Kevin Durant 'Not Happy' To Be In Trade Talks, Likely Heading Toward Offseason Trade

[Pickled Prunes]

Suns biggest mistake was trading CP3 when they didn't have to. Suns became contenders overnight by just simply adding CP3 to their roster. The season before they didn't even make playoffs and with CP3 they won over 60 games the next season. They got KD and had no reason to trade him for Beal when he was the reason the Suns were winning.

Exactly this. If I were the Suns, I would have seen if the Spurs were interested in Beal for CP3 and salary fillers and if Beal was interested in joining the Spurs after the Spurs got Fox.

Beal made it abundantly clear he wasn't interesting in moving, period. MIA was on his short list before he was traded to PHX and didn't want to go as part of the Butler trade, so why in the hell would he choose SA over MIA?

Beal would have been happy to go to SA with Fox and Wemby. I promise you that PHX had multiple conversations with all 29 other teams. Nobody that had a shot at winning in the next two years wanted anything to do with Beal's contract.

[Pickled Prunes]

KD is so stupid

Suns are cooked he could’ve gone to Houston or Memphis and completed for a chip

Rockets were not an option.

They weren't willing to upset the roster this season, even for KD (per Marc Stein and others)

Houston was always waiting until summer -- wanted to take a shot with this core first, like OKC did -- before chasing a big vet

If KD wanted out and could be had for the right price, I'm sure anyone would trade for him.

HOU doesn't have the matching salary to make this work. They would be trading multiple rotation players to make this work and would end up getting worse. It wouldn't be worth it for them, even if no picks were involved. They will be serious contenders right about the time KD retires.

[Slim Charless]

There go cupcake again

Seriously

I can't wait till he gets his jersey retired in OKC. You just know he's gonna find some issue with it, and sulk about it for years after. The guy is unreal.

We'll be trading KD to the Thunder in the off-season after they don't win the title. They'll be looking for a big time vet to play next to SGA and the prodigal son will return home to bring his 1st team a chip.

That's really like the only team left in the league that he can save face with. He brings a title to OKC and his career has a sort of redemption.

[Beethoven]

Come to the Lakers... come...

[Pickled Prunes]

Seriously

I can't wait till he gets his jersey retired in OKC. You just know he's gonna find some issue with it, and sulk about it for years after. The guy is unreal.

We'll be trading KD to the Thunder in the off-season after they don't win the title. They'll be looking for a big time vet to play next to SGA and the prodigal son will return home to bring his 1st team a chip.

That's really like the only team left in the league that he can save face with. He brings a title to OKC and his career has a sort of redemption.

It would be a great story, but his career and legacy are fine.
17 Years Of Service - NBA's Top 75, 4x Gold Medalist, 2x NBA Champion, MVP, 2x Finals MVP, 6x All-NBA 1st, ROY, 15x All-Star

He has a right to be unhappy. Fans have the right to be unhappy about his unhappiness.

[jstudabaka]

I can't wait till he gets his jersey retired in OKC. You just know he's gonna find some issue with it, and sulk about it for years after. The guy is unreal.

We'll be trading KD to the Thunder in the off-season after they don't win the title. They'll be looking for a big time vet to play next to SGA and the prodigal son will return home to bring his 1st team a chip.

That's really like the only team left in the league that he can save face with. He brings a title to OKC and his career has a sort of redemption.

It would be a great story, but his career and legacy are fine.
17 Years Of Service - NBA's Top 75, 4x Gold Medalist, 2x NBA Champion, MVP, 2x Finals MVP, 6x All-NBA 1st, ROY, 15x All-Star

He has a right to be unhappy. Fans have the right to be unhappy about his unhappiness.

I don't think his legacy is fine. Like, I'd say he's won, had tons of individual success, made a ton of money, so why should he care what we peon fans think--only it's clear by every indication that he does very much care lol. And the reality is that his legacy is not half of what it would have been had had won an "alpha" title with "his" team as "the" guy. If he had even one, KD would possibly be thought of as a fringe-top 10 guy. As it stands he's like top 20ish guy

[Ballerhogger]

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[Slim Charless]

We'll be trading KD to the Thunder in the off-season after they don't win the title. They'll be looking for a big time vet to play next to SGA and the prodigal son will return home to bring his 1st team a chip.

That's really like the only team left in the league that he can save face with. He brings a title to OKC and his career has a sort of redemption.

It would be a great story, but his career and legacy are fine.
17 Years Of Service - NBA's Top 75, 4x Gold Medalist, 2x NBA Champion, MVP, 2x Finals MVP, 6x All-NBA 1st, ROY, 15x All-Star

He has a right to be unhappy. Fans have the right to be unhappy about his unhappiness.

I don't think his legacy is fine. Like, I'd say he's won, had tons of individual success, made a ton of money, so why should he care what we peon fans think--only it's clear by every indication that he does very much care lol. And the reality is that his legacy is not half of what it would have been had had won an "alpha" title with "his" team as "the" guy. If he had even one, KD would possibly be thought of as a fringe-top 10 guy. As it stands he's like top 20ish guy

If he returned "home" and brought a title to OKC (if they fail this year) then I think it helps out his legacy a ton. Might even alter what some people think of him

[Pickled Prunes]

We'll be trading KD to the Thunder in the off-season after they don't win the title. They'll be looking for a big time vet to play next to SGA and the prodigal son will return home to bring his 1st team a chip.

That's really like the only team left in the league that he can save face with. He brings a title to OKC and his career has a sort of redemption.

It would be a great story, but his career and legacy are fine.
17 Years Of Service - NBA's Top 75, 4x Gold Medalist, 2x NBA Champion, MVP, 2x Finals MVP, 6x All-NBA 1st, ROY, 15x All-Star

He has a right to be unhappy. Fans have the right to be unhappy about his unhappiness.

I don't think his legacy is fine. Like, I'd say he's won, had tons of individual success, made a ton of money, so why should he care what we peon fans think--only it's clear by every indication that he does very much care lol. And the reality is that his legacy is not half of what it would have been had had won an "alpha" title with "his" team as "the" guy. If he had even one, KD would possibly be thought of as a fringe-top 10 guy. As it stands he's like top 20ish guy

Everyone cares what other people think of them. It's part of the human condition. But he has two Finals MVP; he was the alpha in GSW. While he was there, I think it bugged him that a lot of fans didn't see it that way, but when he becomes a unanimous, first-ballot HOF selection, only the most bitter fans will remember today's headlines. He is one of the greats and he will be remembered as such.

If you want to amend his legacy because...
...he was the first one to see that Westbrook's stats were irrelevant and Donovan's coaching was insufficient to win at the highest level.
...the fans gave him endless crap for jumping on the GSW bandwagon.
...Draymond is an A-hole!
...he tore his Achilles.
...Covid happened and Kyrie lost his mind!
...the Suns added Beal instead of depth.

I understand, these are all thing Durant had to deal with while we watched from a distance. But all of that is irrelevant. Durant hasn't averaged less than 25/6 since his rookie season (2008) and has done so with great efficiency! His teams haven't had a losing record since his sophomore season. Since his third year, Durant has a .689 win%!!! Three teams have a record higher than that this season and KD has done it on four teams over 15 seasons. These are the things people will remember when he hangs 'em up... His legacy is set!

[Pickled Prunes]

It would be a great story, but his career and legacy are fine.
17 Years Of Service - NBA's Top 75, 4x Gold Medalist, 2x NBA Champion, MVP, 2x Finals MVP, 6x All-NBA 1st, ROY, 15x All-Star

He has a right to be unhappy. Fans have the right to be unhappy about his unhappiness.

I don't think his legacy is fine. Like, I'd say he's won, had tons of individual success, made a ton of money, so why should he care what we peon fans think--only it's clear by every indication that he does very much care lol. And the reality is that his legacy is not half of what it would have been had had won an "alpha" title with "his" team as "the" guy. If he had even one, KD would possibly be thought of as a fringe-top 10 guy. As it stands he's like top 20ish guy

If he returned "home" and brought a title to OKC (if they fail this year) then I think it helps out his legacy a ton. Might even alter what some people think of him

His "legacy" and "what people think of him" are two different things. If likeability were a factor, Brian Grant would be in the HOF.

[shrink]

It would be a great story, but his career and legacy are fine.
17 Years Of Service - NBA's Top 75, 4x Gold Medalist, 2x NBA Champion, MVP, 2x Finals MVP, 6x All-NBA 1st, ROY, 15x All-Star

He has a right to be unhappy. Fans have the right to be unhappy about his unhappiness.

Great post. I’m not much on player empowerment, but if anyone deserves to say no to a team, Durant has earned that right.

[jstudabaka]

It would be a great story, but his career and legacy are fine.
17 Years Of Service - NBA's Top 75, 4x Gold Medalist, 2x NBA Champion, MVP, 2x Finals MVP, 6x All-NBA 1st, ROY, 15x All-Star

He has a right to be unhappy. Fans have the right to be unhappy about his unhappiness.

I don't think his legacy is fine. Like, I'd say he's won, had tons of individual success, made a ton of money, so why should he care what we peon fans think--only it's clear by every indication that he does very much care lol. And the reality is that his legacy is not half of what it would have been had had won an "alpha" title with "his" team as "the" guy. If he had even one, KD would possibly be thought of as a fringe-top 10 guy. As it stands he's like top 20ish guy

Everyone cares what other people think of them. It's part of the human condition. But he has two Finals MVP; he was the alpha in GSW. While he was there, I think it bugged him that a lot of fans didn't see it that way, but when he becomes a unanimous, first-ballot HOF selection, only the most bitter fans will remember today's headlines. He is one of the greats and he will be remembered as such.

If you want to amend his legacy because...
...he was the first one to see that Westbrook's stats were irrelevant and Donovan's coaching was insufficient to win at the highest level.
...the fans gave him endless crap for jumping on the GSW bandwagon.
...Draymond is an A-hole!
...he tore his Achilles.
...Covid happened and Kyrie lost his mind!
...the Suns added Beal instead of depth.

I understand, these are all thing Durant had to deal with while we watched from a distance. But all of that is irrelevant. Durant hasn't averaged less than 25/6 since his rookie season (2008) and has done so with great efficiency! His teams haven't had a losing record since his sophomore season. Since his third year, Durant has a .689 win%!!! Three teams have a record higher than that this season and KD has done it on four teams over 15 seasons. These are the things people will remember when he hangs 'em up... His legacy is set!

This is all the charitable, "best light" narrative for KD's career, which isn't typically how legacies work. If anything, the more potential a player had, the less lenient fans and historians of the game are in evaluating their legacy. There is no doubt that KD is cemented as a top 20-30ish guy. However, the negatives will always be there and probably keep him out of most top-10 conversations, which he probably could have been a part of if he played a couple things differently. The same way many point to Lebron's 4-6 Finals record and his team hopping, Wilt Chamberlain's poor Finals record, Karl Malone never winning a chip -- these things stick. The team-hopping and lack of an "alpha" title will be major asterisks on his record. KD joining Steph's 73-9 team was never going to count as a an "alpha" title while Steph was still a top guy. Had he stayed there, KD at least wouldn't have the "malcontent" label--which seems earned after this now being the 4th situation he's asking out of where there's drama.

It is what it is. The only reason I'm harping on it a bit is that KD demonstrates more than most a preoccupation with how he's perceived by the media and fans.

[jstudabaka]

It would be a great story, but his career and legacy are fine.
17 Years Of Service - NBA's Top 75, 4x Gold Medalist, 2x NBA Champion, MVP, 2x Finals MVP, 6x All-NBA 1st, ROY, 15x All-Star

He has a right to be unhappy. Fans have the right to be unhappy about his unhappiness.

I don't think his legacy is fine. Like, I'd say he's won, had tons of individual success, made a ton of money, so why should he care what we peon fans think--only it's clear by every indication that he does very much care lol. And the reality is that his legacy is not half of what it would have been had had won an "alpha" title with "his" team as "the" guy. If he had even one, KD would possibly be thought of as a fringe-top 10 guy. As it stands he's like top 20ish guy

If he returned "home" and brought a title to OKC (if they fail this year) then I think it helps out his legacy a ton. Might even alter what some people think of him

It could help, but it could also be seen as another Golden State/bandwagon-hopping thing. Basically for that to work, OKC would need to fail this year and the next year he would need to be super-clutch.

[Slim Charless]

I don't think his legacy is fine. Like, I'd say he's won, had tons of individual success, made a ton of money, so why should he care what we peon fans think--only it's clear by every indication that he does very much care lol. And the reality is that his legacy is not half of what it would have been had had won an "alpha" title with "his" team as "the" guy. If he had even one, KD would possibly be thought of as a fringe-top 10 guy. As it stands he's like top 20ish guy

If he returned "home" and brought a title to OKC (if they fail this year) then I think it helps out his legacy a ton. Might even alter what some people think of him

It could help, but it could also be seen as another Golden State/bandwagon-hopping thing. Basically for that to work, OKC would need to fail this year and the next year he would need to be super-clutch.

I think both of those things are legit possibilities as I like Denver to win it all. OKC pushes their chips (some) into the center and grabs KD. He's the legit #1 but can defer as he's cool like that. SGA allows him to chill in the season and not get injured, then KD takes over in the playoffs and brings a title "home".

Redeems his story.

[jstudabaka]

If he returned "home" and brought a title to OKC (if they fail this year) then I think it helps out his legacy a ton. Might even alter what some people think of him

It could help, but it could also be seen as another Golden State/bandwagon-hopping thing. Basically for that to work, OKC would need to fail this year and the next year he would need to be super-clutch.

I think both of those things are legit possibilities as I like Denver to win it all. OKC pushes their chips (some) into the center and grabs KD. He's the legit #1 but can defer as he's cool like that. SGA allows him to chill in the season and not get injured, then KD takes over in the playoffs and brings a title "home".

Redeems his story.

That would be interesting and compelling. The main stumbling block in the way I see is how Presti and the Thunder operate. They want young, controllable talent and I don't think are going to mess around with the financial commitments that result in so many penalties in this CBA. I think they fully intend on using a lot of their picks to patch holes down the road as some of their players get too expensive and they let them walk. That said, it would make a lot of sense for Presti to push the chips to the center of the table this offseason -- they have as many as 4 1sts this year and can't possibly use them all. So a package revolving around the 2025 picks and matching salary from some combo of Dortz, Caruso, and Hartenstein for an expiring KD would make a ton of sense as a "chips to the center of the table move." KD would be such a perfect fit, since the Thunder's main struggle is occasional offensive inconsistency and shooting slumps.

[jstudabaka]

If he returned "home" and brought a title to OKC (if they fail this year) then I think it helps out his legacy a ton. Might even alter what some people think of him

It could help, but it could also be seen as another Golden State/bandwagon-hopping thing. Basically for that to work, OKC would need to fail this year and the next year he would need to be super-clutch.

I think both of those things are legit possibilities as I like Denver to win it all. OKC pushes their chips (some) into the center and grabs KD. He's the legit #1 but can defer as he's cool like that. SGA allows him to chill in the season and not get injured, then KD takes over in the playoffs and brings a title "home".

Redeems his story.

That would be interesting and compelling. The main stumbling block in the way I see is how Presti and the Thunder operate. They want young, controllable talent and I don't think are going to mess around with the financial commitments that result in so many penalties in this CBA. I think they fully intend on using a lot of their picks to patch holes down the road as some of their players get too expensive and they let them walk. That said, it would make a lot of sense for Presti to push the chips to the center of the table this offseason -- they have as many as 4 1sts this year and can't possibly use them all. So a package revolving around the 2025 picks and matching salary from some combo of Dortz, Caruso, and Hartenstein for an expiring KD would make a ton of sense as a "chips to the center of the table move." KD would be such a perfect fit, since the Thunder's main struggle is occasional offensive inconsistency and shooting slumps.

[Pickled Prunes]

I don't think his legacy is fine. Like, I'd say he's won, had tons of individual success, made a ton of money, so why should he care what we peon fans think--only it's clear by every indication that he does very much care lol. And the reality is that his legacy is not half of what it would have been had had won an "alpha" title with "his" team as "the" guy. If he had even one, KD would possibly be thought of as a fringe-top 10 guy. As it stands he's like top 20ish guy

Everyone cares what other people think of them. It's part of the human condition. But he has two Finals MVP; he was the alpha in GSW. While he was there, I think it bugged him that a lot of fans didn't see it that way, but when he becomes a unanimous, first-ballot HOF selection, only the most bitter fans will remember today's headlines. He is one of the greats and he will be remembered as such.

If you want to amend his legacy because...
...he was the first one to see that Westbrook's stats were irrelevant and Donovan's coaching was insufficient to win at the highest level.
...the fans gave him endless crap for jumping on the GSW bandwagon.
...Draymond is an A-hole!
...he tore his Achilles.
...Covid happened and Kyrie lost his mind!
...the Suns added Beal instead of depth.

I understand, these are all thing Durant had to deal with while we watched from a distance. But all of that is irrelevant. Durant hasn't averaged less than 25/6 since his rookie season (2008) and has done so with great efficiency! His teams haven't had a losing record since his sophomore season. Since his third year, Durant has a .689 win%!!! Three teams have a record higher than that this season and KD has done it on four teams over 15 seasons. These are the things people will remember when he hangs 'em up... His legacy is set!

This is all the charitable, "best light" narrative for KD's career, which isn't typically how legacies work. If anything, the more potential a player had, the less lenient fans and historians of the game are in evaluating their legacy. There is no doubt that KD is cemented as a top 20-30ish guy. However, the negatives will always be there and probably keep him out of most top-10 conversations, which he probably could have been a part of if he played a couple things differently. The same way many point to Lebron's 4-6 Finals record and his team hopping, Wilt Chamberlain's poor Finals record, Karl Malone never winning a chip -- these things stick. The team-hopping and lack of an "alpha" title will be major asterisks on his record. KD joining Steph's 73-9 team was never going to count as a an "alpha" title while Steph was still a top guy. Had he stayed there, KD at least wouldn't have the "malcontent" label--which seems earned after this now being the 4th situation he's asking out of where there's drama.

It is what it is. The only reason I'm harping on it a bit is that KD demonstrates more than most a preoccupation with how he's perceived by the media and fans.

KD will not be remembered as a "top 20-30ish guy". It's fair for you to see it that way, but your feelings don't determine KD's legacy. He is regularly talked about as one of the greatest, (if not the greatest) scorers of all time. MVP; 1st team All-NBA six times; 2nd team All-NBA five times. 4x scoring champ (3 consecutive); ROY... his legacy is fine.

[jstudabaka]

Everyone cares what other people think of them. It's part of the human condition. But he has two Finals MVP; he was the alpha in GSW. While he was there, I think it bugged him that a lot of fans didn't see it that way, but when he becomes a unanimous, first-ballot HOF selection, only the most bitter fans will remember today's headlines. He is one of the greats and he will be remembered as such.

If you want to amend his legacy because...
...he was the first one to see that Westbrook's stats were irrelevant and Donovan's coaching was insufficient to win at the highest level.
...the fans gave him endless crap for jumping on the GSW bandwagon.
...Draymond is an A-hole!
...he tore his Achilles.
...Covid happened and Kyrie lost his mind!
...the Suns added Beal instead of depth.

I understand, these are all thing Durant had to deal with while we watched from a distance. But all of that is irrelevant. Durant hasn't averaged less than 25/6 since his rookie season (2008) and has done so with great efficiency! His teams haven't had a losing record since his sophomore season. Since his third year, Durant has a .689 win%!!! Three teams have a record higher than that this season and KD has done it on four teams over 15 seasons. These are the things people will remember when he hangs 'em up... His legacy is set!

This is all the charitable, "best light" narrative for KD's career, which isn't typically how legacies work. If anything, the more potential a player had, the less lenient fans and historians of the game are in evaluating their legacy. There is no doubt that KD is cemented as a top 20-30ish guy. However, the negatives will always be there and probably keep him out of most top-10 conversations, which he probably could have been a part of if he played a couple things differently. The same way many point to Lebron's 4-6 Finals record and his team hopping, Wilt Chamberlain's poor Finals record, Karl Malone never winning a chip -- these things stick. The team-hopping and lack of an "alpha" title will be major asterisks on his record. KD joining Steph's 73-9 team was never going to count as a an "alpha" title while Steph was still a top guy. Had he stayed there, KD at least wouldn't have the "malcontent" label--which seems earned after this now being the 4th situation he's asking out of where there's drama.

It is what it is. The only reason I'm harping on it a bit is that KD demonstrates more than most a preoccupation with how he's perceived by the media and fans.

KD will not be remembered as a "top 20-30ish guy". It's fair for you to see it that way, but your feelings don't determine KD's legacy. He is regularly talked about as one of the greatest, (if not the greatest) scorers of all time. MVP; 1st team All-NBA six times; 2nd team All-NBA five times. 4x scoring champ (3 consecutive); ROY... his legacy is fine.

Roughly where would you rank KD? I've never seen him included on a top-10 list. Most of the major lists I see, NY Times, Hoops Hype, ESPN, CBS Sport, etc. have him in the 12-17 range. A little bit better than I framed it, but I doubt he's moving up those lists. Steph Curry will easily be remember as the more impactful, more influential player of his era. My feelings don't determine KD's legacy, but to a large extent the collective perception does--which includes those things you mentioned--great scorer, many awards and accolades--but has the negative marks of bandwagon-jumping and a lack of memorable title wins. He won two with a GS team that was reviled as a cheat code in the sport. Dirk's one ring has more value in the collective perception that determines legacies. Steph winning another one without KD is another huge blow to KD's legacy. If KD wins with Brooklyn in 2021, this is a different conversation and he is on much more solid ground. But yeah, without a signature title win, KD's is lower on the mountain than he could have been. Nothing wrong with top-20ish. That's still obviously an all-time great, but a notch below some others.

[Pickled Prunes]

This is all the charitable, "best light" narrative for KD's career, which isn't typically how legacies work. If anything, the more potential a player had, the less lenient fans and historians of the game are in evaluating their legacy. There is no doubt that KD is cemented as a top 20-30ish guy. However, the negatives will always be there and probably keep him out of most top-10 conversations, which he probably could have been a part of if he played a couple things differently. The same way many point to Lebron's 4-6 Finals record and his team hopping, Wilt Chamberlain's poor Finals record, Karl Malone never winning a chip -- these things stick. The team-hopping and lack of an "alpha" title will be major asterisks on his record. KD joining Steph's 73-9 team was never going to count as a an "alpha" title while Steph was still a top guy. Had he stayed there, KD at least wouldn't have the "malcontent" label--which seems earned after this now being the 4th situation he's asking out of where there's drama.

It is what it is. The only reason I'm harping on it a bit is that KD demonstrates more than most a preoccupation with how he's perceived by the media and fans.

KD will not be remembered as a "top 20-30ish guy". It's fair for you to see it that way, but your feelings don't determine KD's legacy. He is regularly talked about as one of the greatest, (if not the greatest) scorers of all time. MVP; 1st team All-NBA six times; 2nd team All-NBA five times. 4x scoring champ (3 consecutive); ROY... his legacy is fine.

Roughly where would you rank KD? I've never seen him included on a top-10 list. Most of the major lists I see, NY Times, Hoops Hype, ESPN, CBS Sport, etc. have him 12-17 range. A little bit better than I framed it, but I doubt he's moving up those lists. Steph Curry will easily be remember as the more impactful, more influential player of his era.

I'm not in charge of determining KD's legacy either. There is a recency bias, which is why broadcasters often call KD the greatest scorer of all time. If you stop people on the street to name the greatest players in NBA history, they will get to KD before they have listed 20 players. 50 years from now, we'll see.

You mentioned Karl Malone, who I consider the greatest "power" forward in NBA history. (Don't let them lie to you, Duncan was a center.) History hasn't treated him so well.

[jstudabaka]

KD will not be remembered as a "top 20-30ish guy". It's fair for you to see it that way, but your feelings don't determine KD's legacy. He is regularly talked about as one of the greatest, (if not the greatest) scorers of all time. MVP; 1st team All-NBA six times; 2nd team All-NBA five times. 4x scoring champ (3 consecutive); ROY... his legacy is fine.

Roughly where would you rank KD? I've never seen him included on a top-10 list. Most of the major lists I see, NY Times, Hoops Hype, ESPN, CBS Sport, etc. have him 12-17 range. A little bit better than I framed it, but I doubt he's moving up those lists. Steph Curry will easily be remember as the more impactful, more influential player of his era.

I'm not in charge of determining KD's legacy either. There is a recency bias, which is why broadcasters often call KD the greatest scorer of all time. If you stop people on the street to name the greatest players in NBA history, they will get to KD before they have listed 20 players. 50 years from now, we'll see.

You mentioned Karl Malone, who I consider the greatest "power" forward in NBA history. (Don't let them lie to you, Duncan was a center.) History hasn't treated him so well.

I agree it's a misnomer to call Duncan a PF, but I'm not sure he's a true C either. I think to some extent he popularized the trend of C/PF combo guys, with players like Jermaine O'Neal, Anthony Davis, Chris Bosh, KAT, and Giannis following suit to varying extents.

Malone greatest PF? Is there an argument for Barkley? Case against Malone: (Off-court stuff aside obviously) He Had an elite PG feeding him basically his whole career. Malone definitely wins on longevity, but through 16 seasons their numbers are very similar:

https://stathead.com/tiny/YigJw