Can Miami trade another first round pick?

Post #1 » by **BBallFreak** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:57 pm

Just came up on the trade board, but if Miami were to acquire another first round pick and wanted to trade it to Minnesota to satisfy the terms of their deal, would that be legal? Can they trade a different first rounder in lieu of their own?

bgwizarfan · Post #2 » by **bgwizarfan** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:12 pm

^Most likely they can't switch the pick they give Minnesota now that the deals already done. You're saying, since they owe Minny their 1st round pick, if they were to acquire another one now, could they give Minny that one, instead of the one they actually have? That would depend on the terms of the trade, but I wouldn't think Minny would agree to that. I'm not sure if it's even legal, but I guess there could be something in the language of the deal, saying if we acquire another first round pick this year, you get the lower pick or whatever.

Post #3 » by **BBallFreak** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:28 pm

So, basically, you know as much as I do right now. :lol:

Anyone got anything definitive?

Modern_epic · Post #4 » by **Modern_epic** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 2:17 am

The answer is almost certainly no. I think the deal could theoretically be for 'a first round draft pick', but would be shocked if it was. The Wolves would have to be the dumbest franchise in sports to have worded the deal in a way that would allow Miami to just buy the last first round selection and send it instead... okay, so maybe I wouldn't be completely shocked.

That being said, Miami can try to convince the Timberwolves to trade their pick back for the pick Miami acquires. But since this was from the trade board, I'm willing to bet it was not a selection that the wolves would consider doing this with.

shrink · Post #5 » by **shrink** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:04 am

However, as an aside, if MIA was able to acquire another 1st rounder, it would allow them to trade their 2009 1st rounder, and sidestep the Ted Stepian rule.

Dunkenstein · Post #6 » by **Dunkenstein** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 5:42 pm

BBallFreak wrote:Anyone got anything definitive?

You want something definitive. Miami cannot send any pick other than their own to the Wolves in 2008 unless Minnesota agrees to take the other pick.

Since the pick owed to Minnesota is top 14 protected in 2008, it is unlikely that it will be conveyed to Minnesota this summer.

ITK9 · Post #7 » by **ITK9** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:13 am

absoltuly noy.if it's written in the trade contract it can't be changed..unless miami makes another trade with minny that swap the picks

LarryCoon · Post #8 » by **LarryCoon** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:11 pm

^^^ Correct.

Another scenario I once brought up is this: Suppose I owe you a pick that's top-14 protected this year, and unprotected next year. This year I end up picking 14th, so the pick is protected. However, we're starting to rebuild, and in all likelihood I'll be giving you a much better pick next summer. Can I instead waive the protection, and send you the 14th pick this year? The answer is NO -- the terms of the trade are spelled out when the trade is agreed upon, and it plays out as it was specified, unless amended by a latter trade.

Dunkenstein · Post #9 » by **Dunkenstein** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:10 am

LarryCoon wrote:the terms of the trade are spelled out when the trade is agreed upon, and it plays out as it was specified, unless amended by a latter trade.

But if Miami were to acquire a #1 pick that Minnesota would accept, couldn't they trade that pick and the rights to Roberto Duenas to Minnesota for the pick they already owed the Wolves and the rights to Loukas Mavrokefalidis?

LarryCoon · Post #10 » by **LarryCoon** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:19 pm

I'm afraid Loukas Mavrokefalidis is a dealbreaker.

Dunkenstein · Post #11 » by **Dunkenstein** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:08 pm

LarryCoon wrote:I'm afraid Loukas Mavrokefalidis is a dealbreaker.

Is that because you're afraid the PA announcer won't be able to pronounce his name?

Post #12 » by **Three34** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:46 pm

Dunkenstein wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Is that because you're afraid the PA announcer won't be able to pronounce his name?

It's easy. It's pronounced Mav.

Post #13 » by **HammJ** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 2:56 am

This conversation is giving me flashbacks to Cherokee Parks.

This was under a previous CBA, but I believe the rule still holds true today. This just struck me as being the bottom rung of trade value in the NBA:

1994 - Mavericks trade C Sean Rooks to Minnesota for a conditional 1st round draft pick in 1996, 1997 or 1998 (lottery protected in '96, top 6 protected in '97, unprotected in '98)

1996 - Mavericks trade F/C Cherokee Parks to Minnesota in exchange for removing 2 through 6 protection on 1997 first round pick acquired in an earlier trade involving Sean Rooks

As it turned out, the T'Wolves had the 15th pick in the 1997 draft. That pick went to Dallas and they drafted Kelvin Cato (promptly traded to Portland for the rights to C Chris Anstey and cash).