Player traded Back-to-back

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Player traded Back-to-back 

Post#1 » by DerrickNoah » Fri Feb 2, 2018 6:36 am

Years ago, (2004-ish I believe) Rasheed Wallace was being traded from PDX to ATL mid-season... About a week later, he was then traded to DET at the trade deadline.

What are the exact rules for trading a player that you just received in a trade?

Example:
Could newly acquired Omer Asik be traded from the Bulls before the actually deadline?

Would he have to be traded “one player for one player”?

Pretty familiar with the CBA but this confuses me. How exactly does a deal like this work?

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Re: Player traded Back-to-back 

Post#2 » by DBoys » Fri Feb 2, 2018 7:30 am

The rule is that in normal situations, his salary can't be "aggregated" with that of another player (60 days). But if he is traded away alone, or without having to combine his salary to take back a player, no prob. Wouldn't matter how many come back in return.

In this specific case, however, no such restriction applies, as there is no restriction if the team ended under the cap in either the initial trade or the subsequent trade.

That having been said, I can't imagine that there's any demand for him anyhow, given that NO just gave up a pick in the teens in large part to get CHI to take his ugly contract off their cap.
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Re: Player traded Back-to-back 

Post#3 » by Smitty731 » Fri Feb 2, 2018 3:52 pm

DBoys wrote:The rule is that in normal situations, his salary can't be "aggregated" with that of another player (60 days). But if he is traded away alone, or without having to combine his salary to take back a player, no prob. Wouldn't matter how many come back in return.

In this specific case, however, no such restriction applies, as there is no restriction if the team ended under the cap in either the initial trade or the subsequent trade.

That having been said, I can't imagine that there's any demand for him anyhow, given that NO just gave up a pick in the teens in large part to get CHI to take his ugly contract off their cap.


This is something I'd been meaning to ask and I haven't found a good answer anywhere.

Chicago is still operating as an over the cap team, due to Exceptions. By all reports (and logic!), Asik was absorbed using part of the Jimmy Butler TPE.

So, since he was absorbed using an exception and Chicago is still over the cap, he couldn't be aggregated right?

FWIW, you are 100% correct that he's not getting traded again for the reasons you laid out.
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Post#4 » by DBoys » Fri Feb 2, 2018 7:15 pm

Smitty731 wrote:
DBoys wrote:The rule is that in normal situations, his salary can't be "aggregated" with that of another player (60 days). But if he is traded away alone, or without having to combine his salary to take back a player, no prob. Wouldn't matter how many come back in return.

In this specific case, however, no such restriction applies, as there is no restriction if the team ended under the cap in either the initial trade or the subsequent trade.

That having been said, I can't imagine that there's any demand for him anyhow, given that NO just gave up a pick in the teens in large part to get CHI to take his ugly contract off their cap.


This is something I'd been meaning to ask and I haven't found a good answer anywhere.

Chicago is still operating as an over the cap team, due to Exceptions. By all reports (and logic!), Asik was absorbed using part of the Jimmy Butler TPE.

So, since he was absorbed using an exception and Chicago is still over the cap, he couldn't be aggregated right?

FWIW, you are 100% correct that he's not getting traded again for the reasons you laid out.


"Chicago is still operating as an over the cap team, due to Exceptions."...Ah, ok, thanks. I saw the CHI salaries total far less than the cap, and figured they must be an under-cap, but I do understand the distinction. (DAL is doing the same as CHI, as I'm sure you know, operating over-cap although having a payroll in the 80s.)

In that case, yes a non-aggregation restriction would apply to a trade of Asik between now and the deadline. Unless. It could still be inapplicable (if they wished) by doing his subsequent (outgoing) trade in a manner to end under the cap.
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Post#5 » by Smitty731 » Fri Feb 2, 2018 7:17 pm

DBoys wrote:
Smitty731 wrote:
DBoys wrote:The rule is that in normal situations, his salary can't be "aggregated" with that of another player (60 days). But if he is traded away alone, or without having to combine his salary to take back a player, no prob. Wouldn't matter how many come back in return.

In this specific case, however, no such restriction applies, as there is no restriction if the team ended under the cap in either the initial trade or the subsequent trade.

That having been said, I can't imagine that there's any demand for him anyhow, given that NO just gave up a pick in the teens in large part to get CHI to take his ugly contract off their cap.


This is something I'd been meaning to ask and I haven't found a good answer anywhere.

Chicago is still operating as an over the cap team, due to Exceptions. By all reports (and logic!), Asik was absorbed using part of the Jimmy Butler TPE.

So, since he was absorbed using an exception and Chicago is still over the cap, he couldn't be aggregated right?

FWIW, you are 100% correct that he's not getting traded again for the reasons you laid out.


"Chicago is still operating as an over the cap team, due to Exceptions."...Ah, ok, thanks. I saw the CHI salaries total far less than the cap, and figured they must be an under-cap, but I do understand the distinction. (DAL is doing the same as CHI, as I'm sure you know, operating over-cap although having a payroll in the 80s.)

In that case, yes a non-aggregation restriction would apply to a trade of Asik between now and the deadline. Unless. It could still be inapplicable (if they wished) by doing his subsequent (outgoing) trade in a manner to end under the cap.


And most importantly, as we both said, he's not getting traded again anyway! :lol:
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Re: Player traded Back-to-back 

Post#6 » by DerrickNoah » Sat Feb 3, 2018 5:14 am

Thanks guys! That info does help but here is an additional question. I know that Asik getting traded again is unlikely but what if the Knicks/Bulls agreed to a deal, something around:
Asik
For
Noah
2018 1st

Bulls could also include Holiday to add value or include Felico to dump his contract. Depending on how the teams see the overall value.
Knicks could also include CHI 2018 2nd(returned) if they felt more value was needed.
Either way, as a huge Noah fan, I would love a deal like this. Of course an extremely lightly protected 2018 1st round pick would be needed.
The Bulls having Three 2018 1st round picks sounds like a quick & solid rebuild moving forward.
Noah was one of the most entertaining Bulls of all time, therefore Chicago is probably the only fanbase that would be willingly take back his contract, without an all out riot destroying the city. Thanks for reading.
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