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Re: The Desperate Nets Article 

Post#21 » by therealbig3 » Sat Mar 3, 2012 12:17 am

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Gek wrote:Why do you guys care so much? Obviously the author stands by his opinions or he would have never written and published the article.

I would like to make it known that I support Jon and liked the article. The truth just hurts, I suppose.


Come on now. He wrote that the Nets best option right now is to trade for Andray Blatche, and then build your franchise around him with Gerald Green as the other cornerstone. There is no way in hell you consider this the truth.


Okay... okay, at best it really should have been a blog post, but at the same time, it wasn't crazy. The Nets have really put all of their eggs in the Deron/Dwight basket at this point and it is really unfortunate that Lopez got hurt, but if Deron and Dwight leave Gerald Green and Andray Blatche are clearly the next best options. I could see how the article is construed as being terrible, at no point does he mention drafting Brandyn Curry.


Give me a break, if you can't see why that's absolutely ridiculous and would piss off any Nets fan, I don't know what to tell you.
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Re: The Desperate Nets Article 

Post#22 » by Gek » Sat Mar 3, 2012 12:46 am

I don't see what's ridiculous, both are just two underachieving, top 20 skill set players. Just give them 35 mpg and I bet you'll be surprised what happens!
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Re: The Desperate Nets Article 

Post#23 » by JoseRizal » Sat Mar 3, 2012 1:41 am

Gek wrote:I don't see what's ridiculous, both are just two underachieving, top 20 skill set players. Just give them 35 mpg and I bet you'll be surprised what happens!


You're beginning to climb Mt. TROLL.

Your opinion is rubbish, do some research about the team first before commenting.

The Nets have the following assets:
Brook Lopez
MarShon Brooks
2012 Nets 1st
2012 Rockets 1st
2012 2nd
Lots of expirings/Cap space
A brand new arena
Deep pocket owner

These are some of the assets the Nets could utilize in case they missed on DWIll/D12.

Hey! This is not the D-League where you can anchor Gerald Green & Andre Blatche as rebuilding pieces, you shoud've known better... :roll:

And for the life of me, I really don't understand how some of you would even agree with the so-called "award-winning freelance writer". This is ultimately an attempt to bash the Nets organization and fan base and nothing more. There's no LOGIC whatsoever on the merits of his article...
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Post#24 » by Gek » Sat Mar 3, 2012 3:07 am

I'd like to see Mar$wag do this:

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Post#25 » by LaLa » Sat Mar 3, 2012 3:37 am

The truth hurts? The Nets did do a reckless trade for Deron, that's not debatable. Has he signed a contract extension yet? Yeah I thought so. Plus Brooks and Lopez isn't much of a future, they aren't going to lead a team to a championship anytime soon.
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Re: The Desperate Nets Article 

Post#26 » by hermes » Sat Mar 3, 2012 3:43 am

LaLa wrote:The truth hurts? The Nets did do a reckless trade for Deron, that's not debatable. Has he signed a contract extension yet? Yeah I thought so. Plus Brooks and Lopez isn't much of a future, they aren't going to lead a team to a championship anytime soon.

what? lopez is great, he's going to take them places
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Re: The Desperate Nets Article 

Post#27 » by Sofa King » Sat Mar 3, 2012 3:49 am

JoseRizal wrote:The Nets have the following assets:
Brook Lopez
MarShon Brooks
2012 Nets 1st
2012 Rockets 1st
2012 2nd
Lots of expirings/Cap space
A brand new arena
Deep pocket owner


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Post#28 » by CR Reina » Sat Mar 3, 2012 3:49 pm

The argument of the article isn't that the Nets should abandon their pursuit of Dwight Howard in favor of Andray Blatche. It writes about how taking chances on players like Gerald Green is a good strategy in case they are unable to keep Deron and acquire Dwight.

One of the things that Jonathan writes about frequently is how many teams are stuck in mediocrity by not allowing themselves to be bad enough to get a high draft pick and not acquiring players with sufficient enough upside to make a true difference.

The title doesn't refer to their present situation, but what would happen in this scenario.

I hope this helps in understanding what was intended.
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Re: The Desperate Nets Article 

Post#29 » by CR Reina » Sat Mar 3, 2012 3:53 pm

kyphi wrote:Was it labeled as an opinion piece? Maybe RealGM should consider having that option beneath the by-line next to the author's name.


That's an interesting idea, but I feel like it implied that all articles and blogs are opinion and analysis. Wiretap is for reporting of news, quotes from players/coaches/scouts.
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Post#30 » by vincecarter4pres » Sat Mar 3, 2012 8:06 pm

It's exceptionally insulting that this article is not being taken down yet all threads about it on the GB get auto-locked or straight deleted.

Do you Admins and mods understand how incredibly idiotic this sounds?

Article on the main page of a forum based site, but the article is not allowed to be discussed by the members.

So yeah this is happening...
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Re: The Desperate Nets Article 

Post#31 » by Gek » Sat Mar 3, 2012 8:22 pm

CR Reina wrote:
kyphi wrote:Was it labeled as an opinion piece? Maybe RealGM should consider having that option beneath the by-line next to the author's name.


That's an interesting idea, but I feel like it implied that all articles and blogs are opinion and analysis. Wiretap is for reporting of news, quotes from players/coaches/scouts.



When I read an article, I assume a more neutral stand point unless listed as opinion as Kyphi said. That post struck me more as a blog post (which are usually for opinion pieces and sillier/fun articles imo).
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Re: The Desperate Nets Article 

Post#32 » by kyphi » Sat Mar 3, 2012 8:37 pm

I'm sure CR Reina knows the difference between an article and a blog, but grouping them together might come off badly unless each is labeled. If it isn't too much trouble, maybe?
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Post#33 » by SpeedyG » Sat Mar 3, 2012 10:30 pm

CR Reina wrote:The argument of the article isn't that the Nets should abandon their pursuit of Dwight Howard in favor of Andray Blatche. It writes about how taking chances on players like Gerald Green is a good strategy in case they are unable to keep Deron and acquire Dwight.

One of the things that Jonathan writes about frequently is how many teams are stuck in mediocrity by not allowing themselves to be bad enough to get a high draft pick and not acquiring players with sufficient enough upside to make a true difference.

The title doesn't refer to their present situation, but what would happen in this scenario.

I hope this helps in understanding what was intended.


Ask anyone who is a frequent visitor of the Nets board. I don't think you'll find a forum as Pro-TANK as this Nets board. Has been for as long as I signed up here (since 2003 and counting). We see the value in being so bad that we stink it up. We've always criticized the stance of many teams who try and stay a 1st/2nd round exit team with no cap flexibility as opposed to those who gut their team and start over.

I mean, how did we get Deron Williams in the first place? By pawning off the fruit of our 12 win season in Derrick Favors.

If the author's intention with the article is what you state it is, then once again it illustrates just how misinformed he is, and has no business writing for a (what is trying to establish itself as) legitimate sports website. ..or at least a team that he does not follow and know little about (stick to your Mavs!)

Gerald Green? OK, yeah. We all get that. Every Nets fan who watched that DLeague All-Star was thinking "Why didn't we sign this guy instead of Emmett again?"

Blatche? No, not even close.

Blatche is the anti-thesis of the kind of player teams (with the exception of a veteran team with strong locker room leadership and maybe needing that one extra "oomph" to get over the hump and win the ring) that are rebuilding should get.

Loose canon. Bad work ethic. Low basketball IQ. More importantly, $30M over 4 years. (including this year, till 14/15) that is basically untradeable. Just ask the Wizards.

If he was making the minimum like Green? Yeah, then what the author said makes somewhat of a sense, IF he stated that guys like Blatche was someone the team can take a chance on. Instead, he used Blatche as an example of someone to BUILD your team on.

There is a huge, huge, HUGE difference between the two.

Basically, the author can claim two things:

First is that he completely misrepresented his point, because if what you said was what he was really trying to convey, then he failed miserably as a writer, as nobody understood his article for what he intended it to be.

The second would be that he was completely misinformed about the Nets situation to the point that his opinion piece on the state of the team was viewed by just about every single person who read it as a troll or joke article. In which case, he failed miserably as a sports writer, and had no business writing an article for a team for which he did neither know a lot of nor did its research on.
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Re: The Desperate Nets Article 

Post#34 » by Gek » Sun Mar 4, 2012 5:02 am

kyphi wrote:I'm sure CR Reina knows the difference between an article and a blog, but grouping them together might come off badly unless each is labeled. If it isn't too much trouble, maybe?


I wasn't trying to insult CR Reina's intelligence, I was just offering up my point of view as a regular reader of RealGM and blogs/news sites in general.
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Re: The Desperate Nets Article 

Post#35 » by kyphi » Sun Mar 4, 2012 2:45 pm

Gek wrote:
kyphi wrote:I'm sure CR Reina knows the difference between an article and a blog, but grouping them together might come off badly unless each is labeled. If it isn't too much trouble, maybe?


I wasn't trying to insult CR Reina's intelligence, I was just offering up my point of view as a regular reader of RealGM and blogs/news sites in general.


I know that, Gek, we've talked enough to know I wouldn't insult you on purpose - just putting in my two cents to try to avoid situations like this in the future. I apologize to you.
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Re: The Desperate Nets Article 

Post#36 » by JKNICKS67 » Sun Mar 4, 2012 5:26 pm

I was extremely disappointed after reading the article and I went back to read a few more by tjarks and noticed he is actually pretty biased, and if I'm not mistaken a mavs homer my speculation though. I just wanted to say that the argument that he was saying that the nets should takes chances on low risk high reward guys doesn't hold weight. If you read the article he's clearly saying that Blanche IS there best option and they don't have many other choices after Dwight/deron. Im not mad though just will not take any articles on here seriously. No one comes here for articles anyway lets be honest. This site is turning into Beecher report. :lol: :lol:
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Re: The Desperate Nets Article 

Post#37 » by Dr Positivity » Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:54 pm

From a recent Tjarks article:

In any NBA trade value chart, the only player that should rank higher than Bynum is LeBron James.


Calling Bynum more valuable than Rose or Durant is simply moronic
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Post#38 » by Howard Mass » Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:11 am

I think he just values a big man more.
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Re: The Desperate Nets Article 

Post#39 » by JackFinn » Sun May 6, 2012 5:50 am

Could you imagine if they ever let a guy like Tjarks interview NBA players? I truly believe there's a 10% chance they would use the word 'troll' on him. Too bad this would never happen. Because if it did, I imagine it would go like this:








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Post#40 » by Howard Mass » Sun May 6, 2012 1:05 pm

No need to unearth this topic.
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