New Ban - System

[Captain_Obvious]

I suggest a new form of banning posters from certain boards and not just from the whole forum. Its possible as there are boards where deleted posts and/or threads go to.
So a banned poster simply cant see the board he is banned from.

In the past insightful, elder posters were banned because of questionable activities on the OT- Board or stupid/ignorant believes on the Current Affaires board.
But this loss of "substance" really hurt RealGM IMO, so i would appreciate a new form of saving their Bskball-knowledge for the rest.

[MagicFan3]

Sounds good to me, but I'm biased I guess.

[bleu]

I think that sounds great.

[HCYanks]

So... posters shouldn't be accountable for how they post on the OT-boards, because if worst comes to worst, they can still go on the basketball boards?

[Captain_Obvious]

So... posters shouldn't be accountable for how they post on the OT-boards, because if worst comes to worst, they can still go on the basketball boards?

Posters are accountable for their posts. But Moderators have more options to deal with posters who don't learn their lessons. If it is not acceptable at all, it's still possible to ban the poster.

For example lets look at two of the more public cases:
Peppersquad of the Dallas board, who has one of the biggest post-counts overall, and Tom Chambers, an insightful poster on basketball-related.

For what i know in both cases warnings and suspensions were dealt for trolling on Spurs boards (Pepper) or different political views (Tom).
Now it would be easier to cope with trolls by simply banning them from your board and only to hand out warnings and suspensions when personal attacks occur.

With more tools in the hand of a Moderator it is possible to draw the line clearer what behaviour will result in suspensions, public warnings, banning from a board (team, offtopic, affairs) or even banning from the forum. Their would be more escalation levels, which order would've to be defined. It opens a backdoor for posters who actually grow up and learn their lesson over time.

Also it's in the best interest of RealGM to keep insightful posters.
It's actually easy to program.

[theGreatRC]

I wouldn't call the people who got banned insightful, elder posters.

[Captain_Obvious]

I wouldn't call the people who got banned insightful, elder posters.

Insightful, elder related to Basketball, in that context. Neither did I generalize it to all banned posters.

[kyphi]

Mods have talked about this - most of us would like that option, as well. Unfortunately, the way RealGM is set up, they cannot do that. It would be sweet, I agree.

[MagicFan3]

Mods have talked about this - most of us would like that option, as well. Unfortunately, the way RealGM is set up, they cannot do that. It would be sweet, I agree.

Really? It seems reasonably easy. Just create a new user group and deny that group access to the OTB.

[Pats19andO]

sounds good

[Black Jesus 1]

They can't do it? Then how do they deny regular posters from Mods R Us to where only the mods can view?

[Captain_Obvious]

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Really? It seems reasonably easy. Just create a new user group and deny that group access to the OTB.

Exactly. That method is not efficient to give every mod a "mini-admin" power, there would've to be like 40! (faculty) user groups, but it would be possible to just test it with OT board first and/or Current Affaires. I few weeks ago i set up my own forum and this is a no-issue honestly.

The guest group for example can see all basketball-related, cant see general discussions and has no write right.

[kyphi]

come on, the general NBA board should be first

[Captain_Obvious]

come on, the general NBA board should be first

I this directed at me? Should be first for what?

[LLcoleJ]

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Posters are accountable for their posts. But Moderators have more options to deal with posters who don't learn their lessons. If it is not acceptable at all, it's still possible to ban the poster.

For example lets look at two of the more public cases:
Peppersquad of the Dallas board, who has one of the biggest post-counts overall, and Tom Chambers, an insightful poster on basketball-related.

For what i know in both cases warnings and suspensions were dealt for trolling on Spurs boards (Pepper) or different political views (Tom).
Now it would be easier to cope with trolls by simply banning them from your board and only to hand out warnings and suspensions when personal attacks occur.

With more tools in the hand of a Moderator it is possible to draw the line clearer what behaviour will result in suspensions, public warnings, banning from a board (team, offtopic, affairs) or even banning from the forum. Their would be more escalation levels, which order would've to be defined. It opens a backdoor for posters who actually grow up and learn their lesson over time.

Also it's in the best interest of RealGM to keep insightful posters.
It's actually easy to program.

Thats the point. You dont know all that is going on. All posters ( who are not a blatant disruption) are given the same set of guidelines.

You might not know every warning they have on every or any board and feel they were wronged. That is just not the case.
Warnings and infractions are all documented and when you reach and exceed those its your time

Its up to the posters to recognize where they want to go. They are all given explanations via PM for warnings and suspensions and frankly, should know better.

[Captain_Obvious]

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Thats the point. You dont know all that is going on. All posters ( who are not a blatant disruption) are given the same set of guidelines.

You might not know every warning they have on every or any board and feel they were wronged. That is just not the case.
Warnings and infractions are all documented and when you reach and exceed those its your time

Its up to the posters to recognize where they want to go. They are all given explanations via PM for warnings and suspensions and frankly, should know better.

Well, i figured thats the way Mods deal with "that" all along, that requires a lot of communication though.
I should have put Poster A and Poster B, that was the way i wanted to go earlier, but i think that way is no better or has more truth.
Because i agree with the bolded part in your post. Every poster should have the right to express himself entirely or nothing at all, nothing in between. If you guys really deal with every poster in the sense of seeing him/her in the "big picture", there's no point in "amputating" a part of his right to express himself. You earn that right or lose it entirely, i agree with that.

[Friend_Of_Haley]

If a poster is going to "mature" they're much more likely to do it if they are suspended from the whole site for a few days, rather than just one board.

I was suspended for my behavior on the OTB about a year ago. I bet if I would have just been denied access to that board I wouldn't have taken it as seriously, but those three days or whatever it was sucked because I couldn't participate at all. If I could have still gone on the Bulls Board or any other board, my attitude would much more likely be, "I can just buy my time on here until they let me back on the OTB"

But that may not be true for everyone I guess.

[Schad]

There's also the problem of creating roving trolls...if an individual is primarily a problem on one board, and gets banned there, it's rather likely that they will find other place to start trouble. Then you keep bumping them from locale to locale, until they are eventually left with only the CBA/Business Related board to troll. Sad times all around.

Now, I do consider it a good idea with the Off-Topic section. Rather than banning posters from each specific board, I would be happy to have a mechanism in place that restricts access to CA/OTB/ML...especially with CA, even semi-rational people can go overboard (though it takes effort to go overboard enough to get banned).

But if someone's problem is simply that they so lack in emotional control that 'My player >>> your player' sends them into a paroxysm of anger, boo hoo.

[kyphi]

what? we're a bunch of sociopaths? I don't see any difference between being a "cancer" on the OT, CA, ML boards and sports-related boards. A person can either discuss intelligently regardless of the subject or get swept up in emotions. If a poster on the sports' boards uses foul language and makes personal attacks, I understand the reasons of suspensions/bannings. The non-sports' boards deserve the same considerations. You're telling me that if someone continually violates the terms of use on the non-sports' boards, they still can post on the sports' ones? That ain't fair, dude.

So, I guess I've changed my views after thinking more about this. If someone came to, say, the raps' board and wished death on another poster or repeatedly called them vulgarities, then, yes, that poster should be banned. What some of you are saying (or so I think) is that it's ok if they do that on non-sports' boards. And it simply isn't.

[Buck You]

Usually the banned posters dig their own graves and get a ton of suspensions and or warnings. But your idea is very good.