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the list is made using my new formula(here it is used for standard 9 cats, but some other popular cats will be supported too). i intend to use it at the fbb site i'm making(it will probably be up some time in the march). it's not perfect as it doesn't take into account games played, injury issues, name-power or league size(i plan on modifying it so that it does take into account league size) but i think it is great for getting realistic value of players based on their per game averages so far(27.1'08.). so without further ado here it is:

1 paul,chris
2 stoudemire,amare
3 nash,steve
4 garnett,kevin
5 bryant,kobe
6 butler,caron
7 ming,yao
8 billups,chauncey
9 camby,marcus
10 james,lebron
11 marion,shawn
12 nowitzki,dirk
13 martin,kevin
14 davis,baron
15 bosh,chris
16 iverson,allen
17 smith,josh
18 kaman,chris
19 bynum,andrew
20 williams,deron
21 ginobili,manu
22 redd,michael
23 gasol,pau
24 calderon,jose
25 kirilenko,andrei
26 boozer,carlos
27 pierce,paul
28 miller,mike
29 lewis,rashard
30 dunleavy,mike
31 gay,rudy
32 hill,grant
33 west,david
34 allen,ray
35 granger,danny
36 richardson,jason
37 duncan,tim
38 turkoglu,hedo
39 howard,josh
40 wade,dwyane
41 miller,brad
42 hamilton,richard
43 wallace,gerald
44 iguodala,andre
45 williams,mo
46 terry,jason
47 howard,dwight
48 carter,vince
49 wallace,rasheed
50 stojakovic,peja
51 johnson,joe
52 kidd,jason
53 anthony,carmelo
54 jamison,antawn
55 crawford,jamal
56 dalembert,samuel
57 jefferson,al
58 salmons,john
59 gordon,ben
60 barbosa,leandro
61 maggette,corey
62 ellis,monta
63 ilgauskas,zydrun
64 roy,brandon
65 bell,raja
66 jefferson,richar
67 harris,devin
68 jackson,stephen
69 biedrins,andris
70 artest,ron
71 harrington,al
72 ford,t.j.
73 ratliff,theo
74 gibson,daniel
75 o'neal,jermaine
76 childress,josh
77 fisher,derek
78 battier,shane
79 williams,marvin
80 parker,anthony
81 jones,james
82 bibby,mike
83 haywood,brendan
84 aldridge,lamarcu
85 durant,kevin
86 korver,kyle
87 chandler,tyson
88 brewer,ronnie
89 garcia,francisco
90 mcgrady,tracy
91 udrih,beno
92 hinrich,kirk
93 carter,anthony
94 moon,jamario
95 okafor,emeka
96 deng,luol
97 cassell,sam
98 nocioni,andres
99 bogut,andrew
100 parker,tony
101 daniels,antonio
102 collison,nick
103 thomas,kurt
104 kleiza,linas
105 haslem,udonis
106 mccants,rashad
107 odom,lamar
108 mobley,cuttino
109 mohammed,nazr
110 williams,sean
111 perovic,kosta
112 martin,kenyon
113 nelson,jameer
114 tinsley,jamaal
115 barry,brent
116 williams,jason
117 thomas,tim
118 miller,andre
119 dampier,erick
120 murphy,troy
121 bogans,keith
122 korver,kyle
123 szczerbiak,wally
124 farmar,jordan
125 blake,steve
126 lee,david
127 arenas,gilbert
128 felton,raymond
129 davis,ricky
130 navarro,juan_car
131 gomes,ryan
132 okur,mehmet
133 barnes,matt
134 johnson,anthony
135 wright,dorell
136 jianlian,yi
137 house,eddie
138 prince,tayshaun
139 horford,al
140 mcdyess,antonio
141 alston,rafer
142 webster,martell
143 korver,kyle
144 randolph,zach
145 smith,joe
146 outlaw,travis
147 varejao,anderson
148 posey,james
149 delfino,carlos
150 stevenson,deshaw
151 jaric,marko
152 smith,j.r.
153 peterson,morris
154 robinson,nate
155 blatche,andray
156 wilcox,chris
157 turiaf,ronny
158 azubuike,kelenna
159 rondo,rajon
160 bass,brandon
161 marbury,stephon
162 jack,jarrett
163 finley,michael
164 green,willie
165 moore,mikki
166 mason,roger
167 oberto,fabricio
168 foster,jeff
169 maxiell,jason
170 diop,desagana
171 przybilla,joel
172 watson,earl
173 gooden,drew
174 stackhouse,jerry
175 knight,brevin
176 hayes,chuck
177 landry,carl
178 perkins,kendrick
179 telfair,sebastia
180 conley,mike
181 ariza,trevor
182 carroll,matt
183 najera,eduardo
184 diaw,boris
185 kapono,jason
186 millsap,paul
187 bonner,matt
188 radmanovic,vladi
189 stoudamire,damon
190 wilkins,damien
191 quinn,chris
192 rush,kareem
193 williams,louis
194 vujacic,sasha
195 head,luther
196 o'neal,shaquille
197 novak,steve
198 lowry,kyle
199 miles,c.j.
200 smith,craig

it still requires some fine tuning, so i'd like to ask you all for some constructive criticism. which players should be ranked higher and why(not based on their names, but on their numbers for the season). i repeat this list doesn't take into account name-power or injury-proness

notable players who didn't make it:
203 hughes,larry
204 milicic,darko
208 wallace,ben
211 ridnour,luke
223 villanueva,charl
225 bargnani,andrea

thanx in advance

Dwight Howard @ 47?

You're kidding, right?

Geez, if you get him on your team ... change your team into an 8-cat team, and dump every good FT shooter on your team for others in the same range, with bad FTs. FT%s are overvalued IMO, especially in H2H.

Fair, although I don't like Deron in the top-20 and Ginobili at 21. Manu's not going to have that true value in a league.

Josh Howard also deserves a bit more love IMO.

Ray Allen's a bit luck to be at 34 I'd also have to say.
Peja at 50 is far too high.
Gordon at 59 despite an awful season?
Korver at 86 is too high

See the pattern?
I know that 3PTM technically also contributes towards your points total, but I think too much emphasis has been placed on it.

BTW, it'll be nice to see your website when it is finished.

Rankings, basketball tools, articles/opinions, links, and a nice website layout are all you need!

I to am excited to see your website

I am a little curious why Amare is so high. I don't recall seeing him at two anywhere else... whats the rationale for that?

kiz5 wrote:Dwight Howard @ 47?

You're kidding, right?

Geez, if you get him on your team ... change your team into an 8-cat team, and dump every good FT shooter on your team for others in the same range, with bad FTs. FT%s are overvalued IMO, especially in H2H.

Only in H2H. You're not going to win a league sporting a '1' in FT%. It's just not going to happen.

By the way, this isn't some objective 'where you should draft xxx' list. It's a ranking based on an actual formula. You'd be hard pressed to convince me that Dwight Howard is anything but a 35-50 ranked player right now.

kiz5 wrote:Dwight Howard @ 47?

You're kidding, right?

Geez, if you get him on your team ... change your team into an 8-cat team, and dump every good FT shooter on your team for others in the same range, with bad FTs. FT%s are overvalued IMO, especially in H2H.

as stanford said this is based on formula, name power is not a factor. it's calculated for 9 cat leagues, if you want to tank one cat that's your right, when the site is up you'll be able to choose which cats you want to use for ranking, but this is based on all 9 cats. he is 10th worst player in turnovers and the worst in ft% among fantasy worthy players by my formula

KalElen wrote:he is 10th worst player in turnovers and the worst in ft% among fantasy worthy players by my formula

Not to mention he gives you almost nothing in assists.

FARMERMAN10 wrote:I to am excited to see your website

I am a little curious why Amare is so high. I don't recall seeing him at two anywhere else... whats the rationale for that?

first he has 2 huge positives: he is 10th in blocks and blocks are extremely valuable and he is no1 contributor in fg%. other reason he is up there is he has no negatives in 3 cats where player can hurt you(fg%, ft% and to) unlike most other top players. very few players don't hurt you significantly anywhere, amare's ft% is above average(not by much, but still above) his tos are in check (he is 77th worst)

ok, I can't argue with that analysis

So how soon are you looking at starting the site?

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Not to mention he gives you almost nothing in assists.

this is also true, but many other players don't contribute in certain cats. d-how would be great in 7cat leagues(with no tos and ft%) maybe even no1, i don't know, but he hurts you badly in two cats and that's the main reason. my formula penalizes those who hurt you anywhere

ys i'll answer you alittle later since you asked about several players and i don't have the time right now.

@FARMERMAN10, i hope the site will be up some time in march, but i can't guarantee it. it depeneds on many things, and some of them not under my control

It's something general - I think you are overrating 3PTM on the whole.

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this is also true, but many other players don't contribute in certain cats. d-how would be great in 7cat leagues(with no tos and ft%) maybe even no1, i don't know, but he hurts you badly in two cats and that's the main reason. my formula penalizes those who hurt you anywhere

No, it's the general correlation between assists and TOs. If I'm taking on 3+ turnovers I want a decent amount of assists in return. That's what I meant. That's why I didnt mention three pointers.

Also, we can't argue your rankings because theyre not objective. Post the weight of each cat and I'm sure we'll have a nice little discussion about that.

I personally think Gerald and Duncan should move up as well as a couple of other players. Minor shifts here and there. Pretty good though.

Stanford wrote:Also, we can't argue your rankings because theyre not objective. Post the weight of each cat and I'm sure we'll have a nice little discussion about that.

acctually they are objective. i didn't just pick a weight for every cat based on my own opinion/experience. weights are not fixed and they depend on few things: production of the players that are included on the list(over the period requested, which in this case is season up to 27.1), number of players on the list(400+), number of players per team(in this example i took 13) etc. to answer ys as well here all cats are equal. when ranking players every player gets a number of points for every cat and then i add up all of his points for his final score. sum of points of all players for each and every cat is the same. a 3 pointer is 2nd most valuable among 7 cumulative stats(per point of production) and that's a fact based on numbers

So there's not a static formula used for every player?

Stanford wrote:So there's not a static formula used for every player?

yes there is static formula, but there are no static weights. they are calculated based on rank settings within the formula. if you ran the formula on 400 players and 13 players per team and on 300 players and 14 players per team you get different results and different weights for every cat because cat weights are recalculated for new settings

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Only in H2H. You're not going to win a league sporting a '1' in FT%. It's just not going to happen.

I'm actually trying to challenge that notion in a competitive 12-team, 9-cat roto league. I ended up with a team whose top players are currently Lebron, Duncan, Baron, J. Rich, and DHoward. You can probably guess that I have a '1' in FT% and a '2' in TOs (surprisingly enough, as I expected a '1' there too). I'm also averaging 11 or more in the other 7 categories and have been fluctuating around 80 to 82 points total for the past month, currently about 5-6 points ahead of the 2nd place team. (Side note: being a competitive, knowledgeable league, the key to how this team was assembled is that I drafted Howard in the 6th round and I traded KG for Lebron once I realized my FT% and TO's were messed up.)