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Sleepers List
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:14 am
by TekOPP
Wanted to start a list of players to look at from 6th to 12th round as possible break outs this season.
List your potential sleepers
Re: Sleepers List
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:46 am
by Busch Legion
Gerald Henderson
Demar Derozan
Jeff Teague
Evan Turner
Re: Sleepers List
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:54 am
by Kirsten19
DeRozan, Cousins, D.Collison, Matthews, Dudley, DeAndre Jordan, Toney Douglas(Billups left)
2nd last pick: Tyrus Thomas, Cassipi, Ricky Rubio
Last pick: Jeff Teague, Brandon Knight, Kendrik Perkins, Mozgov, Jerebko, Evan Turner, Glen Davis, Ben Gordon
Re: Sleepers List
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:15 pm
by Apathy
Depends on your definition of sleeper.
Boris Diaw: Classic example of jack-of-all-trades types being underrated; Top 75 value
Nicolas Batum: Trendy but for good reason; see above
Toney Douglas: Potential Top-50 value
Tony Allen: Ditto
Jason Terry: well-known but underrated, PG stats from SG position, particularly strong in TO leagues
Arron Afflalo: No idea why he's being slept on, his potential should be obvious
Marcus Thornton: self-explanatory?
Landry Fields: See Batum; Diaw
Ricky Rubio: great defender, passer, good spot-up shooter; up-tempo system; primary ball-handler I've gone full circle, from hating him to loving him
James Johnson: Will be a fantasy darling if his shooting improves; think he has Top-50 upside
Gordon Hayward: breakout potential on a team desperate for wing production
Budinger: PT, 3s, mid-teen points, on a fast-paced team
Maggette: a bit risky given his current ADP but high-teens points, elite FT% hard to find late
CJ Miles: contract year, still young, improved conditioning, PT for the taking
Gerald Henderson: really cheap for decent production, good bet for massive minutes
Jodie Meeks: 2+ 3pg if starting job sticks
Tyrus Thomas: will he ever stop fouling? bobcats desperate for frontcourt help
Bismack Biyombo: could be elite in blocks from the get-go if he can avoid foul trouble
Jared Dudley: run-of-the-mill athleticism caps upside but rugged defender, glue guy
Anderson Varejao: double-double potential, finally stopped fouling so much and is team's best defender so should see 30+ mpg
DeAndre Jordan: too trendy for my liking w/ Kaman still around but Chris Anderson-type
Jeff Teague:may not be cut out to start in the NBA but he gets a ton of steals and should see big minutes for at least the first month; could run with it if he shows improvement, still just 22
Re: Sleepers List
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:24 am
by Kirsten19
Kirsten19 wrote:DeRozan, Cousins, D.Collison, Matthews, Dudley, DeAndre Jordan, Toney Douglas(Billups left)
2nd last pick: Tyrus Thomas, Cassipi, Ricky Rubio
Last pick: Jeff Teague, Brandon Knight, Kendrik Perkins, Mozgov, Jerebko, Evan Turner, Glen Davis, Ben Gordon
DeRozan, Cousins, D.Collison, Matthews, Dudley, DeAndre Jordan, Toney Douglas(Billups left)
2nd last pick: Tyrus Thomas, Cassipi, Ricky Rubio, Fredette
Last pick: Jeff Teague, Brandon Knight, Kendrik Perkins, Mozgov, Jerebko, Evan Turner, Glen Davis, Ben Gordon
Re: Sleepers List
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:56 am
by Kirsten19
Can't take Rubio
1) His first season, he needa adapt
2) share minutes with Luke Ridnour and JJ Barea
3) He cannot SHOOT
Re: Sleepers List
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:15 pm
by Blasphemy
Jarret Jack!!!
NO's starting PG, he should put up Kyle Lowry numbers
Re: Sleepers List
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:06 pm
by Apathy
Kirsten19 wrote:3) He cannot SHOOT
he's a good spot-up shooter:
Rubio can knock down an open shot, hitting 40.5% of unguarded catch and shoot jumpers, but in just about any other situation, he struggles with his shot. When he is guarded, Rubio shoots just 18.5% and when he is shooting off of the dribble, he is shooting just 23.5%.
http://nbaplaybook.com/2011/06/20/overs ... cky-rubio/
Re: Sleepers List
Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:58 am
by Busch Legion
Rubio's been hitting his jumper in practice and scrimmage anyway.... get to see him in some pre season tomorrow, can't wait to see how he'll look.
Also I like Jack as well. I dropped Teague for him.
Re: Sleepers List
Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:48 pm
by Guy986
Still dont like Rubio. If he is playing for Don Nelson i like him but he's playing for Rick Adelman.
He wont have the ball in his hand and he can't shoot NBA 3. What is there to pick?
Re: Sleepers List
Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:51 pm
by Guy986
Jordan Hill is emerging as a viable fantasy player. Kevin Mchale loves him and singled him out as most impressive at camp. He's in a contract year and unless the Rockets sign Dalembert in the following days, he can pencil him at starting C for about 25-30mpg.
PER 36 minutes he put up some very good numbers. He can block some shot, rebound, score in the double digit on high FG%.
Re: Sleepers List
Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 3:04 am
by Busch Legion
Do you guys think with the Crawford signing that Batum kinda becomes irrelevant now? I'm pondering if I should drop him for someone like Verajao.
Re: Sleepers List
Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:42 am
by Kirsten19
Agree Jordan Hill
then Fredette n Brandon Knight n Haywood
Re: Sleepers List
Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 4:16 am
by Apathy
guarantee jordan hill will never see 30mpg in any universe. he will foul out before that happens
Re: Sleepers List
Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:16 pm
by Guy986
I have one golden rule when it comes to fantasy basketball.
If the coach likes you, i like you.
Doesn't matter how much talent you have. Doesn't matter how fantasy friendly said player's game is. If the coach doesn't put a player in a position to succeed or doesn't give em playing time (T-will, Anthony Randolph) there won't be fantasy impact.
Mchale LOVES Jordan Hill. Thats enough for me. Whatever he does with that opportunity is up to him.
Re: Sleepers List
Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:36 pm
by Apathy
that's all fine and dandy,
but young big men are notorious for being foul-happy. an undersized big man in a fast-paced tempo who already fouled a lot... how is he going to stay on the court? coaches are notoriously cautious with foul trouble.
chances are dalembert's gonna sign there anyway. he's the real sleeper.
Re: Sleepers List
Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:47 pm
by Guy986
Apathy wrote:that's all fine and dandy,
but young big men are notorious for being foul-happy. an undersized big man in a fast-paced tempo who already fouled a lot... how is he going to stay on the court? coaches are notoriously cautious with foul trouble.
chances are dalembert's gonna sign there anyway. he's the real sleeper.
Jordan Hill has 6 fouls. He can play 25-30 minutes. He averaged 5fouls per 36 minutes. Thats not great but he's not exactly Amir Johnson(who averaged over 6 fouls per 36 minutes). Why do you care if he fouls out in the 27th minutes. Mchale will play him as many minutes as he can handle. For a guy thats not expected to be drafted in a standard Fantasy draft(that was before the preseason game where he had 17/13), Jordan Hill represents tremendous value. His game is fantasy friendly.
But obviously if they sign Dalembert, its all moot. Hoever I dont expect the Rockets to sign him though.
Re: Sleepers List
Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 3:08 am
by Apathy
because if he's not getting 30mpg he's not going to be productive enough to quality as a sleeper in all but the deepest of leagues
sleeper is really a proxy for upside. hill has none of it
Re: Sleepers List
Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 3:18 am
by Kirsten19
Marcus Camby, Jerebko, Big Baby or Jordan Hill??
I wonder
My H2H Team:
PG) Westbrook, TyLawson
SG) Felton, Fredette
SF) Nick Young, Morrow
PF) Griffin, Bosh, Cousins
C) Bogut, Hibbert, Camby(or Hill?? or Ryan Anderson? or Big Baby??)
Re: Sleepers List
Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 3:42 am
by Guy986
Apathy wrote:because if he's not getting 30mpg he's not going to be productive enough to quality as a sleeper in all but the deepest of leagues
sleeper is really a proxy for upside. hill has none of it
And yet you think Rubio will get 30mpg coming off the bench in a 3PG rotation in Minnesota playing under a coach notorious for being strict with rookies?
