players (College Only)
1. John Wall, FR, Kentucky
2. Derrick Favors, FR, Georgia Tech
3. Ed Davis, SO, North Carolina
4. Evan Turner, JR, Ohio State
5. Al-Farouq Aminu, SO, Wake Forest
6. Xavier Henry, FR, Kansas
7. Cole Aldrich, JR, Kansas
8. Patricks Patterson, JR, Kentucky
9. Avery Bradley, FR, Texas
10. Greg Monroe, SO, Georgetown
11. Malcolm Lee, SO, UCLA
12. Wesley Johnson, JR, Syracuse
13. Ekpe Udoh, JR, Baylor
14. Willie Warren, SO, Oklahoma
15. Eric Bledsoe, FR, Kentucky
16. Solomon Alabi, SO, Florida State
17. DeMarcus Cousins, FR, Kentucky
18. Devin Ebanks, SO, West Virginia
19. Quincy Pondexter, SR, Washington
20. Jordan Hamilton, FR, Texas
21. Craig Brackins, JR, Iowa State
22. Terrico White, SO, Ole Miss
23. Larry Sanders, JR, VCU
24. Gordon Hayward, SO, Butler
25. Arnett Moultrie, SO, UTEP
26. Dexter Pittman, SR, Texas
27. Sherron Collins, SR, Kansas
28. Elliot Williams, SO, Memphis
29. Klay Thompson, SO, Washington State
30. Tyshawn Taylor, SO, Kansas
31. James Anderson, JR, Oklahoma State
32. Stanley Robinson, SR, UConn
33. Brandon Paul, FR, Illinois
34. JaMychal Green, SO, Alabama
35. Charles Garcia, JR, Seattle
36. Gani Lawal, JR, Georgia Tech
37. John Henson, FR, North Carolina
38. Jerome Jordan, SR, Tulsa
39. Jeff Taylor, SO, Vanderbilt
40. Trevor Booker, SR, Clemson
41. Paul George, SO, Fresno State
42. Chris Singleton, SO, Florida State
43. Keith Benson, JR, Oakland
44. Omar Samhan, SR, St. Mary's
45. Damion James, SR, Texas

1. New Jersey Nets - PG John Wall, FR, Kentucky
2. Minnesota Timberwolves - PF Derrick Favors, FR, Georgia Tech
3. Chicago Bulls - PF Ed Davis, SO, North Carolina
4. Golden State - G/F Evan Turner, JR, Ohio State
5. Indiana Pacers - C Cole Aldrich, JR, Kansas
6. Detroit Pistons - PF Patrick Patterson, JR, Kentucky
7. Los Angeles Clippers - SF Wesley Johnson, JR, Syracuse
8. Philadelphia 76ers - SG Xavier Henry, FR, Kansas
9. Washington Wizards - F Al-Farouq Aminu, SO, Wake Forest
10. New York Knicks (to Jazz) - F Devin Ebanks, SO, West Virginia
11. New Orleans Hornets - F/C Greg Monroe, SO, Georgetown
12. Sacramento Kings - PF Donatas Montiejunas, 1990, Benetton Treviso
13. Memphis Grizzlies - G Willie Warren, SO, Oklahoma
14. Oklahoma City Thunder - C Solomon Alabi, SO, Florida State
15. Milwaukee Bucks - G Avery Bradley, FR, Texas
16. Charlotte Bobcats (to Timberwolves) - F Jan Vesely, 1990, KK Partizan Belgrade
17. Toronto Raptors (to Heat) - F Stanley Robinson, SR, Connecticut
18. Houston Rockets - F Quincy Pondexter, SR, Washington
19. Utah Jazz (to Minnesota) - SF Paul George, SO, Fresno State
20. Miami Heat - F/C DeMarcus Cousins, FR, Kentucky
21. Portland Trailblazers - F/C Larry Sanders, JR, Virginia Commonwealth
22. Denver Nuggets (to Grizzlies) - PF Ekpe Udoh, JR, Baylor
23. Orlando Magic - G Malcolm Lee, SO, UCLA
24. Dallas Mavericks (to Nets) - PF Craig Brackins, JR, Iowa State
25. Phoenix Suns (to Thunder) - C Dexter Pittman, SR, Texas
26. San Antonio Spurs - SG Klay Thompson, SO, Washington State
27. Los Angeles Lakers (to Grizzlies) - PF Kevin Seraphin, 1989, Cholet
28. Boston Celtics - PF Charles Garcia, JR, Seattle
29. Cleveland Cavaliers - SF Gordon Hayward, SO, Butler
30. Atlanta Hawks - G Terrico White, SO, Ole Miss

Evan Turner should be higher than Ed Davis.

Pittman to the Suns is laughable.

Brackens won't be that low.

Pondexter too high.

Silver Man wrote:Evan Turner should be higher than Ed Davis.

Pittman to the Suns is laughable.

Brackens won't be that low.

Pondexter too high.

Evan Turner doesn't fit the Bulls well. He has a great midrange game but that is not what the Bulls are lacking. The Bulls actually lead the league in shots from 16-23 feet which is a big reason why their offense is so bad. They badly need a PF who can score at the rim and hit 15 ft jumpers and also wings who can space the floor with threes.

The Suns don't have a 1st round pick...it belongs to the Thunder. Pittman is a great character guy which is something the Thunder place an emphasis on. They can take a chance on Pittman and hope he can be a guy who can take up space in the paint and score in the low post - thats really what they are looking for in a center if they plan on playing Green at the 4.

Low upside + draft loaded with PFs - why isn't there a shot he slips to #26? He's a solid player but what you see is what you get. Similar to Collison last year - draft loaded with PGs so he went later than he should have. He wasn't as appealing to teams because they were enamored with PGs with higher upside like Teague, Jennings, and Curry.

Quincy Pondexter is a flat out beast. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if he went higher than 18. Best intangibles in the whole draft combined with excellent athleticism and a motor that doesn't stop running. The moment he steps onto the court in the NBA he will be a plus defender. He totally changed his shot and its starting to pay off - his midrange game is already showing signs of being good while its very easy to believe he can develop a three point shot with his work ethic. Solid handles too and the transition game in the NBA will play to another one of his strenghs. There isn't not much to like about this kid.

Also DX and Chad Ford both have Brackins ranked 24th. How is 26th a stretch especially considering the amount of PFs ahead of him? I'm certainly not only by having Brackins go mid-20s.

Oh and they also both have Pondexter rated higher than 18th. Again, it doesn't look like I'm the only one who likes Pondexter.