top fbb players this season

[KalElen]

in theory it's possible, but in practice it's very hard to draft a team dominant in 7 cats, at least in a competitive league(i'm not saying yours isn't)

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I'm actually trying to challenge that notion in a competitive 12-team, 9-cat roto league. I ended up with a team whose top players are currently Lebron, Duncan, Baron, J. Rich, and DHoward. You can probably guess that I have a '1' in FT% and a '2' in TOs (surprisingly enough, as I expected a '1' there too). I'm also averaging 11 or more in the other 7 categories and have been fluctuating around 80 to 82 points total for the past month, currently about 5-6 points ahead of the 2nd place team. (Side note: being a competitive, knowledgeable league, the key to how this team was assembled is that I drafted Howard in the 6th round and I traded KG for Lebron once I realized my FT% and TO's were messed up.)

[KalElen]

Fair, although I don't like Deron in the top-20 and Ginobili at 21. Manu's not going to have that true value in a league.

Josh Howard also deserves a bit more love IMO.

Ray Allen's a bit luck to be at 34 I'd also have to say.
Peja at 50 is far too high.
Gordon at 59 despite an awful season?
Korver at 86 is too high

See the pattern?
I know that 3PTM technically also contributes towards your points total, but I think too much emphasis has been placed on it.

it has been pointed out to me that my formula overvalues good %s and overpenalizes bad ones. j-how's main contributions come in pts and rebs which are the cheapest cats, in the most valuable ones he is unimpressive so i don't think he should be much higher. difference between west at 33 and jet at 46 is smaller then between paul at 1 and nash at 3 so it's clear that those positions can change preatty quickly and that all those players have very similar value.
peja is where he is because he is 2nd in 3s in the league, 1st in turnovers among top 80 players and 2nd among top 100 without hurting you in %s. turnovers are severly undervalued. peja is baisicly dominant in 2 cats (dominant as in josh smith for the blocks) with no major negatives. he contributes in 2 more cats(pts and ft%) and barely hurts fg%. also he is slightly above average in reb and stl(keep in mind that this is made with 400+ players included and that around 200 of those are crap as fas fantasy is concerned so they bring down averages very much). raja bell is mini peja.
for korver only post trade numbers are used so he should defenetly not be at 86th
gordon and allen get big part of their values from ft%(both shoot over 90%, gordon is ranked 6th and allen is 10th)) which is as i said earlier overvalued at this moment

[Stanford]

Peja isn't even averaging a TO per game this year. Crazy stuff.

[Young_Star11]

Fair call on Peja - he's actually a YS-type; as in one I'd most likely draft for my team - I didn't think he was playing that well.

[KalElen]

another obsevation: including bunch of scrubs who contribute to nothing but number of ranked players is messing with end results and allowing players who dominate certain cats to gain some additional value, so value of guys like j-smoove, camby(blocks), j-rich, peja, lewis(3s), cp3, baron(steals), nash(assists) is a little inflated, while value of good turnover guys(like marion and peja) is deflated(since all those scrubs don't turn the ball over)

[hamncheese]

another obsevation: including bunch of scrubs who contribute to nothing but number of ranked players is messing with end results and allowing players who dominate certain cats to gain some additional value, so value of guys like j-smoove, camby(blocks), j-rich, peja, lewis(3s), cp3, baron(steals), nash(assists) is a little inflated, while value of good turnover guys(like marion and peja) is deflated(since all those scrubs don't turn the ball over)

I'm curious as to how much the rankings change if you use a top 200 pool for your averages. Or rather, which players show the greatest change in value.

[KalElen]

i'm editing my excel file to reduce number of players, it will be posted soon. players most benefiting right now are those dominant in certain cats (such as camby and smoove in blk, j-rich and peja in 3s etc) because the more players with 0 averages there are the more valuable are their contributions. also low to guys(marion, peja) have their value reduced because bunch of those scrubs have less then .5 tos making them less remeakable
here's how i calculate scoring for cumulative stats, we'll take 5 players 2 cats system:
player a 2.5blk 25points_for_blk 3reb 6points_for_reb 25+6=31overall_score
player b 1.5blk 15points_for_blk 10reb 20points_for_reb 15+20=35overall_score
player c 0.5blk 5points_for_blk 5reb 10points_for_reb 5+10=15overall_score
player d 0.5blk 5points_for_blk 3reb 6points_for_reb 5+6=11overall_score
player e 0.0blk 0points_for_blk 4reb 8points_for_reb 0+8=8overall_score
total 5.0blk 50points_for_blk 25reb 50points_for_reb 100overall_score
points pre blk=50/5=10
points per reb=50/25=2
i hope this was clear enough. i think it was easier then trying to explain through words. every cat has same total of points which ensures that all cats are equal. tos are substructed from overall score since they are negative cat. both %s have same total as every cumulative cat, but i need to rework distribution of those points. as you can see there are no fixed weights, in an example above blk is worth 5 rebs, if you change player a's blocks to 0 then you have just 2.5 total so a blk is worth 10 rebs. it all depends on players included(site will allow you to choose number of players you want ranked)

[KalElen]

new reworked list. this isn't based on final version of th formula, but it's as close as it's possible in excel. there are still some issues, but upon first look i think that this one is much better. what do you guys say?
maybe i have deflated %s too much since top 4 all hurt you in at least one percentage without helping you in the other?

Player
1 camby,marcus
2 james,lebron
3 smith,josh
4 davis,baron
5 marion,shawn
6 paul,chris
7 bryant,kobe
8 stoudemire,amare
9 nash,steve
10 garnett,kevin
11 kaman,chris
12 butler,caron
13 billups,chauncey
14 ming,yao
15 richardson,jason
16 nowitzki,dirk
17 howard,dwight
18 kirilenko,andrei
19 ginobili,manu
20 iverson,allen
21 kidd,jason
22 wallace,rasheed
23 lewis,rashard
24 gay,rudy
25 bynum,andrew
26 wallace,gerald
27 duncan,tim
28 martin,kevin
29 pierce,paul
30 bosh,chris
31 iguodala,andre
32 granger,danny
33 turkoglu,hedo
34 williams,deron
35 artest,ron
36 redd,michael
37 jamison,antawn
38 calderon,jose
39 gasol,pau
40 allen,ray
41 miller,mike
42 wade,dwyane
43 dalembert,samuel
44 west,david
45 battier,shane
46 jefferson,al
47 dunleavy,mike
48 terry,jason
49 jackson,stephen
50 bell,raja
51 johnson,joe
52 miller,brad
53 boozer,carlos
54 stojakovic,peja
55 hill,grant
56 barbosa,leandro
57 howard,josh
58 carter,vince
59 o'neal,jermaine
60 williams,mo
61 crawford,jamal
62 mcgrady,tracy
63 okafor,emeka
64 hamilton,richard
65 harrington,al
66 roy,brandon
67 anthony,carmelo
68 gibson,daniel
69 ilgauskas,zydrun
70 biedrins,andris
71 bibby,mike
72 moon,jamario
73 tinsley,jamaal
74 bogut,andrew
75 gordon,ben
76 parker,anthony
77 durant,kevin
78 salmons,john
79 haywood,brendan
80 garcia,francisco
81 hinrich,kirk
82 carter,anthony
83 martin,kenyon
84 ellis,monta
85 chandler,tyson
86 harris,devin
87 maggette,corey
88 williams,jason
89 jefferson,richar
90 arenas,gilbert
91 aldridge,lamarcu
92 alston,rafer
93 thomas,kurt
94 wallace,ben
95 nocioni,andres
96 williams,sean
97 odom,lamar
98 jones,james
99 fisher,derek
100 thomas,tim
101 ford,t.j.
102 udrih,beno
103 williams,marvin
104 korver,kyle
105 mccants,rashad
106 bogans,keith
107 okur,mehmet
108 murphy,troy
109 horford,al
110 barnes,matt
111 blake,steve
112 brewer,ronnie
113 mobley,cuttino
114 mohammed,nazr
115 delfino,carlos
116 dampier,erick
117 collison,nick
118 farmar,jordan
119 deng,luol
120 kleiza,linas
121 webster,martell
122 felton,raymond
123 johnson,anthony
124 davis,ricky
125 house,eddie
126 parker,tony
127 stevenson,deshaw
128 childress,josh
129 nelson,jameer
130 mcdyess,antonio
131 outlaw,travis
132 daniels,antonio
133 navarro,juan_car
134 haslem,udonis
135 prince,tayshaun
136 barry,brent
137 jaric,marko
138 finley,michael
139 miller,andre
140 jianlian,yi
141 wright,dorell
142 cassell,sam
143 blatche,andray
144 rondo,rajon
145 peterson,morris
146 o'neal,shaquille
147 marbury,stephon
148 milicic,darko
149 varejao,anderson
150 robinson,nate
151 posey,james
152 gomes,ryan
153 szczerbiak,wally
154 azubuike,kelenna
155 telfair,sebastia
156 smith,j.r.
157 randolph,zach
158 watson,earl
159 wilcox,chris
160 hayes,chuck
161 maxiell,jason
162 lee,david
163 turiaf,ronny
164 hughes,larry
165 diop,desagana
166 gooden,drew
167 perkins,kendrick
168 najera,eduardo
169 smith,joe
170 rush,kareem
171 millsap,paul
172 przybilla,joel
173 conley,mike
174 wright,antoine
175 knight,brevin
176 stoudamire,damon
177 pietrus,mickael
178 foster,jeff
179 diaw,boris
180 mourning,alonzo
181 mason,roger
182 green,willie
183 carroll,matt
184 radmanovic,vladi
185 lowry,kyle
186 williams,louis
187 nachbar,bostjan
188 jackson,bobby
189 jack,jarrett
190 walton,luke
191 walker,antoine
192 bonner,matt
193 oberto,fabricio
194 head,luther
195 bass,brandon
196 richardson,quent
197 moore,mikki
198 bargnani,andrea
199 quinn,chris
200 mason,desmond
201 cook,daequan
202 thomas,tyrus
203 villanueva,charl
204 wells,bonzi
205 kapono,jason
206 williams,shawne
207 miles,c.j.
208 duhon,chris
209 bell,charlie
210 noah,joakim
211 ridnour,luke
212 arroyo,carlos
213 lue,tyronn
214 west,delonte
215 simmons,bobby
216 hilario,nene
217 daniels,marquis
218 hayes,jarvis
219 smith,craig
220 pargo,jannero
221 scola,luis
222 udoka,ime
223 nesterovic,rasho
224 james,mike
225 brown,kwame
226 thornton,al
227 green,jeff
228 allen,tony
229 diener,travis
230 petro,johan
231 brewer,corey
232 harpring,matt
233 young,thaddeus
234 curry,eddy
235 mcinnis,jeff
236 boone,josh
237 sefolosha,thabo
238 balkman,renaldo
239 barea,jose_juan
240 law,acie
241 evans,reggie
242 blount,mark
243 pachulia,zaza

[Young_Star11]

Don't like it for some reason

[Stanford]

Chris Bosh should be higher than 30. With the ammount of high % free throws he shoots, he should at least be in the top 20.

Like YS, I don't like it (but I can't put my finger on why).

[hamncheese]

Yeah, I agree. Something is off and I think like KalElen mentioned it has to do with how the %s are factored in the rankings. That's Josh Smith's biggest weakness and he's made it to #4. It would also explain Dwight Howard at #17 and JRich at #15 for the season. I assume that the analysis is done over the course of the season as JRich's %s over the past month have been better (around 44 fg%, 85 ft%) compared to the season (43 fg%, 74 ft%).

[KalElen]

i realize that my formula isn't as good in assesing the %s as i originally thought and that i need to work on it some more, but i'm defently on the right track. thanks to everyone who took the time to respond