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My current team is

PG.Deron
PG.Crawford(PG/SG)
SG.KMart
SG.Iggy(SG/SF)
SF.Mags(SG/SF)
SF.Beasley(SF/PF)
PF.Brand(PF/C)
PF.J. O'Neal(PF/C)
C.Kaman
Util.AK47(SF/PF)

Bench
Thornton(SF/PF)
Warrick(SF/PF)
Stuckey(PG/SG)
Fernandez(PG/SG)
Blatche(PF/C)

I just offered Stuckey and Blatche for Wilson Chandler because I plan on picking up Lou Will if this trade is accepted.I made this offer mainly because I want a back up SG/SF.Can you guys give me you opinons......

Lou Will...

Better assist/3pt's made...He may be able to average 13-16ppg this year. It would be even more if he were starting, but this should still be a breakout year for Williams.

Be that as it may, stuckey is a great young prospect as well. But I see Williams being more productive this year...

The only question with Stuckey is minutes. I think Louis Williams might be seeing an increase in minutes this year compared to Stuckey. I like Stuckey and he might improve from last year but you just don't' know the amount of minutes he might be getting on a veteran squad. The only downside with Louis though is his field goal percentage but I think he'll increase that with Elton Brand spacing things out on the floor.

I'd keep Blatche especially with Haywood's injury.

I also rate Stuckey very similar to Lou Wil.I agree that Lou Will. will bring more 3 ptm to the table but I also think that Stuckey will bring a lot of steals to the table.Moreover IMO Detroit seems to be more willing to give minutes to Stuckey compared to Philly.So I'd say keep Blatche and Stuckey over Lou Will and W.Chandler.

^^^Lol where you getting the minutes part from? Lou will is slotted to get about 27-30 mpg this year. Which might be slightly more if not the same amount that Stuckey will get. They're going to test him out and see if he can run the point. If so they'll make him a starter in 09/10 and not resign Andre Miller...

Go with Lou will man. He also gets steals, infact at a higher rate than stuckey.

Even though they are marginal players,Willie Green and Kareem Rush(especially him with his outside stroke) should steal some minutes from Lou.I definitely think 30 mpg is out of question and 27 mpg is really an optimistic prediction.I'm leaning more towards 23-25 mpg.(about 15 mpg as Dre's back up and 10 mpg as Iggy's back up)

eyeatoma wrote:^^^Lol where you getting the minutes part from? Lou will is slotted to get about 27-30 mpg this year. Which might be slightly more if not the same amount that Stuckey will get. They're going to test him out and see if he can run the point. If so they'll make him a starter in 09/10 and not resign Andre Miller...

Go with Lou will man. He also gets steals, infact at a higher rate than stuckey.

If Lou Will is going to get 30 mins, he will most likely have to play a bit at the 2 spot (which I'm sure he did a bit last season)....moving Iggy to SF at times (he won't sit down just because Lou Will & Dre are on the court together), while cutting into Thaddeus Young's mins in the process. Miller is not going to be playing less than 20 mins. He is a quality veteran starting pg in the NBA, and will get his 30+ mins running a playoff team.

Stuckey will most likely get his 30 mins because he can play both the pg and sg spot, which is what Michael Curry is planning to do. 3 guard rotation with Billups/Hamilton/Stuckey...a combination of 2 during the game. Most likely won't see all 3 of them at the same time.

Death Knight wrote:

eyeatoma wrote:^^^Lol where you getting the minutes part from? Lou will is slotted to get about 27-30 mpg this year. Which might be slightly more if not the same amount that Stuckey will get. They're going to test him out and see if he can run the point. If so they'll make him a starter in 09/10 and not resign Andre Miller...

Go with Lou will man. He also gets steals, infact at a higher rate than stuckey.

If Lou Will is going to get 30 mins, he will most likely have to play a bit at the 2 spot (which I'm sure he did a bit last season)....moving Iggy to SF at times (he won't sit down just because Lou Will & Dre are on the court together), while cutting into Thaddeus Young's mins in the process. Miller is not going to be playing less than 20 mins. He is a quality veteran starting pg in the NBA, and will get his 30+ mins running a playoff team.

Stuckey will most likely get his 30 mins because he can play both the pg and sg spot, which is what Michael Curry is planning to do. 3 guard rotation with Billups/Hamilton/Stuckey...a combination of 2 during the game. Most likely won't see all 3 of them at the same time.

You forget that Thad can play the PF spot when Brand is sitting moving Iggy to SF and having Lou play SG. Miller will probably still get about 32+mpg, but like I said, he's in a contract year and the sixers don't know if they want to resign a 32 year old pg, who is already showing some wear and tear.

30 mpg might be stretching it, but he can definitely average around 26-28, which is more than enough time for a scoring machine like him to have an impact. Either way, I'm pretty sure even if Stuckey plays more minutes hes not going to have the same fantasy output as Williams. Lou is just a little bit further ahead at this point in time.

Heres a rough breakup of the minutes that will be incorporated this year...

(Minutes)
PG: Miller(34), Lou(14)
SG: Iggy(18), Lou(12), Green(12), Rush(6)
SF: Young(22), Iggy(20), Rush(6)
PF: Brand(26), Evans(10), Speights(6), Young(6)
C: Sammy(32), Brand(10), Speights(6)

Lou would average about 26 here, which is more than enough time for him to put up stats like 14ppg/3-4 assists,2 3pm, 1.2 spg, on 45% shooting...

Call me a pessimist but I just can't see stuckey averaging those numbers...

That's quite a stretch.

He averaged 0.7 3 ptm in 23 mpg last year and suddenly he will get 2 !!! 3 ptm in 26 mpg? I expect some kinda increase in 3 ptm due to Brand's presence but at the best case I expect something like 1.2-1.4 3 ptm(which is actually quite an improvement as he basically doubles his 3ptm from last year). I think it is unrealistic to expect an output in 3 ptm that's triple of what he produced last year.

Moreover to get 14 ppg on 45%,Lou needs roughly around 13 fga in 26 minutes per game(roughly a field goald attempt in every 2 minutes).In comparison,last year he averaged 9.4 fga per game in 23 minutes despite playing with players who are much more limited offensively compared to this year's roster.So unless a dramatic increase in pace or an injury occurs,I definitely dont see that many shots available for Lou at offense.

Thus I expect something more like 12/3 apg on 1.4 3 ptm 1.2 spg and 45% shooting.That's quite an improvement over last year(doubled 3 ptm plus a 3% increase in fg% due to Brand's presence).

12 ppg

He averaged 11 last year man. People are saying that this is going to be Lou's break out year to some extent, and are already penciling him in as one of the top 6th man of the year candidates. What makes him so enticing is the fact that he can score in bunches in very few minutes. Thats what makes him so effective. The sixers are going to be shooting a lot more 3's this year, due to the addition of Brand. Lou currently has the best long distance shot after Kareem Rush. He's pretty much got the green light to fire away, although I believe he's not going to be a chucker.

I do realize that Young can play PF, but that's a pretty small line up to say the least...Miller, Williams, Iggy, Young. Young was probably forced to play a bit of PF last season, but with the addition of Brand adding more size and Dally/Evans staying the same, I'm not sure if it is necessary anymore.

Stuckey is actually a much more popular choice for 6th man of the year. There was a thread on the general boards discussing 6th man of the year, and Stuckey's name came up quite often.

My approach to this situation is like this.........I see Stuckey putting up closer to pg production than a sg's production. Williams will probably give you more of a sg production than a pg's. So later in the draft, if I am looking to add a pg, I go with Stuckey. If I need a sg, I go with Williams.

EDIT: Manu is expected to miss at least 25 games, so I can't see how he should even have enough games to qualify at the end of the season. This leaves the door open for guys like Stuckey and Lou Will.

Death Knight wrote:I do realize that Young can play PF, but that's a pretty small line up to say the least...Miller, Williams, Iggy, Young. Young was probably forced to play a bit of PF last season, but with the addition of Brand adding more size and Dally/Evans staying the same, I'm not sure if it is necessary anymore.

Stuckey is actually a much more popular choice for 6th man of the year. There was a thread on the general boards discussing 6th man of the year, and Stuckey's name came up quite often.

My approach to this situation is like this.........I see Stuckey putting up closer to pg production than a sg's production. Williams will probably give you more of a sg production than a pg's. So later in the draft, if I am looking to add a pg, I go with Stuckey. If I need a sg, I go with Williams.

EDIT: Manu is expected to miss at least 25 games, so I can't see how he should even have enough games to qualify at the end of the season. This leaves the door open for guys like Stuckey and Lou Will.

As far as Young goes, its not about necessity to play the PF spot. He's a versatile forward given the fact that he can play both forward positions. He's pretty good on defense when going up against PF's and he's way too quick for them to contain. I'm not saying he's going to get a lot of minutes, but he will get some. He's extremely long and athletic, in the Shawn Marion mold, so playing spot minutes at PF will not be a problem.

I'm not sure why you think Stuckey has a better chance to average more assists than Williams. If anything stuckey is built to be more of a SG than Williams at 6'5... Williams is a combo gaurd, who can pass well, his only problem is turnovers. The plan is for Williams to take over Miller's duties next year, so naturally they're going to try him at the PG spot this year, where he will rack up assists.

Just like how you say Williams is the future to replace Miller, the same plan is in the works for Stuckey to replace Billups. Stuckey has the same sort of tough/strong body size built like Billups, and Detroit wants him to learn from Billups as much as possible, which he is doing.

The Detroit squad ain't getting any younger, so their young guys are being given the opportunity to step in. Reasons why Amir Johnson is replacing McDyess at PF in the starting line up as well. In general, Detroit likes to rest their starters more than the average team for the past few years. Maybe they're good enough to coast through the regular season, I don't know.

This is just pre season, but it might be an indication that Stuckey will look to pass more than shoot.

Stuckey (4 games - 27mpg)
PPG: 12.5
REB: 2.8
AST: 5.8
STL: 2.3
3PT: 0.5
FG%: 45%
TO: 3.0

Williams (3 games - 22mpg)
PPG: 16.3
REB: 2.3
AST: 2.3
STL: 1.3
3PT: 0.3
FG%: 48%
TO: 3.7

eyeatoma wrote:12 ppg

He averaged 11 last year man. People are saying that this is going to be Lou's break out year to some extent, and are already penciling him in as one of the top 6th man of the year candidates. What makes him so enticing is the fact that he can score in bunches in very few minutes. Thats what makes him so effective. The sixers are going to be shooting a lot more 3's this year, due to the addition of Brand. Lou currently has the best long distance shot after Kareem Rush. He's pretty much got the green light to fire away, although I believe he's not going to be a chucker.

I'm talking about numbers;you are talking about pure speculation.I agree that we will see an increase in the quality of his overall play however I dont think that will translate into a significant improvement in his fantasy basketball output due to Brand's addition and the roster make-up.

He averaged 11 ppg in a offensively challenged team which had a non scoring froncourt(Young took very few shots;Evans is an offensive disaster,Dally is very limited offensively ) and which had one of the worst starting shooting guard in the league(Wilie Green).Now they are adding Brand who is sure gonna take around 16-18 shots easily.

^^^
Lou williams got those numbers after receiving decent minutes for the first time in his career. He was also only 20 years old last season. He's 21 now, and his upside is still very high.

The above stats should show what Lou Williams is capable of. Granted its during the preseason but 16 ppg in 22 minutes is fantastic. That too at 48%...He will definitely average around 26-28 mpg this season. More than enough time for him to average 14-16ppg, considering how explosive he is.

Death Kinght may be right about Stuckey having higher assists this year, but for overall offensive output/percentages, I'm gonna go with Lou Will.

In the end I'm going to agree with Death Knight. If you're looking for an increase in assists in the later rounds I'd go with Stuckey, but if you're looking for scoring to go along with good percentages, decent 3pm and assists, Lou Will is your man. It really depends on how your team is composed during the earlier rounds of the draft.

thad or lou will?

Thad,much more playing time,much more upside

Now, that I have to agree on haha...