Moderator complaint - LittleOzzy

[ratul]

I have a serious complaint - I feel the Raptor moderator LittleOzzy has become excessive in his locking of threads - this has reduced the raptor board to a depressing and boring pit of fear. The latest example is this thread - viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1048747

It is basketball and Raptor related. I spoke to Ozzy regarding these matters and he first told me that Youtube videos were against the RealGM code of conduct - having reviewed the codes - it is clear it is not - especially given that other teams regularly put up youtube videos and given that RealGM has a youtube option when you put up a message!

Then I was told that the video was old and everyone had 'seen it already'. Now, this is so much more dubious - I hadn't seen the video and it was great and given the thread had 2400 views, it sounds like others had not seen the video or at least enjoyed the thread.

This has become excessive and I believe others feel the same way - this is unacceptable.

[DelaneyRudd]

viewtopic.php?f=191&t=812773

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[ratul]

Well, now I've been given three seperate reasons for the locking of this thread - the first is that youtube videos are not allowed, the second is that everyone had 'seen the video anyway' and third is that you don't like the title. Why not just change the title then?

While I appreciate the moderators right to edit and remove a post, this is why I am complaining - this thread should not have been locked - there is not a legitimate explanation and that is why this feedback sub forum exists - I'm sorry - but wielding excessive locking power will only serve to push people away from the site, is bad for business, and is plain and simply idiotic - this is a basketball forum, not whitehouse.gov

[DelaneyRudd]

There was nothing of value in that thread worth cluttering up a busy board like the Raptor board.

[ratul]

There was nothing of value in that thread worth cluttering up a busy board like the Raptor board.

Um, so now this is the fourth reason.

1. Youtube video's are not allowed
2. It was already 'seen'
3. The title was not descriptive
4. There was 'nothing of value.'

This is, plain and simply, idiotic - moderators should filter for swearing and abusive threads, not legitimate raptors related content that 2400 (!) users thought was interesting - more than all the other bs threads on that board.

Seriously - get a grip - the knicks board is cluttered, but at least it is entertaining and not run by lock fiends.

[DelaneyRudd]

Those are all great reasons, well except the 1st one which I think you are misinterpreting. It's more like 1 and 4 go together. You can post youtubes, but it has to be an impetus towards further discussion, not just HEY LOOK!

[ratul]

Those are all great reasons, well except the 1st one which I think you are misinterpreting. It's more like 1 and 4 go together. You can post youtubes, but it has to be an impetus towards further discussion, not just HEY LOOK!

From Ozzy

"Single youtube videos do not deserve there own thread.

Next time PM a mod if you want to ask about a thread or a warning will be issued."


Basically, this is all a bunch of shi* - you guys are making up rules as you go along and hiding behind rules that not exist, or are not relevant.

[Schad]

Those are all great reasons, well except the 1st one which I think you are misinterpreting. It's more like 1 and 4 go together. You can post youtubes, but it has to be an impetus towards further discussion, not just HEY LOOK!

From Ozzy

"Single youtube videos do not deserve there own thread.

Next time PM a mod if you want to ask about a thread or a warning will be issued."


Basically, this is all a bunch of shi* - you guys are making up rules as you go along and hiding behind rules that not exist, or are not relevant.

Single YouTube videos from a few years ago, featuring a player who is no longer with the team, no additional commentary, or really anything of value, is going to get locked.

[ratul]

Those are all great reasons, well except the 1st one which I think you are misinterpreting. It's more like 1 and 4 go together. You can post youtubes, but it has to be an impetus towards further discussion, not just HEY LOOK!

From Ozzy

"Single youtube videos do not deserve there own thread.

Next time PM a mod if you want to ask about a thread or a warning will be issued."


Basically, this is all a bunch of shi* - you guys are making up rules as you go along and hiding behind rules that not exist, or are not relevant.

Single YouTube videos from a few years ago, featuring a player who is no longer with the team, no additional commentary, or really anything of value, is going to get locked.

And, why? it is not against the RealGM code of conduct - no where does it state such parameters. Would the Chicago board lock a thread on Michael Jordan, or if the shot were made by Jose?

There is no justifiable reason, other than - we just feel like locking random shi*. It is NOT against the rules, which should be the ONLY parameter for locking a thread - as stated in the rules and regulations of RealGM.

[Schad]

And, why? it is not against the RealGM code of conduct - no where does it state such parameters. Would the Chicago board lock a thread on Michael Jordan, or if the shot were made by Jose?

I guarantee you that if someone just posted a video of Jordan's shot over Russell with no commentary, it would be locked, yes.

There is no justifiable reason, other than - we just feel like locking random shi*. It is NOT against the rules, which should be the ONLY parameter for locking a thread - as stated in the rules and regulations of RealGM.

Or, I dunno, we prefer to have threads that have some content, as it's a discussion forum.

[ratul]

It had 2400 views, people were talking about it and adding other links - that sounds like a discussion to me - which I was participating in. Honestly, I think the rules of realgm need to be followed, rather than making them up on the spot.

[itbobby007]

You should start your own board. That way you can make the rules.

[ratul]

You should start your own board. That way you can make the rules.

Why don't you become a moderator somewhere else? This is a feedback forum, where I am allowed to provide feedback - just chill out on the friggin locks - what's the point of a feedback forum if I all get is other anal mods trying to throw down without any answers from others.

[LLcoleJ]

You should start your own board. That way you can make the rules.

Why don't you become a moderator somewhere else? This is a feedback forum, where I am allowed to provide feedback - just chill out on the friggin locks - what's the point of a feedback forum if I all get is other anal mods trying to throw down without any answers from others.

So the only answer that is acceptable to you, is one that says "you're right!" ?

Having read this thread it comes down to this.

Mods have discretion of what they feel is a good discussion thread and what is not. Posting a title that is open ended ( NOOOOOO) and then just a youtube video is not really a discussion driven thread.

It's clear you don't agree with that, but that again falls under the discretion of the mod.

Now, saying it has 2400 views or whatever is not a supporting case. I can start a thread on traffic heavy board that is devoid of thought and lures people to click the link and it would still get views, doesn't make it a good thread.

At the end of the day, think out the threads you create, put some content and make it relevant and you won't have anything to worry about.

This is a free and private website. We reserve the right to lock threads as we see fit.

[YogiStewart]

You should start your own board. That way you can make the rules.

Why don't you become a moderator somewhere else? This is a feedback forum, where I am allowed to provide feedback - just chill out on the friggin locks - what's the point of a feedback forum if I all get is other anal mods trying to throw down without any answers from others.

people are providing your feedback with feedback. you ask a question and they're posting answers. no need to get frazzled from it.

the world is not against you. Oz is a great mod. your thread was pretty pointless.

so here's our take-home message to you:
don't post a random video from years back and not have any discussion behind it. if your post was to show videos to compare Weems to Carter and you gave reasons why you thought this, then great. justification is present.

but your video was certainly not needed. sorry if the truth isn't what you want to hear.

[Flash3]

This is done on the GB, as well. Phil can chime in on this since he's a mod on the GB as well.

If a poster posts a YT video with no real points of discussion, the thread more times than not gets locked.

[darth_federer]

John Stockton was the guy who started the thread right? Why are you so upset?

[ratul]

So the only answer that is acceptable to you, is one that says "you're right!" ?

Having read this thread it comes down to this.

Mods have discretion of what they feel is a good discussion thread and what is not. Posting a title that is open ended ( NOOOOOO) and then just a youtube video is not really a discussion driven thread.

It's clear you don't agree with that, but that again falls under the discretion of the mod.

Now, saying it has 2400 views or whatever is not a supporting case. I can start a thread on traffic heavy board that is devoid of thought and lures people to click the link and it would still get views, doesn't make it a good thread.

At the end of the day, think out the threads you create, put some content and make it relevant and you won't have anything to worry about.

This is a free and private website. We reserve the right to lock threads as we see fit.

Honestly - the discretion actually is not in the rules - nowhere does it say in the rules that Mods have the discretion to 'lock a thread' - it just says they have the right to edit or delete. Locking should only be used for abusive, and derogatory language - your 'locking' priveleges are being abused, and all the mods are silly backtracking trying to make excuses.

I'm sorry, but there was interesting discussion, i certainly had not seen the video (not all of us spend our days on this forum) and frankly, 2 pages of discussion plus 2400 views is valid enough.

Discussion can be sparked by anything - and should be welcomed - rather than create a depressing pit of fear that discourages discussion - that's what this forum is about, not mods making up random rules and abusing their privelege.

[ratul]

You should start your own board. That way you can make the rules.

Why don't you become a moderator somewhere else? This is a feedback forum, where I am allowed to provide feedback - just chill out on the friggin locks - what's the point of a feedback forum if I all get is other anal mods trying to throw down without any answers from others.

people are providing your feedback with feedback. you ask a question and they're posting answers. no need to get frazzled from it.

the world is not against you. Oz is a great mod. your thread was pretty pointless.

so here's our take-home message to you:
don't post a random video from years back and not have any discussion behind it. if your post was to show videos to compare Weems to Carter and you gave reasons why you thought this, then great. justification is present.

but your video was certainly not needed. sorry if the truth isn't what you want to hear.

I'm not frazzled - I find it pretty stupid that there is a feedback forum and all it is other moderators sticking up for one another. Oz is a bad mod - he overlocks based on spurious rules and abuses his priveleges, and is ruining the raptor board. I am sorry if you don't like to hear that, but it's clear the raptor board has become eminently boring.

Again, it should be users choice to determine what is or is not interesting - not mods - mods are there to regulate abusive language, trolling etc - not determine what quality discussion is or is not.

[LLcoleJ]

Honestly - the discretion actually is not in the rules - nowhere does it say in the rules that Mods have the discretion to 'lock a thread' - it just says they have the right to edit or delete. Locking should only be used for abusive, and derogatory language - your 'locking' priveleges are being abused, and all the mods are silly backtracking trying to make excuses.

I'm sorry, but there was interesting discussion, i certainly had not seen the video (not all of us spend our days on this forum) and frankly, 2 pages of discussion plus 2400 views is valid enough.

Discussion can be sparked by anything - and should be welcomed - rather than create a depressing pit of fear that discourages discussion - that's what this forum is about, not mods making up random rules and abusing their privelege.

Well that sounds like you have a foundation for your own website.

At this site, Mods have discretion to lock sites and will continue to do so.

This site is a privilege not a right. If you don't like the way it's run, it's your right to post elsewhere. It's our right to lock threads we feel are not good. Yours in this case, was not.

Sorry.