Multiple sign and trades

Tfence92 · Post #1 » by **Tfence92** » Tue Feb 2, 2016 8:11 pm

Two questions:

1.) Can you do a sign and trade for a sign a trade?
As in, say team A signs and trade Lebron James to team B who signs and trades Kevin Durant to team A.

2.) Can you combine sign and trades?
As in team A agrees to sign and trade Lebron James and Kyrie Irving to team B.

Post #2 » by **Smitty731** » Tue Feb 2, 2016 9:05 pm

Tfence92 wrote:Two questions:

1.) Can you do a sign and trade for a sign a trade?
As in, say team A signs and trade Lebron James to team B who signs and trades Kevin Durant to team A.

2.) Can you combine sign and trades?
As in team A agrees to sign and trade Lebron James and Kyrie Irving to team B.

1. Yes. As long as all other rules related to a S&T are met.

2. Yes. Again, as long as all other related to a S&T are met.

Tfence92 · Post #3 » by **Tfence92** » Tue Feb 2, 2016 10:49 pm

Awesome, thank you.

MarkDeeks · Post #4 » by **MarkDeeks** » Sun Feb 7, 2016 8:56 pm

Happens reasonably regularly on a small scale (e.g. sign-and-trades salary filler are included on both sides in bigger deals). A bigger example was Detroit sign and trading Grant Hill to Orlando for Chucky Atkins and a signed-and-traded Ben Wallace.

kriss73 · Post #5 » by **kriss73** » Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:18 am

Going further: is a team allowed to sign&trade a RFA in a 3-way deal?

Ex.

Team A: sign RFA and trade to team C
Team B: sends player B to team A
Team C: sends player C to team B.

Thanks!

Post #6 » by **Smitty731** » Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:27 pm

kriss73 wrote:Going further: is a team allowed to sign&trade a RFA in a 3-way deal?

Ex.

Team A: sign RFA and trade to team C
Team B: sends player B to team A
Team C: sends player C to team A.

Thanks!

Yes. As long as you meet all the other S&T rules and rules for multiple team trades, you can S&T a player in a multi-team deal.

kriss73 · Post #7 » by **kriss73** » Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:30 pm

Smitty731 wrote:
kriss73 wrote:Going further: is a team allowed to sign&trade a RFA in a 3-way deal?

Ex.

Team A: sign RFA and trade to team C
Team B: sends player B to team A
Team C: sends player C to team A.

Thanks!

Yes. As long as you meet all the other S&T rules and rules for multiple team trades, you can S&T a player in a multi-team deal.

THX!

DBoys · Post #8 » by **DBoys** » Mon Jun 27, 2016 1:15 am

Restricted free agent status has no complication for a SNT. There is no offer sheet signed by the RFA when it's a SNT, and the contract is one signed by the RFA with the old team.

statsman · Post #9 » by **statsman** » Wed Jun 29, 2016 8:50 pm

Side question to this discussion:

If a player is subject to a S&T deal, must the player be the only one traded by his team? In short, is this the same rule about not being able to aggregate a player in a trade they just acquired in the previous two months?

Back to the discussion:

Aren't players in a S&T deal subject to what used to be the BYC issue? In the case of very large salary increases, it would be 50% of the new salary is considered as part of a trade for the team sending out the S&T player. Seems like two teams swapping S&T players could run into this issue unless both teams had sufficient cap space for each player.

DBoys · Post #10 » by **DBoys** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 12:14 am

"If a player is subject to a S&T deal, must the player be the only one traded by his team?"

Nope. He is just like any other player in the trade.

"Aren't players in a S&T deal subject to what used to be the BYC issue?"

They might be, yes. Depends on the size of the raise, of course.

statsman · Post #11 » by **statsman** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 12:16 am

DBoys wrote:"If a player is subject to a S&T deal, must the player be the only one traded by his team?"

Nope. He is just like any other player in the trade.

"Aren't players in a S&T deal subject to what used to be the BYC issue?"

They might be, yes. Depends on the size of the raise, of course.

Outstanding. Thanks for the information.