5th pick in draft? need a lil help help!!!

thiva101 · Post #1 » by **thiva101** » Sat Oct 2, 2010 9:42 pm

so lets say lbj,kd,cp3 go as the first three.
it is h2h and 10 man league.
who would be best pick at the 5th spot?
i want to choose curry but seem very risky as the first pick
curry, deron, wade or d12?
any suggestion would help

rocketsballin · Post #2 » by **rocketsballin** » Sun Oct 3, 2010 4:14 am

i wouldnt say curry's a risk. warriors traded 7 key rotation players last season. even tho those 7 players were either in and out of the lineup or signed on the team during the season. but so was most everyone on that team. i think since they lost those 7 players they're gonna need Curry, Lee, and Ellis (bierdrins if he's healthy) to put up the same numbers as last season. they dont have a lot of depth now, and there's a huge difference between the 3rd best scorer and the 4th. u can say he's a risk if everyone healthy, but i dont hink his numbers will change. plus he's only a one year pro with a ROY-like rookie season.

if u wanna tank fts get dwight.

if u wanna safe pick get deron, wade, or kobe

dont get granger or gasol

FantasyMVP · Post #3 » by **FantasyMVP** » Sun Oct 3, 2010 4:46 pm

As usual I agree with roxfashoballin.

It depends which way you want to go. Curry is the pick if you want to bank on potential. Otherwise it's the usual suspects with Deron, Wade, Kobe, Dirk etc. I'd probably grab Deron out of the bunch.

thiva101 · Post #4 » by **thiva101** » Sun Oct 3, 2010 9:26 pm

yee i agree with you about picking up deron early.
He does seem much safer with boozer and co leaving for chic.
But his turnovers really jump out at me. 3.3 seems pretty high
I like the idea of roxfashoballin of choosing d12.
probably make up for his lack of ft% and assists maybe with my 2nd round pick.
thanks guys for your help

rocketsballin · Post #5 » by **rocketsballin** » Sun Oct 3, 2010 9:36 pm

nah man, dont try to save ur ft% if you get dwight. he literally kills that stat. dwight is a good first round pick only if you're tanking ft%.

Reginald Wayne · Post #6 » by **Reginald Wayne** » Mon Oct 4, 2010 1:47 am

I'd go with Dirk. You know he's gonna give you awesome scoring, percentages, boards, and even a few threes without hurting you in any category.

I think Dwight is good for a H2H league. You're pretty much gonna win rebounds and blocks with him, and only lose ft%.

thiva101 · Post #7 » by **thiva101** » Mon Oct 4, 2010 2:31 am

i get what u getting at with dirk with his all around stats.
i know he finishes in like the top 10 in stats almost every year.
but at his age dont u think his stat would dip a little from what he had last year.
Even though dirk is the man on his team, his team does have alot of fire power.
i think deron would be better since he is younger and will have to do more work?
i have it down to deron,dirk or d-12 now
decisions decisions decisions!!!!!!!

JahReid · Post #8 » by **JahReid** » Mon Oct 4, 2010 4:45 am

I would take either Deron or Dwight

AussieBuck · Post #9 » by **AussieBuck** » Mon Oct 4, 2010 10:41 am

Taking Howard without a very good FT% tanking strategy and some luck is not a good idea and he certainly won't go near winning you anything on his own. Granger is the man here.

thiva101 · Post #10 » by **thiva101** » Mon Oct 4, 2010 1:33 pm

granger? seriously
i know he gets threes and all, but he is injury prone and has a bad shooting%
what kind of strategy do i need for dwight?

rpa · Post #11 » by **rpa** » Mon Oct 4, 2010 7:00 pm

If the rest of the people in your league are knowledgable I'd stay away from Dwight. The problem with taking Dwight is that everyone knows EXACTLY who you're going to draft with each pick and they can really screw up your team.

Also, IMO your 1st round pick should always be a safe choice. Never swing for the fences and pick a guy like Granger--when there's a 70% chance (or greater) he'll miss significant time and kill your team. Grab a guy like Dirk (you know what you're getting with him) and then use your 2nd pick to determine whether to punt blocks, assists, or 3s.

AussieBuck · Post #12 » by **AussieBuck** » Tue Oct 5, 2010 1:31 am

Granger isn't injury prone just because he's missed some games in the last 2 seasons and yes he's absolutely elite. Massive threes and very good in points, steals, FT%. The only major downside is FG% and he's nowhere near as damaging in that stat as Howard is to FT%.

rpa · Post #13 » by **rpa** » Tue Oct 5, 2010 5:19 pm

AussieBuck wrote:Granger isn't injury prone just because he's missed some games in the last 2 seasons and yes he's absolutely elite. Massive threes and very good in points, steals, FT%. The only major downside is FG% and he's nowhere near as damaging in that stat as Howard is to FT%.

But if you're punting a category it doesn't matter how negative the stat is because it's irrelevant. And the problem with comparing Dwight & Granger is that Dwight DOMINATES 3 categories (FG%, rebounds, & blocks) whereas Granger might dominate 1 (3pm). In H2H it's all about pinpointing your strengths and weaknesses and pushing those strengths to the point where no one can beat you in them. It's very hard to do that with Granger because he has 1 big negative but contributes across the board everywhere else.

AussieBuck · Post #14 » by **AussieBuck** » Wed Oct 6, 2010 9:52 am

rpa wrote:
AussieBuck wrote:Granger isn't injury prone just because he's missed some games in the last 2 seasons and yes he's absolutely elite. Massive threes and very good in points, steals, FT%. The only major downside is FG% and he's nowhere near as damaging in that stat as Howard is to FT%.

But if you're punting a category it doesn't matter how negative the stat is because it's irrelevant. And the problem with comparing Dwight & Granger is that Dwight DOMINATES 3 categories (FG%, rebounds, & blocks) whereas Granger might dominate 1 (3pm). In H2H it's all about pinpointing your strengths and weaknesses and pushing those strengths to the point where no one can beat you in them. It's very hard to do that with Granger because he has 1 big negative but contributes across the board everywhere else.

Granger is the much better overall player. Howard is bad to horrible in 4 cats and around average in two others. Camby in round 4 is much better value if you are besotted with boards and blocks rather than wasting a first rounder on the most overrated guy in fantasy basketball.

rpa · Post #15 » by **rpa** » Wed Oct 6, 2010 4:51 pm

AussieBuck wrote:Granger is the much better overall player. Howard is bad to horrible in 4 cats and around average in two others. Camby in round 4 is much better value if you are besotted with boards and blocks rather than wasting a first rounder on the most overrated guy in fantasy basketball.

What you're describing makes Granger better for Roto--because he doesn't give you a 1 in any single cat and helps you somewhat everywhere else--but it's also the reason why he's not as good as Howard when it comes to H2H. The easiest way to win H2H is to dominate a few stats, be competitive in others, and punt 1 or 2. Never has a team won any H2H league I've been in by using a balanced approach.

So I'll put it this way: take out Dwight's 1 killer cat and he's a top 5 rated player. Choose to punt/ignore turnovers and suddenly Dwight jumps up into the top 3. Take away Granger's worst 2 cats and he doesn't jump up the rankings all that much because neither is as negative as Dwight's 2 bad cats.

In roto, I completely agree with you: Granger's far more valuable than Howard. But in H2H? Howard's far more valuable (assuming that the person isn't making the mistake of using a balanced approach)

cochiseuofm · Post #16 » by **cochiseuofm** » Wed Oct 6, 2010 5:01 pm

Yeah you're wrong Aussie, I have Dwight Howard in a keeper league and my team is always in the running at the end because I paired him with Josh Smith, and others, and always dominate boards, blocks, steals, and FG%.

http://basketballmonster.com/PlayerRankings.aspx

Use the site above to check. If you remove FT% and Turnovers as categories in the League Settings, the rankings change so Dwight is 2nd best, behind only LeBron (whose numbers are going to change in Miami most likely.) You're punting FT% and Turnovers every week, but as long as you build your team right you have a better chance of winning the other categories.

deepthighbruise · Post #17 » by **deepthighbruise** » Thu Oct 7, 2010 4:12 am

cochiseuofm wrote:Yeah you're wrong Aussie, I have Dwight Howard in a keeper league and my team is always in the running at the end because I paired him with Josh Smith, and others, and always dominate boards, blocks, steals, and FG%.

http://basketballmonster.com/PlayerRankings.aspx

Use the site above to check. If you remove FT% and Turnovers as categories in the League Settings, the rankings change so Dwight is 2nd best, behind only LeBron (whose numbers are going to change in Miami most likely.) You're punting FT% and Turnovers every week, but as long as you build your team right you have a better chance of winning the other categories.

I, too, have Dwight in a fantasy league (h2h keeper) and have realized every year how easy it is to re-up with Dwight, considering you're set in three categories and can focus from there.

I've had Granger for two years in another, and honestly, he's been a pain in my ass.

AussieBuck · Post #18 » by **AussieBuck** » Thu Oct 7, 2010 5:22 am

Right you just have to tank 2 of 9 cats from the start to make Howard better. That's just super, you guys are totally overrating the differences between roto and H2H.

deepthighbruise · Post #19 » by **deepthighbruise** » Thu Oct 7, 2010 10:20 am

AussieBuck wrote:Right you just have to tank 2 of 9 cats from the start to make Howard better. That's just super, you guys are totally overrating the differences between roto and H2H.

Well, it's simple math...if you need 5/9 to win, and Howard gives you a great opportunity to win 3 of those cats, and you have to sacrifice two...it's just easier. With Granger I feel like you need a whole team who's solid or a whole team of specialists to make him better.

AussieBuck · Post #20 » by **AussieBuck** » Thu Oct 7, 2010 11:15 am

deepthighbruise wrote:
AussieBuck wrote:Right you just have to tank 2 of 9 cats from the start to make Howard better. That's just super, you guys are totally overrating the differences between roto and H2H.

Well, it's simple math...if you need 5/9 to win, and Howard gives you a great opportunity to win 3 of those cats, and you have to sacrifice two...it's just easier. With Granger I feel like you need a whole team who's solid or a whole team of specialists to make him better.

It really isn't. He helps you in FG%, rebounds and blocks but the idea that gets thrown around that he 'wins you cats on his own' is just stupid. Simple math says that the help he gets you in FG% is less than negative effect of him hitting no threes for example. He isn't even above average in 5 cats FFS. Building a team with Granger as your first pick isn't radically different to starting with Durant. They are simple to work with because they are great multi-cat players.