Cavs More Open To Trades For Darius Garland, Jarrett Allen Than In Past

[RealGM Wiretap]

The Cleveland Cavaliers are considering where to go with their roster for next season. After rolling through the regular season, Cleveland fell to the Indiana Pacers in the second round of the playoffs. That has the Cavs thinking differently about their roster than previous offseasons.

That includes being more open to trading Darius Garland or Jarrett Allen than in years past. Cleveland isn't looking to move either player but won't immediately shut down conversations involving Garland or Allen. The only two players who may be considered untouchable on the Cavs roster are Donovan Mitchell and Evan Mobley.

Cleveland is in a tricky spot with improving their roster, as they have aggressively re-signed and extended several players over the last few years. All four of Allen, Garland, Mitchell and Mobley have long-term deals worth north of $30 million in coming years. That spending has the Cavaliers dealing with the tax aprons and the various restrictions that come with being an apron team.

Via Chris Fedor/Wine and Gold Podcast

[WiggOuts]

Mitchell isn't good enough to get you over the hump as a primary scorer

[pushfloater]

Garland is Houdini in the playoffs!

[tidho]

Mitchell isn't good enough to get you over the hump as a primary scorer

you're correct, they're seeimingly counting on Mobley becoming the 1a, and Mitchell is good enough to be a 1b.

[WiggOuts]

Mitchell isn't good enough to get you over the hump as a primary scorer

you're correct, they're seeimingly counting on Mobley becoming the 1a, and Mitchell is good enough to be a 1b.

Which is a pretty good bet, but it doesn't seem like hes gonna get much opportunity to develop that 1A offensive game. I could see it down the rd but it will take time if all things click. Mobley needs to be the full time 5, they should look to trade Allen for a stretch 4 defensive type...They really should have went after OG

[Rebound Mound]

Mitchell isn't good enough to get you over the hump as a primary scorer

Any other thing less then MJ in his prime is then not a primary weapon, right?

[FromTheLand]

Mitchell isn't good enough to get you over the hump as a primary scorer

This is nonsense. Garland's injuries, and Allen's disappearing acts were the problem. My only gripe with Donovan was his 3 wasn't falling. Even then he attacked the basket like a mad man against Indy. Mobley is also coming.

[WiggOuts]

Mitchell isn't good enough to get you over the hump as a primary scorer

Any other thing less then MJ in his prime is then not a primary weapon, right?

Maybe in your world where u seem to beleive all the area in-between doesn't exist

[WiggOuts]

Mitchell isn't good enough to get you over the hump as a primary scorer

This is nonsense. Garland's injuries, and Allen's disappearing acts were the problem. My only gripe with Donovan was his 3 wasn't falling. Even then he attacked the basket like a mad man against Indy. Mobley is also coming.

Except its based on actual fact, he has not been able to get his teams over the hump as a primary scoring option. This was a year where they had a great opportunity to go to the finals and they fell short again. That guy needs to pick up for anything that is lacking to get to the end, thats what those guys do. Not saying he isn't a good player, just not good enough in that role

[Pickled Prunes]

Mitchell isn't good enough to get you over the hump as a primary scorer

This is nonsense. Garland's injuries, and Allen's disappearing acts were the problem. My only gripe with Donovan was his 3 wasn't falling. Even then he attacked the basket like a mad man against Indy. Mobley is also coming.

Except its based on actual fact, he has not been able to get his teams over the hump as a primary scoring option. This was a year where they had a great opportunity to go to the finals and they fell short again. That guy needs to pick up for anything that is lacking to get to the end, thats what those guys do. Not saying he isn't a good player, just not good enough in that role

Mitchell is plenty good enough to be the primary scorer on a contender. The bigger issue is his court vision and hero ball. We're seeing this in NYK with Brunson as well. USG% for Mitchell and Brunson went way up while it went way down for Mobley and KAT. AST/TO ratio went down for both players as well. Both players stopped looking for their teammates and tried to do everything themselves. Team ball kind of went out the window. During the regular season, both teams averaged around 28 APG. In the playoffs, CLE is under 23 APG and NYK is under 20 APG!

In both cases it is a coaching issue:
Mitchell can definitely lead his team in PPG, but he should not be the primary initiator of the offense. (The Garland injury necessitated some of that.)
Brunson should be the primary facilitator, but he certainly should not be taking seven more FGA's than anyone else on the roster. He needs to be pulling in that D and getting KAT, Bridges and OG some easy looks.

[histeria36]

Garland and Allen for Giannis?

[WiggOuts]

This is nonsense. Garland's injuries, and Allen's disappearing acts were the problem. My only gripe with Donovan was his 3 wasn't falling. Even then he attacked the basket like a mad man against Indy. Mobley is also coming.

Except its based on actual fact, he has not been able to get his teams over the hump as a primary scoring option. This was a year where they had a great opportunity to go to the finals and they fell short again. That guy needs to pick up for anything that is lacking to get to the end, thats what those guys do. Not saying he isn't a good player, just not good enough in that role

Mitchell is plenty good enough to be the primary scorer on a contender. The bigger issue is his court vision and hero ball. We're seeing this in NYK with Brunson as well. USG% for Mitchell and Brunson went way up while it went way down for Mobley and KAT. AST/TO ratio went down for both players as well. Both players stopped looking for their teammates and tried to do everything themselves. Team ball kind of went out the window. During the regular season, both teams averaged around 28 APG. In the playoffs, CLE is under 23 APG and NYK is under 20 APG!

In both cases it is a coaching issue:
Mitchell can definitely lead his team in PPG, but he should not be the primary initiator of the offense. (The Garland injury necessitated some of that.)
Brunson should be the primary facilitator, but he certainly should not be taking seven more FGA's than anyone else on the roster. He needs to be pulling in that D and getting KAT, Bridges and OG some easy looks.

Thats fair but it ultimately boils down to the fact that smaller guards will always have a much harder time scoring/playmaking in the POs. Their efficiency will drop inevitability when defense ramps up. Aside from Curry(who is an exception), those guys don't win chips as the lead dog

[Iwasawitness]

Mitchell isn't good enough to get you over the hump as a primary scorer

This is nonsense. Garland's injuries, and Allen's disappearing acts were the problem. My only gripe with Donovan was his 3 wasn't falling. Even then he attacked the basket like a mad man against Indy. Mobley is also coming.

Except its based on actual fact, he has not been able to get his teams over the hump as a primary scoring option. This was a year where they had a great opportunity to go to the finals and they fell short again. That guy needs to pick up for anything that is lacking to get to the end, thats what those guys do. Not saying he isn't a good player, just not good enough in that role

So we could just ignore any and all context and just conclude “Mitchell isn’t good enough”?

[Pickled Prunes]

Except its based on actual fact, he has not been able to get his teams over the hump as a primary scoring option. This was a year where they had a great opportunity to go to the finals and they fell short again. That guy needs to pick up for anything that is lacking to get to the end, thats what those guys do. Not saying he isn't a good player, just not good enough in that role

Mitchell is plenty good enough to be the primary scorer on a contender. The bigger issue is his court vision and hero ball. We're seeing this in NYK with Brunson as well. USG% for Mitchell and Brunson went way up while it went way down for Mobley and KAT. AST/TO ratio went down for both players as well. Both players stopped looking for their teammates and tried to do everything themselves. Team ball kind of went out the window. During the regular season, both teams averaged around 28 APG. In the playoffs, CLE is under 23 APG and NYK is under 20 APG!

In both cases it is a coaching issue:
Mitchell can definitely lead his team in PPG, but he should not be the primary initiator of the offense. (The Garland injury necessitated some of that.)
Brunson should be the primary facilitator, but he certainly should not be taking seven more FGA's than anyone else on the roster. He needs to be pulling in that D and getting KAT, Bridges and OG some easy looks.

Thats fair but it ultimately boils down to the fact that smaller guards will always have a much harder time scoring/playmaking in the POs. Their efficiency will drop inevitability when defense ramps up. Aside from Curry(who is an exception), those guys don't win chips as the lead dog

Well, there is a clear style of play difference between Steph and Mitchell or Brunson. Steph plays like a SG; he might be as comfortable off ball as on ball. He would rather go around people than through them. Mitchell and Brunson are both much better on ball and they both try to drive through the defense rather than around it. When your game is predicated on creating contact, things get rough when the whistle dries up. Per36, Brunson was 6th in FTA, Mitchell was 17th and Curry was 39th, and we know Steph is taking every Tech FT. Finesse over force!

[watpho71]

Except its based on actual fact, he has not been able to get his teams over the hump as a primary scoring option. This was a year where they had a great opportunity to go to the finals and they fell short again. That guy needs to pick up for anything that is lacking to get to the end, thats what those guys do. Not saying he isn't a good player, just not good enough in that role

Mitchell is plenty good enough to be the primary scorer on a contender. The bigger issue is his court vision and hero ball. We're seeing this in NYK with Brunson as well. USG% for Mitchell and Brunson went way up while it went way down for Mobley and KAT. AST/TO ratio went down for both players as well. Both players stopped looking for their teammates and tried to do everything themselves. Team ball kind of went out the window. During the regular season, both teams averaged around 28 APG. In the playoffs, CLE is under 23 APG and NYK is under 20 APG!

In both cases it is a coaching issue:
Mitchell can definitely lead his team in PPG, but he should not be the primary initiator of the offense. (The Garland injury necessitated some of that.)
Brunson should be the primary facilitator, but he certainly should not be taking seven more FGA's than anyone else on the roster. He needs to be pulling in that D and getting KAT, Bridges and OG some easy looks.

Thats fair but it ultimately boils down to the fact that smaller guards will always have a much harder time scoring/playmaking in the POs. Their efficiency will drop inevitability when defense ramps up. Aside from Curry(who is an exception), those guys don't win chips as the lead dog

Mitchell's numbers have historically ramped up in the playoffs.

[Pickled Prunes]

Mitchell is plenty good enough to be the primary scorer on a contender. The bigger issue is his court vision and hero ball. We're seeing this in NYK with Brunson as well. USG% for Mitchell and Brunson went way up while it went way down for Mobley and KAT. AST/TO ratio went down for both players as well. Both players stopped looking for their teammates and tried to do everything themselves. Team ball kind of went out the window. During the regular season, both teams averaged around 28 APG. In the playoffs, CLE is under 23 APG and NYK is under 20 APG!

In both cases it is a coaching issue:
Mitchell can definitely lead his team in PPG, but he should not be the primary initiator of the offense. (The Garland injury necessitated some of that.)
Brunson should be the primary facilitator, but he certainly should not be taking seven more FGA's than anyone else on the roster. He needs to be pulling in that D and getting KAT, Bridges and OG some easy looks.

Thats fair but it ultimately boils down to the fact that smaller guards will always have a much harder time scoring/playmaking in the POs. Their efficiency will drop inevitability when defense ramps up. Aside from Curry(who is an exception), those guys don't win chips as the lead dog

Mitchell's numbers have historically ramped up in the playoffs.

His PTS go up but his AST and efficiency stats go down.

[njknicks]

Darius Garland disappeared in the playoffs because he was shooting 28% from three & injured.

Jarrett Allen unfortunately always shrinks in the playoffs ( better suited for a bench role then starting ).

2 quality players but not players that you can count on in the playoffs -- Cavs can certainly find suitable trade partners for both.

[watpho71]

Thats fair but it ultimately boils down to the fact that smaller guards will always have a much harder time scoring/playmaking in the POs. Their efficiency will drop inevitability when defense ramps up. Aside from Curry(who is an exception), those guys don't win chips as the lead dog

Mitchell's numbers have historically ramped up in the playoffs.

His PTS go up but his AST and efficiency stats go down.

Postseason AST 4.8 (63 games), Regular season 4.7 career. FG% both are 44%, 3PT% 36% to 35% and FT% 84% to 82%.
I'm not seeing a drop off. You are correct his points increase from 24 to 28. Efficiency looks fine in the postseason. Considering defenses ramp up and tend to be much more aggressive since the refs let them play more physical, he has done quite well in his career in the post season.

[Pickled Prunes]

Mitchell's numbers have historically ramped up in the playoffs.

His PTS go up but his AST and efficiency stats go down.

Postseason AST 4.8 (63 games), Regular season 4.7 career. FG% both are 44%, 3PT% 36% to 35% and FT% 84% to 82%.
I'm not seeing a drop off. You are correct his points increase from 24 to 28. Efficiency looks fine in the postseason. Considering defenses ramp up and tend to be much more aggressive since the refs let them play more physical, he has done quite well in his career in the post season.

So, his stats go down a little, which is the opposite of ramping up. I guess the biggest issue is that he's inconsistent. In the last two games of the series he shot a combined 11-36 (30.6%) and had one (1) total assist. He does have some great games that pull those averages up, but teams seem to figure him out and he tries to force the issue rather than making the right play. Extra minutes and extra shots does not make him a playoff riser.

BTW, I actually like his game. I just think he needs to learn to take what the D gives him and make the right play. I'm not seeing that yet in CLE.

[WiggOuts]

This is nonsense. Garland's injuries, and Allen's disappearing acts were the problem. My only gripe with Donovan was his 3 wasn't falling. Even then he attacked the basket like a mad man against Indy. Mobley is also coming.

Except its based on actual fact, he has not been able to get his teams over the hump as a primary scoring option. This was a year where they had a great opportunity to go to the finals and they fell short again. That guy needs to pick up for anything that is lacking to get to the end, thats what those guys do. Not saying he isn't a good player, just not good enough in that role

So we could just ignore any and all context and just conclude “Mitchell isn’t good enough”?

Not at all, my opinion here isnt based on this season alone, its based on watching his career. Again I say, he's a good player, very good but I think in order for him to win hes gotta be a number 2, which is totally fine. There have been better players than him that have been #2s. His player profile isn't the type as history has shown