Trade Idea - Thoughts?

[msmoore66]

Looking to make a mid season trade.

League settings: 14 Teams, H2H, Std 9 Cat, 6 player keeper league. First season. 6 teams make playoffs.

I am currently sitting atop the league, but the top is close fought (5 wins separate 1st and 7th).

Am am wanting to make a move to start to control one of my more contested stats. The ones that I think I can maneuver into are 3's and Blocks. However I think blocks is more attainable.

Right now I am at the planning phase of a trade, just trying to see players that I think will help improve my stats. About half the league make good use of the trading block, and the following proposal I am thinking about making is made up of players from my team the opposing manager has expressed interest in.

Trade:

I trade: Jeremy Lin, Al Horford, Kawhi Leonard
He trades: John Wall, Nikola Vucevic, Eric Bledsoe

Now I expect him to reject initially, and I guess I would do it with out Leonard and Bledsoe as well. I am more wondering whether it is worth my pursuing. I see Vucci as being a better long term option than Horford for me and brings a few more blocks. Wall seems like a better option for blocks for me too.

My Team is:

Chris Paul
Jeremy Lin
Aaron Brooks
Kawhi Leonard
JJ Redick
Aaron Afflalo
Vince Carter
Chandler Parsons
Ed Davis
Al Horford
Zach Randolph
Emeka Okafor
Joakim Noah

IR:
AJ Price
Al Harrington

His team is:

Deron Williams
Eric Bledsoe
James Harden
Bradley Beal
Paul George
Dorell Wright
Danilo Gallinari
Patrick Patterson
Luis Scola
Zaza Pachulia
Tyler Zeller
Anrea Bargnani
Nikola Vucevic

IR:
John Wall
Andrew Bynum

[Apathy]

" I see Vucci as being a better long term option than Horford for me and brings a few more blocks."

Lol

Just propose it / e-mail him and go from there.

[msmoore66]

" I see Vucci as being a better long term option than Horford for me and brings a few more blocks."

Lol

Just propose it / e-mail him and go from there.

Yeah he responded and said it sounds tempting. He is going to have a further look at it.

Upon re reading my comment it does sound rather stupid. I guess what I feel is that Vucci is only going to continue to grow, and the only stats I am losing between him and Horford is really points and assists which I have bountiful amounts of already. Blocks really isn't too much of difference (I always seem to make up crap while im fantasizing about fantasy at work)

I guess the real bonus is Wall over Lin.

Oh and also I offered it to him without Leonard and Bledsoe. Can't decided on that swap, Leonard is better now, but I wonder if Bledsoe will get moved and flourish in a new location...

[sweet_jesus]

In a league that deep, I like the idea of obtaining Bledsoe in hopes of a change of scenery but I'm not sure Id want to do that at the cost of Leonard. You would think Bledsoe's value is much lower than that now. I'd offer someone else first.

[msmoore66]

Good point, thanks. The whole making a transaction based on the future due to it being a keeper league applies to Leonard as well I suppose, he may not be playing as well as I would like now, but all signs point to further improvement. Not really sure who else to offer though.... ideas?

He does want another PG, so maybe Price of Brooks but IMO he wouldn't be stupid enough to do that.

[Apathy]

Look, I liked Vuc's potential coming out of USC, and I had solid hopes for him last year and this year, but your perception is being thrown out of wack by a few good weeks.

He's a role-player. He's not some stud centerpiece in the making. He is too limited to ever pen in for 35+ minutes a game. Yes, he's a ferocious rebounder, but that's it. No pick-and-pop game (which was expected of him coming out of college) -- 36 and 35 percent from 16-23 feet so far. League-average at rim percentage. Not a good dive-man on the pick and roll.

He's a good sixth man or a limited starter.

Bledsoe is a great buy. He's certain to get traded once Paul re-ups. Last year I thought he was overrated but had major potential -- this year he's turned potential into reality. Absolute stud, 17-5-5 with two steals and a high FT rate once he gets control of a team. I live in LA so I've seen him throughout his pro career.

I wouldn't give up Lin. Horford is a huge catch in a keeper league. Wouldn't even bother acquiring Vucevic. Yeah, I don't really like this deal. Bledsoe is a good guy to target but otherwise you're overpaying like woah for potential. You're living in the future. Wall sucks sucks sucks. Good guy for fantasy since the Wiz are gonna live (die) with him, but long-term I'm not the least bit sold. In the short-term he's a FG/TO killer.

This trade does nothing for you. I think it kills your chances of competing this year and is a coin-flip for the future.

[msmoore66]

Look, I liked Vuc's potential coming out of USC, and I had solid hopes for him last year and this year, but your perception is being thrown out of wack by a few good weeks.

He's a role-player. He's not some stud centerpiece in the making. He is too limited to ever pen in for 35+ minutes a game. Yes, he's a ferocious rebounder, but that's it. No pick-and-pop game (which was expected of him coming out of college) -- 36 and 35 percent from 16-23 feet so far. League-average at rim percentage. Not a good dive-man on the pick and roll.

He's a good sixth man or a limited starter.

Bledsoe is a great buy. He's certain to get traded once Paul re-ups. Last year I thought he was overrated but had major potential -- this year he's turned potential into reality. Absolute stud, 17-5-5 with two steals and a high FT rate once he gets control of a team. I live in LA so I've seen him throughout his pro career.

I wouldn't give up Lin. Horford is a huge catch in a keeper league. Wouldn't even bother acquiring Vucevic. Yeah, I don't really like this deal. Bledsoe is a good guy to target but otherwise you're overpaying like woah for potential. You're living in the future. Wall sucks sucks sucks. Good guy for fantasy since the Wiz are gonna live (die) with him, but long-term I'm not the least bit sold. In the short-term he's a FG/TO killer.

This trade does nothing for you. I think it kills your chances of competing this year and is a coin-flip for the future.

Ok, thanks for the feedback. Interesting points to consider. I think you are right that I am getting won over by a short run of games from Vuc. To be fair he is becoming pretty consistent now, and has definitely started to toughen up a bit more.

So I'm taking from what you said that you think Lin is better than Wall? The idea of the trade for me was upgrade with Wall, downgrade with Vuc.

I think at the very least I will wait until closer till our deadline to consider any instances of the deal.

Perhaps just pursue Bledsoe, but that once again can probably wait till after the season (fantasy season) if it is going to cost too much.

Just out of interest, from my roster, what do you think would be a fair starting offer from me, ie tilted in my favor, for Bledsoe? I kind of feel like there is a gap of players in the area which is why I was reluctantly throwing Leonard into the mix.

EDIT: Upon saying that. I would be very keen to get a 2-1 trade for Bledsoe, I want to clear a roster spot for easier WW rotation.

[Apathy]

I think Lin is safer than Wall. Wall has more upside but more downside. I know my assessment of Wall isn't the most popular, but we're talking about a dude who's shot worse than 30% from any shot passed 16 feet, in significant sample sizes. At the rim he's well above-average for a PG. Absolutely awful everywhere else. A turnover machine.

Shooting isn't a skill easily acquired. Sure, he may get better -- how can he get worse? -- but I believe most people have Wall as this "somewhat likely, if not probable, to become an early second-rounder/late first rounder, with potential for even more if all breaks right" kind of a value in a keeper league. He will not come cheap, lemme tell ya. And he's coming off major injury.

The defensive stats are nice. The FT% helps a little -- it's only slightly above the fantasy average, so a few more % points would help a lot -- but it's worrying when almost half your shots come at the rim, you shoot 60% from there, and your FG% is still awful.

How does the keeper system work?

[TheToothFairy]

I dont like this trade for you although I like the players you are going after..

Bledsoe is the X Factor, LAC said they are not trading him because Paul has not signed an extention and they are keeping him for insurance.

[msmoore66]

I think Lin is safer than Wall. Wall has more upside but more downside. I know my assessment of Wall isn't the most popular, but we're talking about a dude who's shot worse than 30% from any shot passed 16 feet, in significant sample sizes. At the rim he's well above-average for a PG. Absolutely awful everywhere else. A turnover machine.

Shooting isn't a skill easily acquired. Sure, he may get better -- how can he get worse? -- but I believe most people have Wall as this "somewhat likely, if not probable, to become an early second-rounder/late first rounder, with potential for even more if all breaks right" kind of a value in a keeper league. He will not come cheap, lemme tell ya. And he's coming off major injury.

The defensive stats are nice. The FT% helps a little -- it's only slightly above the fantasy average, so a few more % points would help a lot -- but it's worrying when almost half your shots come at the rim, you shoot 60% from there, and your FG% is still awful.

How does the keeper system work?

Good helpful analysis thanks. I guess the way I look at Wall is that I have no issue with the turnovers as that is a stat I have only won once, the defensive stats are a big plus, and he is a decent rebounder for a guard (rebounds are easy to find though I acknowledge). Overall though Lin does pretty well and even gives a block or two every now and again.

The Manager of the other team is wanting to see how Wall goes now anyway.

Um Keeper settings are just standard, protect 6 guys who won't go into the draft, then it is just a redraft as usual. Does that make sense? To be honest this is our first year so haven't seen it in action.

[msmoore66]

I dont like this trade for you although I like the players you are going after..

Bledsoe is the X Factor, LAC said they are not trading him because Paul has not signed an extension and they are keeping him for insurance.

Yeah perhaps an over pay. Problem is the guy I am trying to trade with is a tough dealer, so doubt I would get a much better deal out of it- that is I really wanted the players which I am not that hung up on.

Bledsoe would be very nice. I think, as you said about the Paul extension, I just need to keep an eye on that and look to make a move for him later when it becomes more clear. Either way next season he will either be getting good burn for the Clippers or somewhere else!

[Apathy]

No, you have to be willing to deal with uncertainty for Bledsoe now (and uncertainty in general) if you ever want to make potential rip-off trades v any owner worth his salt.

To me the obvious decision is to try to acquire Bledsoe now, six months to a year before his value goes through the roof. Because the upside is not only absurdly high but also probable. IMO the biggest risk about Bledsoe is injury -- he plays a reckless style and is often banged up.

Honestly, if you assume this keeper was alive for 3-5 more years, I'd take Bledsoe over Randolph. That's what I mean about capitalizing on uncertainty. You need to make tough value decisions now and be willing to go all the way with them. Go big or go home.

And let's be clear: that's the kind of "Godfather" offer it's going to take to get Bledsoe. And I'd take Bledsoe over Randolph by a MILE in a keeper. But at first glance it looks like Randolph's better, huh? So there's a chance he accepts it without thinking about it. Which is what you want.

[TheToothFairy]

I dont like this trade for you although I like the players you are going after..

Bledsoe is the X Factor, LAC said they are not trading him because Paul has not signed an extension and they are keeping him for insurance.

Yeah perhaps an over pay. Problem is the guy I am trying to trade with is a tough dealer, so doubt I would get a much better deal out of it- that is I really wanted the players which I am not that hung up on.

Bledsoe would be very nice. I think, as you said about the Paul extension, I just need to keep an eye on that and look to make a move for him later when it becomes more clear. Either way next season he will either be getting good burn for the Clippers or somewhere else!

Listen I SALIVATE about Owning Bledsoe. Every GM in my League is waiting for CP3 to get injured to pounce on him...lol.. We cant keep players who were onj waivers or he would already be on a team

Bledsoe has mini-Lebron Potential and top 10 potential given starter minutes.

And everybody remembers that pre-season game where he had some ridiculous amount of steals where he showed a glimpse of his potential.

But in hindsight I think you should get him now and stash him if you really like him

I

[msmoore66]

Well since posting in here I decided to keep pursuing Bledsoe. I offered Aaron Brooks just to test the water and he rejected saying he wanted a little bit more as he would be losing Bledsoe's steals.

Before I even saw the email, he offered me Bledsoe, Vuc and Bargnani for Brooks, Horford and Ed Davis.

I am at work so haven't looked into the numbers yet, but am likely to reject. I want to see how Davis plays when Bargnani returns before deciding on his future with my team. Seems like I am giving up too much there right?

Apathy, You say that you would consider moving Randolph for him Bledsoe, perhaps I should be trying to make a Randolph/Brooks for Bledsoe/Vuc trade? Randolph has been beasting it points and rebounds wise, but I suppose not much else, but does Vuc do anything else much better? Guess that is the price of Bledsoe....

[Apathy]

Bargnani sucks. But that deal is v close. I might accept that if it was a "take it or leave it" deal. But he seems dumb so chances are you can get more.

Why are you trying to acquire Vucevic when his value is HIGHEST? Buy low, sell high, not the opposite.

[TheToothFairy]

Well since posting in here I decided to keep pursuing Bledsoe. I offered Aaron Brooks just to test the water and he rejected saying he wanted a little bit more as he would be losing Bledsoe's steals.

Before I even saw the email, he offered me Bledsoe, Vuc and Bargnani for Brooks, Horford and Ed Davis.

I am at work so haven't looked into the numbers yet, but am likely to reject. I want to see how Davis plays when Bargnani returns before deciding on his future with my team. Seems like I am giving up too much there right?

Apathy, You say that you would consider moving Randolph for him Bledsoe, perhaps I should be trying to make a Randolph/Brooks for Bledsoe/Vuc trade? Randolph has been beasting it points and rebounds wise, but I suppose not much else, but does Vuc do anything else much better? Guess that is the price of Bledsoe....

See if you can take Horford out of the deal.