Bradley Beal, Suns Discussing Buyout

[og15]

This is so effing stupid. Beal is overpaid, but he averaged 18/4/4 on 50% shooting for the Suns. If he won't waive his no trade, make him play and earn his pay... and he'll be off your books in two years instead of five. Why prolong the pain when you aren't remotely ready to win now?

Have to take into account the 2nd apron and the additional restrictions those bring.

First apron:
Sign-and-trades are not permitted if the player acquired keeps the team above the apron.

Cannot sign players who were waived during the regular season if their salary is above the mid-level exception.

Salary matching in trades has to be within 110% instead of the 125% teams in good standing get.


Second apron:

Includes all first-apron penalties

Cannot have access to the MLE in free agency or absorbing contracts.

Cannot trade first-round picks from seven years out.

Cannot use trade exceptions from previous years.

Cannot use cash in trades.

First round pick moves straight to the end of the first round if the team stays in the second apron for three of five years.
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Teams don't want to constantly have those restrictions, teams don't want to have that 3/5 years situation, and definitely don't want to waste a 2nd apron season on a non contending roster.

Yep, I get all that... but this is talking about trying to remove handcuffs for two years and replacing them with an ankle weight for five years. This isn't Lillard with a torn Achilles; this is a player that could be giving them 20/5/5 under a new coach, a new system and a few extra shots after the KD departure. It's sheer incompetence!

If the Suns are a 2nd apron team two more times between 25-26 and 28-29, their 2032 pick is automatically 30th. They also won't really be able to trade that pick for value if they theoretically wanted to because teams would see it as a 2nd round pick.

If you want, you can add that the Suns have absolutely no guarantee that they will not be a lottery team for the 2032 draft, and imagine being a lottery team and having the 30th pick. It could be higher if there are other 3/5 years 2nd apron teams that year, but it would still be bottom of the draft.

Beal's box score slash production is nice looking, but his impact is not impressive. Keeping Beal is not worth being a multiple year 2nd Apron team. Now, of course they could move other players to get below, though their options are limited as their aren't many teams looking to just take salaries like Allen or Royce for cap space without draft capital, which the Suns wouldn't (shouldn't) do.

If Beal isn't willing to waive his NTC, then his production and impact is not worth being a 2nd apron team for multiple seasons with all the restrictions and penalties that it comes with.

They do have to gauge the impact of the stretch vs the impact of the 2nd apron. With 2nd apron they simply can't improve as it is hard to do so with no MLE, not using exceptions, can't take back more in trades, can't aggregate salaries.

On the other hand, stretching him allows them to actually construct the roster, they go below luxury tax, have MLE, no trade restrictions, but they now have the salary spread out longer, and it's not like they can be a contender right now.

The real goal is getting out of the apron, Beal is not worth the multiple apron penalties, but if there's another way to get below apron the next two seasons, it's better to just eat his salary for two more seasons. They could also wait out one more year, then waive the last year without stretch.

[Roy T]

You realize hell get his dollars regardless where hes playing, right? Im not saying he should forfeit his salary. But how can he walk into that facality knowing, that nobidy wants him there?

Maybe he has had enough of playing hard? His life wont change whereever he plays. He wont contend and he is in no position to win personal awards. He is just like a security mall guy who is paid to show up and do the minimum necessary.

[Vegeta10176]

Bradley beal should be ashamed of himself.

If you are unwanted and people tell you to f off, what makes him think "yea im happy here, im gonna stay". Does he not have a single ounce of pride or self respect in him?

He give a damn about pride and self respec for a hundred million dollars. Get real.

You realize hell get his dollars regardless where hes playing, right? Im not saying he should forfeit his salary. But how can he walk into that facality knowing, that nobidy wants him there? He could waive his NTC and play for a team that trades for him and for whatever reason wants him. Apparently there are teams dumb enough. they are discussing a buy out because that fool refuses to get traded via his NTC.

He did the same thing with the wizards, who i am not sorry for because they gave him that contract.

And the suns traded for him and knew he kept the no trade clause.. so...

[NoStatsGuy]

He give a damn about pride and self respec for a hundred million dollars. Get real.

You realize hell get his dollars regardless where hes playing, right? Im not saying he should forfeit his salary. But how can he walk into that facality knowing, that nobidy wants him there? He could waive his NTC and play for a team that trades for him and for whatever reason wants him. Apparently there are teams dumb enough. they are discussing a buy out because that fool refuses to get traded via his NTC.

He did the same thing with the wizards, who i am not sorry for because they gave him that contract.

And the suns traded for him and knew he kept the no trade clause.. so...

bradley beal is an embarrassment regardless if they traded for him or not.

[Pickled Prunes]

Have to take into account the 2nd apron and the additional restrictions those bring.

First apron:
Sign-and-trades are not permitted if the player acquired keeps the team above the apron.

Cannot sign players who were waived during the regular season if their salary is above the mid-level exception.

Salary matching in trades has to be within 110% instead of the 125% teams in good standing get.


Second apron:

Includes all first-apron penalties

Cannot have access to the MLE in free agency or absorbing contracts.

Cannot trade first-round picks from seven years out.

Cannot use trade exceptions from previous years.

Cannot use cash in trades.

First round pick moves straight to the end of the first round if the team stays in the second apron for three of five years.
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Teams don't want to constantly have those restrictions, teams don't want to have that 3/5 years situation, and definitely don't want to waste a 2nd apron season on a non contending roster.

Yep, I get all that... but this is talking about trying to remove handcuffs for two years and replacing them with an ankle weight for five years. This isn't Lillard with a torn Achilles; this is a player that could be giving them 20/5/5 under a new coach, a new system and a few extra shots after the KD departure. It's sheer incompetence!

If the Suns are a 2nd apron team two more times between 25-26 and 28-29, their 2032 pick is automatically 30th. They also won't really be able to trade that pick for value if they theoretically wanted to because teams would see it as a 2nd round pick.

If you want, you can add that the Suns have absolutely no guarantee that they will not be a lottery team for the 2032 draft, and imagine being a lottery team and having the 30th pick. It could be higher if there are other 3/5 years 2nd apron teams that year, but it would still be bottom of the draft.

Beal's box score slash production is nice looking, but his impact is not impressive. Keeping Beal is not worth being a multiple year 2nd Apron team. Now, of course they could move other players to get below, though their options are limited as their aren't many teams looking to just take salaries like Allen or Royce for cap space without draft capital, which the Suns wouldn't (shouldn't) do.

If Beal isn't willing to waive his NTC, then his production and impact is not worth being a 2nd apron team for multiple seasons with all the restrictions and penalties that it comes with.

They do have to gauge the impact of the stretch vs the impact of the 2nd apron. With 2nd apron they simply can't improve as it is hard to do so with no MLE, not using exceptions, can't take back more in trades, can't aggregate salaries.

On the other hand, stretching him allows them to actually construct the roster, they go below luxury tax, have MLE, no trade restrictions, but they now have the salary spread out longer, and it's not like they can be a contender right now.

The real goal is getting out of the apron, Beal is not worth the multiple apron penalties, but if there's another way to get below apron the next two seasons, it's better to just eat his salary for two more seasons. They could also wait out one more year, then waive the last year without stretch.

Situation matters. The Suns weren't using Beal so his production dropped, but his shooting and play making is still in there. I'm not suggesting that he's worth his contract or that keeping him ensures more wins in the next two seasons. I'm suggesting that handicapping themselves 5-years out to get off of him is moronic. They can waive and stretch him over three seasons next summer and still save themselves a year of hell... and maybe he'll ask out by then. They have a lot of time to find a way out of that apron.

[arasu]

Bradley beal should be ashamed of himself.

If you are unwanted and people tell you to f off, what makes him think "yea im happy here, im gonna stay". Does he not have a single ounce of pride or self respect in him?

Nah. He specifically signed a contract with a no-trade clause, because he has nothing BUT respect for himself. He puts his family first, which is what a real man does. The sad whiney fans are meaningless to his self-respect.

nah bro, i dont even care about the suns or anything. but that is a weak ass argument, im sorry.

you have a job, that pays you generational wealth which requires you to be available for 6-9 months depending how the team fares. in beals case hes free in april most the time. because hes a loser.

you can visit your family any time you want, you can have multiple houses for a short amount of time, that turn into investments after your career, you can facetime all day and you can just fly your family aroudn the world as much as you want. i understand its not the same as a regular 9 to 5, where you at home every evening. but its not like hes dissapearing from planet earth for 15 years.

completely mailing it in and staying in a situation where you are unwanted and a laughing stock around the league is not "putting his family first". Your nba career is a very short period of time. im not buying this family first stuff. he doesnt give a flying fluff about his nba career, that literally what it is. not a lot of self respect.

Your opinion just shows how little you respect family. For many people, family comes first. I think you're just looking at it selfishly as a sports fan. These sports ball players gotta live up to YOUR expectations for them, otherwise they have no self-respect. That makes exactly zero sense. They may not have YOUR respect, but take note that your respect is very different from theirs.

As for generational wealth, that's a myth. The amount these dudes make can be squandered in a few years, and the next generation, especially if their parents don't put in the time, will have no clue how to value money. Money also shrinks in purchasing power over the years, so unless your kids and their kids are extremely clever with their assets, they will diminish in value substantially. What buys a house today, bought 10 houses 45 years ago, and 100 houses 90 years ago. So much for those generations eh?

[NoStatsGuy]

Nah. He specifically signed a contract with a no-trade clause, because he has nothing BUT respect for himself. He puts his family first, which is what a real man does. The sad whiney fans are meaningless to his self-respect.

nah bro, i dont even care about the suns or anything. but that is a weak ass argument, im sorry.

you have a job, that pays you generational wealth which requires you to be available for 6-9 months depending how the team fares. in beals case hes free in april most the time. because hes a loser.

you can visit your family any time you want, you can have multiple houses for a short amount of time, that turn into investments after your career, you can facetime all day and you can just fly your family aroudn the world as much as you want. i understand its not the same as a regular 9 to 5, where you at home every evening. but its not like hes dissapearing from planet earth for 15 years.

completely mailing it in and staying in a situation where you are unwanted and a laughing stock around the league is not "putting his family first". Your nba career is a very short period of time. im not buying this family first stuff. he doesnt give a flying fluff about his nba career, that literally what it is. not a lot of self respect.

Your opinion just shows how little you respect family. For many people, family comes first. I think you're just looking at it selfishly as a sports fan. These sports ball players gotta live up to YOUR expectations for them, otherwise they have no self-respect. That makes exactly zero sense. They may not have YOUR respect, but take note that your respect is very different from theirs.

As for generational wealth, that's a myth. The amount these dudes make can be squandered in a few years, and the next generation, especially if their parents don't put in the time, will have no clue how to value money. Money also shrinks in purchasing power over the years, so unless your kids and their kids are extremely clever with their assets, they will diminish in value substantially. What buys a house today, bought 10 houses 45 years ago, and 100 houses 90 years ago. So much for those generations eh?

i think we gotta agree to disagree here my guy.

if you can dump hundreds of millions without being set up for generations you are just dumb and dont know how to handle money. like at all. if you cant even hire a financial consultant or get advice from someone on how not to go broke with an endless pit of money, thats on you.

regarding expectations, again i dont expect anything from beal other than not being a complete clown. i dont even wanna see him play. what pisses me off about beal is his ignorance and inability to read the room. The owners, Gm and coaches have expectations for a 50 million dollar player. not me. And they all want him gone, every single player, coach, the gm, the owner, the fans. literally hes not wanted. he wants to stay because he doesnt carer about his basketball career, his team or fans. his own team told him, "yea, you not playing for us anymore. if you dont accept a trade we gonna have to buy you out. WE PAY EXTRA SO YOU SORRY ASS LOSER CAN LEAVE US ALONE". thats how much they wanna get rid of him.

if you earn hundreds of millions of dollars you cant tell me, you cant be gone for a couple months? people do that earning minimum wage, to support their family. not beal.

the dude is a clown, has 0 selfrespect and doesnt care one bit about basketball. family first is a cop out. i can respect my family and put them first while valueing my career at the same time. most people can actually.