Must Capholds be Included in Making Trades?

corwin · Post #1 » by **corwin** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:52 pm

I hope one of the capologists can answer this question. Philadelphia is (according to Sham) at $47.992 million for 8 players. Adding in Lou Williams (2x his $770 salary in 07 as a 3 year player) & Iguodala (3x his $2.8 million dollar salary in 07) adds another $9.94 million. This totals $57.932 million leaving Philly under the cap & able to make trades so long as they don't go over the cap. This is for 10 players. Adding 2 minimum salaries ($800,000 apiece) brings them to $59, 532 or $852,000 over the cap. Must those minimum salaries be considered as cap holds that make signing Iguodala a BYC player? Also, do these numbers look right to you?

Wizenheimer · Post #2 » by **Wizenheimer** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:21 am

corwin wrote:I hope one of the capologists can answer this question. Philadelphia is (according to Sham) at $47.992 million for 8 players. Adding in Lou Williams (2x his $770 salary in 07 as a 3 year player) & Iguodala (3x his $2.8 million dollar salary in 07) adds another $9.94 million. This totals $57.932 million leaving Philly under the cap & able to make trades so long as they don't go over the cap. This is for 10 players. Adding 2 minimum salaries ($800,000 apiece) brings them to $59, 532 or $852,000 over the cap. Must those minimum salaries be considered as cap holds that make signing Iguodala a BYC player? Also, do these numbers look right to you?

if Iggy was signed, I'd think his new salary would automatically replace the cap-hold you designated for him. And since that is around 8.4 million, and his new contract is likely to be 2-3 million over that, i'd guess Philly would be over the cap anyway.

FGump · Post #3 » by **FGump** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:00 am

Corwin,
1. Unless Philly has signed a player since acquiring Brand, I suspect your numbers are a bit off. Whatever number they gave Brand took them right to the cap and no higher, and had to account for minimum salary holds for empty roster slots, free agent holds for Iggy and Lou and whoever else, and so on.

2. Regardless of the math, if you want to avoid BY issues for Iggy for a SNT, his first year contract amount could be for no more than the amount that at that point would make them be at the cap number. That includes the cap holds for players and empty slots.

If they are right at the cap at the moment (and I figure they are) that number will be equal to his current cap hold. If they are a bit over, then that will slightly reduce (to a number below his cap hold) what they could pay Iggy in a SNT that isn't BY, because they have to end up at a number (after the contract, but before the trade) that is at the cap or less, counting all holds, to avoid BY status..

corwin · Post #4 » by **corwin** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:33 pm

Thanks guys. It dawned on me that they must have given Brand every penny available after I posted so that the cap hold is the number that has to be used as a starting point for any potential S & T. That's going to make it difficult to trade Iguodala for much more than 5/50 million. Apparently, he' was already offered more than that last year.