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offer sheet
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 7:36 am
by Shak23
Do you have to be under the cap to make an offer sheet or can you use part of the MLE if your over the cap? this is regarding restricted free agents.
Re: offer sheet
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:11 pm
by Tommy Udo 6
If you are over the cap, you can only offer all or part of the MLE on an offer sheet.
However, you can discuss a higher amount with the player & he can request his team to do a sign & trade. Thus, an official offer sheet will not be signed
Re: offer sheet
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 6:36 am
by FGump
Tommy Udo 6 wrote:If you are over the cap, you can only offer all or part of the MLE on an offer sheet.
I don't read anything in the rules that prohibits a different exception used to sign another team's free agents, besides the MLE, from being used as the means to make an offer on an offer sheet. The other exceptions would include BAE, Minimum, and Disabled Player exception.
Re: offer sheet
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 7:17 am
by Dunkenstein
I know that the MLE can be used to sign another team's RFA to an offer sheet. It was done with Charlie Bell last year.
However Article XI, Section 5 (b) states in part that "In order to extend an Offer Sheet, the New Team must have Room for the player’s Player Contract at the time the Offer Sheet is signed."
I can't find anywhere in the CBA that states that exceptions can be used to sign an RFA to an offer sheet. Any help out there?
Re: offer sheet
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 8:05 am
by Three34
Toronto signs Macy O'Baston to an offer sheet using their LLE last year. They gave their full MLE to Kapono.
Re: offer sheet
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 4:37 pm
by Dunkenstein
Sham wrote:Toronto signs Macy O'Baston to an offer sheet using their LLE last year. They gave their full MLE to Kapono.
Both were UFAs. So they were both signed to contracts, not offer sheets.
Re: offer sheet
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 6:13 pm
by Three34
Re: offer sheet
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 8:09 pm
by Dunkenstein
I stand corrected.
Re: offer sheet
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 10:27 pm
by FGump
Dunk, I know we have stumbled across multiple places where the CBA uses the term "room" and felt it must mean pure cap room. (Wasn't there some recent discussion about draft picks, in some instance, where "room" was mentioned?) But based on this exchange in this thread, I did some further research and found that it has the broadest meaning possible.
From the Definitions in the CBA
“Room” means the extent to which: (i) a Team’s then-current Team Salary is less than the Salary Cap; or (ii) a Team is entitled to use one of the Salary Cap Exceptions set forth in Article VII, Section 6(c), (d), (e) and (h) (Disabled Player, Bi-annual, Mid-Level Salary and Traded Player Exceptions).
This should help us all going forward. Thanks to you and Sham for the research and discussion that inspired it.
Re: offer sheet
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:25 am
by Dunkenstein
FGump, thanks for clearing that up.
Re: offer sheet
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:19 am
by Three34
That's from when we were talking about Tiago Splitter, and about the rule that allows teams to use "Room" to sign draft picks out of scale after a certain time period.
Re: offer sheet
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 2:51 pm
by Tommy Udo 6
FGump wrote:Tommy Udo 6 wrote:If you are over the cap, you can only offer all or part of the MLE on an offer sheet.
I don't read anything in the rules that prohibits a different exception used to sign another team's free agents, besides the MLE, from being used as the means to make an offer on an offer sheet. The other exceptions would include BAE, Minimum, and Disabled Player exception.
Bad choice of words from me. I should not have used "only" & I knew better.
