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Kind of lost...

Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:23 pm
by nyk2423
There are some players that I am not sure what to think.

Marc Gasol,what kind of player can he be this upcoming year.I am reading through the boards and people are expecting a lot from him.In my league with friends he can be a big steal because i could get him the last rd.

Augustin and Felton.What is going on over there?They have 2 young pgs, i would imagine Felton will get traded.But if he does what should I think of DJ when it comes to fantasy bball this upcoming season.

Rose.People are going to over draft him IMO.I think he will be a solid 13ppg 3reb 5ast 1stl with bad %s and high TOs.Where do you think he should be drafted?

JR Smith.From the looks of it it seems like the Nuggets really like this kid.They traded Camby away to keep him is what i am hearing.If they traded away their starting big and best defender that must mean that JR will get a starting job or major min, but what kind of player can he be? 17pp 3reb 3ast with a lot of 3s and mid 40fg% 80ft% and mid to high 30 3%.

Stuckey.If they trade Billups i imagine Stuckey is their man.But what kind of player can he be in a 82 game season? Maybe a Derrick rose type of player but with better %s across the board?

Monta and Beirdrins.Will Montas ast #s go up since that as of right now he is their pg?And Biedrins just got big money so will he just become lazy and not come with fire every night?

Ron Artest.Is he the Rockets starting PF?If he is then this guy will be very valuable since he will be a sf/pf

Dunleavy had a HUGE year last yr and was very consistent.But could he do it again?

Thornton,this could very well be a steal.With him being the starting SF he could very well avg around 15ppg 7reb 2ast 2stl 1blk with good %s and maybe a 3 a game

Bynum,what can i expect from him?13ppg 11reb 2ast 2-3blks.

Again Bogut got paid big money and he had a huge year last year but will he have a similar year next yr?

Young,does he getting the starting SF job and Iggy moves over to the 2 guard?If he does could he be a 12ppg 6reb 2ast type of guy?

Oden does anybody else expect Bynum type of #s from this kid?If so, i think Bynum will be taken wayy earlier because he has already done it

can people please give some opinions...thank you

Re: Kind of lost...

Posted: Fri Aug 1, 2008 4:47 am
by writersblock
I'll respond to a few of these.

First, Marc Gasol: I've heard he's like his brother, but softer. Being softer than Pau is probably not a good thing. He's also a raw talent. I wouldn't expect much from him next season, especially not with Darko and Warrick there.

Augustin and Felton: This isn't too surprising. Felton is the starting PG, their back-ups last year were Jeff Mcinnis, Derek Anderson, and Earl Boykins. In other words, they had no back-up PG. Augustin is their fix. I would expect the same from Felton as last season, Augustin may be good, but I wouldn't expect huge numbers.

I think Rose is about right in your estimation--IF Hinrich gets dealt.

JR Smith: All potential, looking for a contract. Nuff said.

Stuckey: Probably the biggest uptick I'd expect from Stuckey. No need to wear Billups down during the season, I'd expect good nights from Stuckey, especially on off days.

Monta and Biedrins: I agree with you on both accounts.

Artest: Don't know if Artest can really play PF in the West, not against the likes of Duncan, Pau, etc., but I think he has a solid Artest season.

Thornton: I'd expect him to break through this year.

Re: Kind of lost...

Posted: Fri Aug 1, 2008 8:16 am
by Young_Star11
I'd still nab Marc Gasol. Don't expect miracles, but he should be quite a good player with NBA experience. 9/5/1 could be considered optimistic at this stage.

Felton will continue to start IMO if not traded. Augustin gives them a solid and hopefully reliable back-up PG option. DJ starting could be detrimental as the bigger PGs abuse him.

People will definitely over-draft Rose. They talk about him being a defensive specialist, but I see just one steal a game from him. FG% and FT% should be something like 42% and 73% and TO should be in the 2.5 region.

JR needs to sign the contract first, but if he stays with Denver, I can see him starting and putting up 16/2/2.5 type numbers with upwards of 2.5 threes. Handy.

IMO Stuckey is not ready to make the step up to starter, but he should have an improved season. 10/2.5/3.5 (my current projection) may even be on the low-side.

Monta's assists will go up, but with Baron gone, his FG% and TO should take a slight hit. Still, I expect a 23/4/6 season from him, good for top-50 for sure. Biedrins can only get better IMO. He put up 10.5/9.8/1.2 playing just 27 minutes a game last season. You'd expect him to get at least 30 this season. We should see an increase, but the block numbers are where we want to see him improve. 1.5+ would be great.

Artest won't start at PF, but will play PF during stages of the game. He will get SF/PF, but his ranking should fall well into the 30s at least.

Not sure about Dunleavy. Indiana haven't got much better, but they have got deeper. I won't overdraft him; i.e. not touch him in the top-75.

Thornton should have a big year. Rookie season, had 13/4.5/1. Sophomore season, I would've be surprised to see 18/6/1.5/1/1/1 from him.

Bynum...13/10 and upwards of 2 blocks is a nice projection. He might fall since he missed most of last season, but he's going to be a beast in fantasy too.

I think Bogut can only improve. Only problem is that awful FT% which really drags him down. 15/10/2.5 with 1.5 blocks is my current projection, and with a coach like Skiles, he can do better.

Thaddeus was getting 10/5/1 as a starter/when he had joined the rotation. Anything less than this in a full season should be considered disappointing. I think 13/5.5/1.5 at the mo.

Yes, you can expect Bynum-type numbers from Oden. He should be good for a double-double with at least 2 blocks. His FT% is also very good. Basically he's going to be Amare with less scoring but more blocks. Scary.

Re: Kind of lost...

Posted: Fri Aug 1, 2008 10:04 am
by Stanford
writersblock wrote:First, Marc Gasol: I've heard he's like his brother, but softer.


Without the skill too, which is always a helpful thing to have. He's nothing like his brother.

His best case scenario for next year is around what Scola did this year.

I have no faith in Augustine putting up any sort of fantasy relivant numbers next year. Unlike Felton, (who is probably going to start all year) he's not even going to be able to spot minutes at the two. He'd have to be as efficient as an earlier Calderon, or recent Daniels to be considered for a spot.

After watching Rose in SL, I think he'll be underestimated in assists and overestimated in points. You're estimate may be spot on as fair as points go, but I've seen anything in the range of 16-18 points. I'm sure he's not going to be able to do that right away. Assists though, I would not be suprised at all if he came out of the gate averaging 7 or so a game. He's got that much talent around him and seems to have a knack for finding his teammates.

I was going to make the same comment about JR Smith. If anything, it seems like the Nuggets at least really like the guy as a player. He was very good in stretches last year. I'm put him in the headcase category, so he could very well put up the numbers he has in the last two seasons. On the other side, we're probably looking at a fantasy upside of a guy like Ben Gordon. If I were to guess, I'd put him somewhere in between next year.

I like Stuckey, but I don't know if his FG% will be better than Rose, or if we should even compare them at all. His numbers per 36 from even his rookie year were comparable to a Francis season. Even his Assist% was decent for a guy who played a good amount of time either at the two, or with the second unit. His passing rating was along side guys like Roy, Parker and Iguodala. If he got a starting gig at the point, his per 36 numbers from last year are probably what you'd want to look at. 14.5, 4.3, 5.6, 1.6 with higher TOs.

If I were to bet on it, I'd probably bet that Biedrins and Ellis will likely put up close to what they did last year.

I don't think starting position matters for Artest. He can spot minutes all over the court. He'll get his minutes, and his regular numbers.

Dunleavy could do what he did last year, but I'm not going to value him at this level this year, just because of his inconsistant past.

Thornton, eh, it's all been said. He's certainly not going to average 4 blk/stl/3pm per game, so just don't draft him and slot those numbers into youre roster. He's going to bring points to the table, so draft him for that and consider the extras, well, extras.

Bynums rebounds will probably go down from last year, because of Pau. Other than that, his numbers from last year sound realistic.

I think Bogut will at least have the year he had last year.

Thad has huge upside in steals.

What YS said about Oden is probably right. I think he has a greater upside in points than Bynum does though. I wouldnt be suprised if he came right out and averaged 15+. At least expect a double double with two blocks and good %s.

Re: Kind of lost...

Posted: Fri Aug 1, 2008 2:33 pm
by PerkinsFor3
Marc Gaso: I'd expect something along the line of Luis Scola.

Augustin and Felton: Felton will start, kinda like when Knight was there.

Rose: 13, 3, 5 sounds ok. Maybe even less.

JR Smith: I'm not sure. If the Nuggets wouldve liked them, why didnt they sign him yet?

Stuckey: I dont see the Pistons trading Billups. Nevertheless I can see Stuckey going for 15 pts.

Monta and Beirdrins: Monta SG on PG position. 5 ast max. TO's will rise a lot too. Biedrins is nothing more than Okafor, Dalembert, Chandler etc. With less blk and worse ft.

Ron Artest: Low %'s. Same as he did in Sac.

Dunleavy: Same as last year.

Thornton: I predict 17 pts, 7 reb b with nice %'s.

Bynum: 13, 10, 2 sounds good.

Again Bogut: Better than Biedrins, but watch for to. Check his post all star stats. 16 pts, 11 reb, 1.7 blk. Good fg, 2.5 or 3 ast,

Young: 13 pts 5 reb. Not a 3pt shooter so nice filler.

Oden: Bynum sounds good.

Re: Kind of lost...

Posted: Sat Aug 2, 2008 1:15 am
by NetsForce
I think Dunleavy is going to turn in another good year, what he's really benefited from since coming to Indiana is coach Jim O'brein's system.

Re: Kind of lost...

Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:55 pm
by Pinot love
A little time has gone by...

Marc Gasol: II wouldn't draft him with anything more than a 13th round pick.

Augustin and Felton: Felton is going to be a good 8th round choice this year. His value will exceed the positions should be able to draft him at, 85-95th overall. His efficiency increases should hedge any counting stat decline potential, though I believe he'll get plenty of minutes based on the language I've read in the news.

nyk2423 wrote:Rose.People are going to over draft him IMO.I think he will be a solid 13ppg 3reb 5ast 1stl with bad %s and high TOs.Where do you think he should be drafted?


Those numbers with 43.5%/72%/2.3to put him around 160th overall.

They resigned JR. I'm sure he'll have some nice bursts of value, but I have him at 10th round value. At your projections nyk, he'd be about 55th overall per game. I don't think he's got a shot at that though. How's he going to get many shots off?

Stuckey is a good 12th round pick.

Monta and Beidrins are hard to project for me. So far they've gone just ahead of where I'd want them. I think Ellis will be hurt in some cats as well as helped in some as well due to Baron's departure. His FG% will go down and turnovers up. I like him in the 3rd round, Biedrins in the 6th.

Artest: Depending on the risk of the guys you've already picked, you might want to reach in the 3rd. I like him in the 4th.

Dunleavy may have inconsistent value, but good durability (245 of 246 games played in last three years). I like him in the late 4th- early 5th round.

Thornton: I don't like him as much as most. Wouldn't take him until the 11th, maybe 10th. His stats aren't great for fantasy. Would be a decent center.

Gasol's presence will hurt Bynum's, more than Bynum will Gasol. Do not expect last years type value. I like him in the 5th.

I think Bogut will be a good player next year, but that quality will not directly translate to fantasy value. I like him in the 6th, quite a bit higher in H2H. If he shot a decent FT% he'd be a 3rd+ rounder.

Thaddeus Young should be a good 9th round pick.

Like most guys in this thread, I like Oden 5-6th depending on how much you need a C, blocks and how much risk you can take.