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Say there is no season for 2011

If a guy has, lets say, 3 years, 45 million on his contract extending to 2012 (just a random example). Does he still get paid in 2011? Are the years on his deal just deferred to the future (so now his contract runs into 2013?). Wouldn't this screw teams with an older player on a big salary, since he is now getting paid the same money on an older year of his life?

What happened in the 99?

They don't get paid and they don't get that money back, hence lockout.

Idunkonyou2 wrote:They don't get paid and they don't get that money back, hence lockout.

So in the example of Kevin Garnett, he has the last year of his contract in 2011; he is scheduled to make 21,200,000 dollars. If the NBA locks out, that means he just loses that 21 million? Wouldn't he protest losing 21 million dollars against the players union?

Does the players union decide for everyone, or can certain players decide they want to opt out and still play under their salaries?

Another example would be Jamison, who is going to make 15,076,715 in 2011, in his final year of the deal; thats probably the last year he will ever really get paid given his age, and so he just loses 15 million?

synesthesia wrote:

Idunkonyou2 wrote:They don't get paid and they don't get that money back, hence lockout.

So in the example of Kevin Garnett, he has the last year of his contract in 2011; he is scheduled to make 21,200,000 dollars. If the NBA locks out, that means he just loses that 21 million? Wouldn't he protest losing 21 million dollars against the players union?

Does the players union decide for everyone, or can certain players decide they want to opt out and still play under their salaries?

Another example would be Jamison, who is going to make 15,076,715 in 2011; thats probably the last year he will ever really get paid given his age, and so he just loses 15 million?

Yep. They just lose the money. The owners aren't getting paid either so why should the players? A lockout hurts every one and no one ever really wins from it.

synesthesia wrote:

Idunkonyou2 wrote:They don't get paid and they don't get that money back, hence lockout.

So in the example of Kevin Garnett, he has the last year of his contract in 2011; he is scheduled to make 21,200,000 dollars. If the NBA locks out, that means he just loses that 21 million? Wouldn't he protest losing 21 million dollars against the players union?

This isn't rocket science. An NBA players strike is no different than a Boeing strike or British Airways strike. When workers strike, they don't get paid. Do you think their contracts would actually allow them to refuse to play and still get paid? (every Knicks player not withstanding)

Buckeye-NBAFan wrote:
This isn't rocket science. An NBA players strike is no different than a Boeing strike or British Airways strike. When workers strike, they don't get paid. Do you think their contracts would actually allow them to refuse to play and still get paid? (every Knicks player not withstanding)

If the NBA starts up for say, the last 27 games, because they've worked out a deal, does everyone just get 33% of their salary?

I remember vaguely in 99 that they still played some games at the end.

NBA players get paid per game so if they get a deal worked out, they would get paid for what ever games are left and that would be that.

There's a difference between a lockout and a strike isn't there?

If it's the owner's that decide to not go on with the season, would the players get paid? Or by not signing the CBA that the owner's want, is that akin to the players refusing to play, hence they do not get paid?

The players and their union rep don't agree and sign the CBA contract they don't get paid, bottomline. Well they always have the Union savings allowance that they can access to pay for their daily/weekly expenses but if you have to pay for 5 kids, a mortgages for a million dollar plus houses, maids, gas for your 2 ton Hummers/V8 gas guzzlers........you get the idea.

Simple as this.... players will only get paid if the players union sign a contract.... every players individual contract has clauses whereby they addhere to the player union decisions.

If Owners play hardball and players don't sign..... owners don't get paid and players dont get paid. But there are potential savings for owner if there is a lockout, if an owner was losing money to beinng with.

I can only imagine how fat Turkoglu will get if there's a lockout.....

The Duke wrote:Simple as this.... players will only get paid if the players union sign a contract.... every players individual contract has clauses whereby they addhere to the player union decisions.

If Owners play hardball and players don't sign..... owners don't get paid and players dont get paid. But there are potential savings for owner if there is a lockout, if an owner was losing money to beinng with.

There will be a ton of infighting within the Union as the money train dries up, The owners have set their foot and will not budge until they get what they want as they will have nothing to lose if theer is a stoppage in play. These millionaire ballers are awaiting that "doomsday" scenario where they have to spend less, gamble less and live within their means until a deal is signed, sealed and delivered.

can all the players just go play in Europe and China and all those places, or does their union contracts not allow this?

Imagine Euroleague flooded with 400 players. It would be kind of amazing, and we'd get to see interesting combinations of players on the same team. Random combinations like Chris Paul and Dwight Howard on some Greek team. Lebron in China to replace McGrady as their icon.

Sure these elite players would prob have to take 8 million or so, untaxed, instead of their usual 15-23 million, but it's better than nothing.

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Hope this clears up the confusion.

BigWil17 wrote:There's a difference between a lockout and a strike isn't there?

If it's the owner's that decide to not go on with the season, would the players get paid? Or by not signing the CBA that the owner's want, is that akin to the players refusing to play, hence they do not get paid?

When owners do it it's called a lockout. When players do it it's called a strike. Otherwise it's the same thing. Nobody works. Nobody makes money. Nobody gets paid (especially the poor arena employees who work for minimum wage but nobody cares about them).

synesthesia wrote:can all the players just go play in Europe and China and all those places, or does their union contracts not allow this?

Imagine Euroleague flooded with 400 players. It would be kind of amazing, and we'd get to see interesting combinations of players on the same team. Random combinations like Chris Paul and Dwight Howard on some Greek team. Lebron in China to replace McGrady as their icon.

Sure these elite players would prob have to take 8 million or so, untaxed, instead of their usual 15-23 million, but it's better than nothing.

1. David Stern has said several times now that max NBA contracts will be about $10 million under the new CBA. So there will be no such thing as $15-$23 million contracts for any NBA players anymore.

2. There is absolutely no way that a whole bunch of hundreds of NBA players can just go to Europe. Every single big domestic league, of which the teams that could conceivably pay them come from - all have strict rules about Bosman and non Bosman players.

For example in Spain, a team could sign 2 Americans, in Italy 3 Americans (4 if one of them had an Italian passport like Kobe does), in Turkey 3 Americans I believe, in Russia I believe it is 2 Americans, in Greece it is 3 Americans currently and the league's player union is doing everything it can to change it to just 2 Americans. In Israel is is 5 Americans. In Germany it is also 5 Americans. Israel and Germany would be where most Americans could go, but there would not be that many big contracts from those leagues like Israel and Germany, or even from Italy.

Now if you compare that against the number of clubs that would potentially be interested in giving out big contracts to American NBA players, then the amount of slots available is relatively small. Especially since many teams already have their slots for American players used up with guys that are already under guaranteed contracts.

There is a relatively small number of slots open for American NBA players in Europe. What would be most likely is that a small amount of big name American NBA players would get offers and that many of the European NBA players (the Bosman players) would get offers.

As for the Chinese Basketball Association, typically Chinese teams sign 1 or 2 Americans and the contracts are not that big, being comparatively much smaller than contracts in the Euroleague are. For example, Greece is probably the best bet these days for American players, as Greek clubs can currently sign 3 Americans and more than that if some of them have European passports and since they provide a domestic league that is competitive, unlike say Italy, Israel, or Germany, where a lot of Americans currently play under weak competition. Almost all of the Greek clubs, even most of the poor ones, have 3 American players and most of them include NBA draft picks and former NBA players.

But besides the big clubs, most of those Greek contracts going to Americans that came from the NBA are something like $100,000 net income to $150,000 net income. So figure like roughly about a $200,000 to $300,000 NBA contract. It would certainly be an enticement for some NBA players that have financial problems from spending too much money and having too many bills, but again, the amount of these contracts that are available is limited.

In Israel and Germany there are potentially lots of slots available to American players at what would amount to the same as about $300,000 to $500,000 in the NBA - the problem is that most of those clubs already have players signed under contract to those spots in those leagues so the places that are actually available are a lot less than it seems.

The most likely thing to happen would be some big name NBA players like LeBron, Wade, Kobe, Howard, Bosh, Paul - players like that getting signed, along with most of the European NBA players (the Bosman guys that have EU passports), guys like Okur, Hedo, Manu, Dirk, Scola, Calderon, Parker........

The typical, average American NBA player would be fighting for those leftover American slots in Greece, Spain, Russia, Italy, Turkey, Germany, Israel, China and there would not be close to enough places available to accommodate 400 plus something NBA players IMHO. The Adriatic clubs are another option, but most of them don't pay any salaries and most of them have huge debts, so NBA players could sign with some of those clubs, but it would not make any sense if it was because they had bills to pay.

JVGs World wrote:1. David Stern has said several times now that max NBA contracts will be about $10 million under the new CBA. So there will be no such thing as $15-$23 million contracts for any NBA players anymore.

2. There is absolutely no way that a whole bunch of hundreds of NBA players can just go to Europe. Every single big domestic league, of which the teams that could conceivably pay them come from - all have strict rules about Bosman and non Bosman players.

1. Just because David Stern may have said he would like all max contracts to be no more than $10M, doesn't make it so. That's just his opening salvo in a lengthy bargaining process. I doubt that when the league and the players agree on a new CBA sometime in 2012, there will be max deals quite a bit higher than $10M.
2. What's a Bosman player?

The Bosman rules is as famous in European sports circle as with the Bird rules is to NBA and the actual rules vary by country. In short, it's a restriction on how many "Non EU" players you can have in your roster/club.

For info if you're interested: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosman_ruling